Exactly....AV caved to the pressure to try and stay politically correct. Tomlin was an ass during this and I commend Ben for coming forward, albeit too late.
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Exactly....AV caved to the pressure to try and stay politically correct. Tomlin was an ass during this and I commend Ben for coming forward, albeit too late.
There are folks, and lots of them that want this country divided. The backers and funders stay in the shadows, but there intent is to increase the tensions.
They know how popular the NFL is and how many viewers it has. This is not some on the fly thing.
They know how popular the NFL is and how many viewers it has. This is not some on the fly thing.
I get what the players are doing and I'm fine with it. I said that. The thread was started about the NFL being inconsistent in its enforcing their rules, not people breaking the NFL rules. Unless you're saying the NFL as an organization is protesting, then what you're arguing doesn't have any merit.
The irony/ignorance here is that a vast majority of white americans disapproved of MLK back in the day. Now they rewrite history for their own gain.
"Even the March on Washington — so revered today — wasn’t welcomed.
Just before the 1963 march, Gallup asked a nationally representative sample of adults how they felt about the coming event.
Less than a quarter of Americans said they held favorable opinions."
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That has nothing to do with anything.
The problem with BLM is that it doesn't stand up to statistical analysis vis a vis general police incompetence.
Additionally, it's not BLM or anti-Trump that some people had a problem with here, it's the act of disrespecting the flag.
The problem with BLM is that it doesn't stand up to statistical analysis vis a vis general police incompetence.
Additionally, it's not BLM or anti-Trump that some people had a problem with here, it's the act of disrespecting the flag.
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I believe that they shouldn't have to succumb to that pressure.
OTOH, pressure from your employer is something all of us non-business owners deal with on a daily basis. Wasn't that the argument; that the owners should fire players not doing what the owners want.
But the argument has been flipped again. Now the players are doing what the owners want, and people want them to do the opposite.
It's almost like everybody wants to tell everybody else what to do.
I can't keep up.
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Weak strawman argument. Literally nobody has said that they don't have a right to protest.
Yeah, because no white people were ever or are poor. We have white privilege going for us.
What you are missing in all of this and it is what got Trump elected is, the right have let this go far enough and are now returning the favor and it is not sitting well with the true snowflakes on the left.
How about having over 72% black fathers take care of their children and help them do better for themselves. Planned parenthood is doing their job very well and many on the left are blind to what is really going on here.
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Simply put, no. The only violence against blacks at a football game is the same as there are to whites.
I think the players that take a knee in protest are all pieces of shit. They can protest in other ways yet they do so in a way to disrespect our country and our flag and all those that fought and died for this country. This latest surge is just because they are mad at Trump.
This is just more of the left driving a wedge between us so they can get votes. Police brutality is not common. Racism is not common. Black people are not being held down because of old white people. They are their own worst enemy. Fatherless homes. Gangs and drugs in the inner cities. Black on black crime. Lack of education.... Many have accepted the victim role and therefore just blame others....No one can hold you back. You have more opportunity than 90% of the world. Listen to black leaders like Ben Carson and Allen West. Not the people that profit from seeing you fail.
This is just more of the left driving a wedge between us so they can get votes. Police brutality is not common. Racism is not common. Black people are not being held down because of old white people. They are their own worst enemy. Fatherless homes. Gangs and drugs in the inner cities. Black on black crime. Lack of education.... Many have accepted the victim role and therefore just blame others....No one can hold you back. You have more opportunity than 90% of the world. Listen to black leaders like Ben Carson and Allen West. Not the people that profit from seeing you fail.
It's a pendulum, man. It'll swing back and forth. Always has. There's a reason no one party has held the WH for decades on end in modern politics. In my lifetime it's been 8-12 years each way then switch. There's snowflakes on both sides. They just choose different stuff to fill their diapers over.
I can respect that. I agree the Godwin's Law "worst thing you can possibly say about someone" type stuff is counterproductive, each way. Playing Devil's Advocate, Obama was called the Antichrist, Hitler, Muslim, Kenyan, racist, n----r, and his supporters libtards, fags, queers, pussies, wet backs, etc. There's absolute trash on both sides. I think that's something we all can agree on.
From an independent's perspective, people like me are in an awkward spot. I'm as far left as one can get on social issues because I believe we're all capable of making our own decisions and don't need the church, state or church-legislated-into-the-state to tell us how to live every aspect of our lives. At the same time, I support gun rights, sensible legal immigration, limited government and state's rights (excluding civil rights, they should be equal in all 50). I don't feel represented by either party because I don't get offended by every little thing and make mountains out of molehills so the Dems don't speak for me, nor am I wealthy or religious, so GOP policy doesn't do anything for me either.
And, I'm fed up too. Probably in different ways from yours, but as always, I respect your right to express your frustrations.
On topic: Football players, knees, flag.
You really like to leave out a word or two to make your point seem extra juicy.
You're doing it now, you did it with the communist thing and you've pretty much done it thruout this thread. POTUS clearly said "the owners should release them". That's incredibly different from you acting as if the president is trying to use the government to fine them. Newsflash, the president is entitled to an opinion which probably more than half this country agrees with.
Also, the poster clearly stated that it "used to be bad to celebrate communism" and you're trying to leave a few words out and make it sound like he called you a commie.
If you have to resort to tactics like that to make an argument, then you deep down know your argument is crap. It's pathetic really.
Yes please provide something that has taken a year of federal investigations and still hasn't produced a single shred of evidence. In fact, if you get your talking points from multiple sources, you would be hearing talk of the very minimal facebook ad bugs were more geared towards creating division between the public instead of supporting a particular candidate.
So please, provide some evidence. Or just quit making crap up. Again, it's absolutely pathetic. You literally have to lie to try to convince other, and yourself of the things you want so very much to believe. But deep down, you don't even believe it.
I'm just throwing this out there... you're in your thirties, and want so hard to be considered a typical millennial. Skinny jeans type. Probably some grungy hair. Facial hair also? And your friends are just a smorgasbord of differences.
You don't have to intentionally twist things to fit your wanted millennial image. It's ok.
Questions no one in this thread has answered:
How are blacks being oppressed or "slain in the streets" at a greater rate then whites when comparing amount of police encounters and violent crime ? If you're going to argue something, tell us why the truth is incorrect.
Why is it okay for these guys to make political statements but not your doctor, boss landscaper, masseuse etc etc etc? Are you allowed to do things at your place of work that might drive away even one customer?
That's it, thats all I care about. I would be perfectly fine with anything anyone wants to do as long as I'm not paying for it. and probably everyone in here contributes money to the NFL.
How are blacks being oppressed or "slain in the streets" at a greater rate then whites when comparing amount of police encounters and violent crime ? If you're going to argue something, tell us why the truth is incorrect.
Why is it okay for these guys to make political statements but not your doctor, boss landscaper, masseuse etc etc etc? Are you allowed to do things at your place of work that might drive away even one customer?
That's it, thats all I care about. I would be perfectly fine with anything anyone wants to do as long as I'm not paying for it. and probably everyone in here contributes money to the NFL.
I think you're talking about the substance of the speech and I'm talking about the act of the expression, which are different. I'm not touching the actual message because I honestly am not sure what EVERY individual's reasons are for kneeling or sitting or locking arms or staying in the locker room are. And I don't think everyone did it this past weekend just for Kaepernick's platform.
PLENTY of athletes ARE putting money back into their communities and into programs that help youth and others. Kneeling is making y'all mad, just like other protests in our history made people mad. So, it is doing something.
Got a link to prove they are helping in poor communities? If no link, then you are lying.
Some RECEIPTS for you (you could've just googled this yourself):
KD: http://kevindurant.com/foundation
D.Wade: http://www.wadesworldfoundation.org/about-us/overview/
Lebron: http://lebronjamesfamilyfoundation.org/
Melo: http://www.thecarmeloanthonyfoundation.org/about/
Russ: http://rwwhynotfoundation.org/
Joakim Noah: https://www.noahsarcfoundation.org/mission-vision
Venus and Serena: https://theundefeated.com/features/venus-and-serena-williams-return-home-to-compton-to-give-back/
David Ortiz: http://www.davidortizchildrensfund.org/mission-3/
Larry Fitzgerald: http://www.larryfitzgerald.com/helpingpeople/firstdownfund/
Richard Sherman: https://www.richardsherman25.com/pages/foundation
Derrick Rose, always active in the community: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-derrick-rose-donation-20140923-story.html
Jamal Crawford: http://www.jamalcrawford.com/single-post/2008/10/16/Jamal-Crawford-Superstar-On-and-Off-the-Court
The man who started making y'all mad: http://kaepernick7.com/home/about/
This list could go on and on....
And without even giving a dime, they still make an impact:
And here is a great gem of an article that was written last year: http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/what-white-fans-dont-understand-about-black-athletes-w437292
I'm not saying Obama was never called those names, people talk crap all the time. However, It wasn't anywhere in the same spectrum as what Trump has had to deal with.
Obama's leftover cabinet members were leaking classified info daily, the Democrats that were so offended that Trump wouldn't basically concede before the election, still haven't conceded.
Hell, we've got college kids beating people and rioting just to keep them from speaking, all in the name of antifascism, while they supported an admin that openly spied on people, used govt agencies as attack dogs, and lied under oath, it's just stupifying to me.
Having said that, I wish all Presidents were held to this standard, there would be alot less corruption in the Govt.
I'd disagree with your " It wasn't anywhere in the same spectrum as what Trump has had to deal with" comment.
People usually don't take notice of the things with which they agree as much as those with which they disagree.
So you think Obama invented spying on people, using govt agencies as attack dogs, lying under oath...just plain lying? You don't think any of that is going on with Trump's administration?
After all that was made about Hillary using private email we find out that 6 members of Trump's team have been using private email to do official business! Of course we don't hear a lot about that because Trump has to re-ignite the NFL issue after it had simmered down next to nothing.
I hear people on the right claiming that Obama was a divider... could anyone be anymore divisive than Trump?
To each his own. I'm like Louis_Skunt they don't want to stand trade them to the Cowboys and Jerry Jones will handle the rest! I'm glad they don't depend on me to support their salaries! When Kapernack started this shit I quit watching. I had watched pro Football my whole life. I refused to watch one play last year including the Super Bowl.
I'm done. My father was a member of the Greatest Generation. Drafted out of High School. Went to the battle of the Bulge and was shot. He survived but Loved his Country. I'm glad he doesn't have to witness this lack of Respect buy these players! I'll pray for them but not holding my breath they will change.
The greatest trick Satan played was convincing the world he doesn't exist!
I'm done. My father was a member of the Greatest Generation. Drafted out of High School. Went to the battle of the Bulge and was shot. He survived but Loved his Country. I'm glad he doesn't have to witness this lack of Respect buy these players! I'll pray for them but not holding my breath they will change.
The greatest trick Satan played was convincing the world he doesn't exist!
What about the lack of respect shown to them? What about the lack of respect show to their rights?
Y'all keep focusing on something that was never the main issue. This was never about the flag.
You really think the media was as hard on Obama as they have been on Trump? Really?
Again, over 90% negative news stories on Trump, 90.
I didn't say Obama invented it, I said the media gave him a pass on it.
You know damn well the issue With Hillary wasn't that she simply used a private email, she had the damn server in her house, and wasn't keeping the emails for Govt record.
It was all about the flag, if it wasn't, Kaepernick would'nt have chosen the national anthem as his vehicle.
The players have a right to protest however they choose, they aren't going to be arrested. The NFL isn't a govt agency, it can also hold them accountable as its rules clearly state.
Did you even read the article? Its a rule, the NFL hasn't enforced it since Kaepernick.
"The language is the same as the NFL's: It uses the word "should," not the commands "shall" or "must."" This was also in the article.
This protest was about race: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/27/us/nfl-anthem-protest-race-trump-trnd/index.html
I could care less about your racial intervention. I have friends of all color. If you don't like this country leave. Don't spew your piss on my fathers grave. End of discussion!
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