The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[bigblueinsanity]

Imo the wildest discussion yet involving or forgetting the past was "why would we ever need Russia on our side to fight china?" As if Russia was not crucial to winning world wars.

The coming ear with china, if we even decide to fight, will be one we will lose unless every single militarized nation joins with us. People dont realize we, and most others, are completely cut off from resources and materials needed to wage war including food. If china cuts off mexico this country could literally starve. We have no coal nor steel. Very little industrial base to make anything even if we had resources. On and on.

I say if because through use of "spies" (an art of war term) china operated so well the last few decades im not convinced it won't be just willing subjugation. Thats if they even desire something that open. The moves they made the last decade in western developed nations should scare people and they should be more scared by the lack of reporting combined with lack of concern from leaders.

But yes.....lets get the putin boogeyman.

I didn't even touch on money. Where would we get the money for a prolonged war? We owe china so much money its literally inconceivable. Yes i know we aksually owe the fed, but thats where the fed gets the money. Our interest only payments are so high the brain cant comprehend that amount of money and it increases by the second. Worse, china is positioned by owning all the resources for this green future. All conveniently acquired just before the green movement started.

If we think we are the global power, we better think again. We're a distant 2nd and thats only because Japan doesn't have much of an army.

So yes war is coming, if we even fight, and we will need every nation we can get.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I just don’t get how some of you are pro-Putin.

Pro-Putin = paying for a war instead of forcing a resolution because you fear Putin can harm NATO

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Pot meet kettle.

In other words, you admit his premise. Agreement is good.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

The same way Ukraine is beating them….with American supplies and weapons.

And, yet, this administration clearly thought Russia would steamroll Ukraine and we did not offer support until the Ukrainians demonstrated a defense.

Despite the “Ukraine is winning” crowd, my prediction stands. This war will end in a manner of compromise that could have been achieved many deaths and many billions ago. And, the war crowd will pat their own backs and congratulate themselves.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

People are talking about the former USSR countries.

Putin cannot take Ukraine but is a threat to the former USSR countries in NATO?

That is what people think?

Correct me, because “people” cannot be seriously talking about that.

 

[JGCraw]

Imo the wildest discussion yet involving or forgetting the past was "why would we ever need Russia on our side to fight china?" As if Russia was not crucial to winning world wars.

The coming ear with china, if we even decide to fight, will be one we will lose unless every single militarized nation joins with us. People dont realize we, and most others, are completely cut off from resources and materials needed to wage war including food. If china cuts off mexico this country could literally starve. We have no coal nor steel. Very little industrial base to make anything even if we had resources. On and on.

I say if because through use of "spies" (an art of war term) china operated so well the last few decades im not convinced it won't be just willing subjugation. Thats if they even desire something that open. The moves they made the last decade in western developed nations should scare people and they should be more scared by the lack of reporting combined with lack of concern from leaders.

But yes.....lets get the putin boogeyman.

We have no coal or steel?

 

[bigblueinsanity]

We have no coal or steel?

I should've said a very reduced capacity to mine or produce either but the point was the same.

 

[JGCraw]

I should've said a very reduced capacity to mine or produce either but the point was the same.

i disagree with the point being the same.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

i disagree with the point being the same.

Im sure you do because the msm doesn't tell you this. Have any idea who buys the coal we actually mine? China and india.

Know who supplies the world nearly all its steel? China. Btw is sucks and fails all the time but thanks to our trade deals we cant sue them.

So lets say war broke out tomorrow, we'd have have to immediately hire and retool all the existing coal mines in America (that weren't closed completely), rehire and retool all these shuddered steel plants. If we somehow do that we're at least 4 months before production starts.

Then all simultaneously we have to retool all the manufacturing lines across the country, assuming they weren't just demolished and have them ready 4 months later while hoping we dont lose in the meantime.

While allllll that we have to hope china doesn't cut off or buy off mexico, because all our fruits and vegetables come from mexico.

We have no way to wage real war should it be needed. There is only one entity intent on that isnt Russia. Hint its the guy the who didn't want to name a covid strain after even though it was the next name in line

 

[hmt5000]

Putin cannot take Ukraine but is a threat to the former USSR countries in NATO?

That is what people think?

Correct me, because “people” cannot be seriously talking about that.

That is what they think and if you disagree they will call you a Putin puppet who is a traitor to this country. They literally don't care about protecting this country but will type to the last Ukrainian to prove they Love America.

 

[hmt5000]

We have no coal or steel?

Oh.. Did you miss out on the lefts war on coal and co2? We have shut down almost all our steel and aluminum production in this country. The reason we aren't sending more artillery shells to Ukraine is because we can't produce them any faster. The reason we don't send more air defense is because we can't produce it any faster. The rust belt is known as the "rust belt" for a reason.

 

[hmt5000]

Im sure you do because the msm doesn't tell you this. Have any idea who buys the coal we actually mine? China and india.

Know who supplies the world nearly all its steel? China. Btw is sucks and fails all the time but thanks to our trade deals we cant sue them.

So lets say war broke out tomorrow, we'd have have to immediately hire and retool all the existing coal mines in America (that weren't closed completely), rehire and retool all these shuddered steel plants. If we somehow do that we're at least 4 months before production starts.

Then all simultaneously we have to retool all the manufacturing lines across the country, assuming they weren't just demolished and have them ready 4 months later while hoping we dont lose in the meantime.

While allllll that we have to hope china doesn't cut off or buy off mexico, because all our fruits and vegetables come from mexico.

We have no way to wage real war should it be needed. There is only one entity intent on that isnt Russia. Hint its the guy the who didn't want to name a covid strain after even though it was the next name in line

Don't tell him where most of our microchips and medicine are produced... He'll have a hissy fit.

 

[hmt5000]

And then think about the manpower shortage in the military and what the politics of a draft would look right now. It'd be a shit show.

 

[JGCraw]

Im sure you do because the msm doesn't tell you this. Have any idea who buys the coal we actually mine? China and india.

Know who supplies the world nearly all its steel? China. Btw is sucks and fails all the time but thanks to our trade deals we cant sue them.

So lets say war broke out tomorrow, we'd have have to immediately hire and retool all the existing coal mines in America (that weren't closed completely), rehire and retool all these shuddered steel plants. If we somehow do that we're at least 4 months before production starts.

Then all simultaneously we have to retool all the manufacturing lines across the country, assuming they weren't just demolished and have them ready 4 months later while hoping we dont lose in the meantime.

While allllll that we have to hope china doesn't cut off or buy off mexico, because all our fruits and vegetables come from mexico.

We have no way to wage real war should it be needed. There is only one entity intent on that isnt Russia. Hint its the guy the who didn't want to name a covid strain after even though it was the next name in line

I actually knew both your points> it is pretty arrogant of you to think you are so much smarter than everyone else and that information hard to find. You make good points fairly often but don't just assume everyone else is ignorant.

 

[JGCraw]

Don't tell him where most of our microchips and medicine are produced... He'll have a hissy fit.

I know where those are produced as well. I promise I don't have hissy fits. I'm fairly mature. Why do you think this information is so unknown to people?