The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Russia’s Capture Of Pokrovsk Could Reshape The Conflict’s Dynamics
Beyond it are just a few lightly defended towns and then vast expanses of grassland that could become the scene of maneuver warfare until Russia reaches the next heavily defended localities further afield.
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It's propagnda 101: any opposition to the cause is working for the enemy.
Demonization and emotional manipulation.
Its always hilarious when any debate on this topic inevitably goes there. As if there is only one side playing the propaganda game.
Thats why i maintain the position none of us really have any idea whats going on over there. Sadly thats exactly what is intended. That fact its intended is what should really make people question everything. Instead many people question nothing and just choose a side because its popular.
No he wants to get a peace deal and use it as leverage, one that you're told he shouldn't do bc its putin propaganda or something to propose that.
The peace talks won't even take place with putin they'll be with intermediaries and allies of the country.
You wanted an example of such deals...look up Black Sea Grain deal
I'm not sure how you came up with that from my posts. Maybe you can show me
Ukraine is slightly smaller than Texas and Kiev is about 130 miles from the Russian border (that’s a little further than Louisville to the TN border)
Why can’t Russia take Kiev? You think the US couldn’t take something that close if they wanted to?
Putin absolutely looks weak AF and we should support that. He is a Bond-villain menace and hopefully his time on earth is short.
I just don’t get how some of you are pro-Putin.
I do think the effer might decide to use a low level nuke.
Why can’t Russia take Kiev? You think the US couldn’t take something that close if they wanted to?
Putin absolutely looks weak AF and we should support that. He is a Bond-villain menace and hopefully his time on earth is short.
I just don’t get how some of you are pro-Putin.
I do think the effer might decide to use a low level nuke.
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Taking something is one thing, holding it is another thing altogether. What has the US been able to "take & hold" since the Korean War? God knows we've had plenty of chances.
Here we go again. Putin puppets!
Just because some people like me want to pause until we get straight information doesn't mean we side with putin.
For example: if hes a bond worthy super villain - why can't he take what appears easily within his grasp? He either cant or doesn't want to. Either answer results in us no longer being involved.
Yes yes i know we gave them some equipment. But before we gave them the equipment putin had every opportunity to take kiev and either couldn't or wouldn't. So one way or the other he isnt nearly the threat we're told and we need not be involved.
Yes yes our old equipment made that much difference because even our old equipment ran circles around the russians older equipment. If thats the case, Putin and Russia are no threat at all.
Every single response in favor of our participation is circular back to Putin simultaneously being so evil and dangerous he is capable of world domination but also so incompetent and stupid and he cant defeat Ukraine.
In truth it doesn't matter how you slice it: either Putin is incompetent or has no desire to actually invade kiev. Either answer results in the same logical outcome: we should not be involved because there is no significant threat. Of course that upsets people because theyre so heavily invested in being right and their msm overlords rationalize their belief.
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Yeah, we're in control there for sure. Good lord.
Your argument of he is either totally inept or totally the worst thing ever is spurious.
He is a dictator that invaded a sovereign country on made up pretenses.
The world will be better off when Putin is dead. It’s obvious you feel otherwise.
As to the other moron, we absolutely took control of Iraq and Pakistan. We held it as long as we wanted. In our country, the people have more of a voice. We don’t have a de facto dictator. If we had one, we could have held on to Iraq as long as we really wanted.
He is a dictator that invaded a sovereign country on made up pretenses.
The world will be better off when Putin is dead. It’s obvious you feel otherwise.
As to the other moron, we absolutely took control of Iraq and Pakistan. We held it as long as we wanted. In our country, the people have more of a voice. We don’t have a de facto dictator. If we had one, we could have held on to Iraq as long as we really wanted.
I dont understand how Russia could take on Nazi Germany and win 80 years ago but can't even take over Ukraine.
They either aren't putting enough cannon fodder bodies into the breach or something.
And I get they beat the Nazis in part due to the other Allies finally launching a western 2nd front in 1944 before anyone says that. They did have like 75 to 80% of the German army against them on the eastern front.
It's not like the US and allies actually have tons of soldiers in Ukraine holding the Russians back. Supplies and weapons only go so far.
They either aren't putting enough cannon fodder bodies into the breach or something.
And I get they beat the Nazis in part due to the other Allies finally launching a western 2nd front in 1944 before anyone says that. They did have like 75 to 80% of the German army against them on the eastern front.
It's not like the US and allies actually have tons of soldiers in Ukraine holding the Russians back. Supplies and weapons only go so far.
You take is that we ever wanted to take & hold the places we took & gave up on. Trump has talked about buying Greenland. Putin is completely different on this.
It isnt spurious if you know what that word actually means.
Everything you put forth is a strawman. We shouldn't pour billions into killing a bad guy unless said bad guy can take over the world. He clearly cannot. We are not the world police.
If he cant take over Ukraine, and by most reports is actually losing, he is certainly no threat worth further enslaving generations to the hidden tax of inflation.
The irony is everything the pro Ukraine crowd spews about Putin is literally actually true about xi and china. Yet noone dares even utter a cross word in his direction or point all the progress already made towards world domination and the clear acts toward that path.
So if we're going to enslave ourselves with inflation, at least point the barrel at the true threat.
Noone and thats the problem.
The same way Ukraine is beating them….with American supplies and weapons.
Would have been good to say so to begin with & avoid these necessary posts.
Im all for tearing them down but a big part of their power comes because Congress cant balance a budget without printing money. They print money because raising taxes is too unpopular. So instead we get the hidden tax of inflation.
I bet there would be way less support for this campaign if Congress had to raise taxes to pay for it. Instead the print money and blame corporate boogeyman.
That’s actually a really good point. Off topic, I also agree with your take on bankruptcy for school loans, would cut a lot of that stuff out.
Then support for the war funding is support for theft.
You are being made poorer (than you otherwise would be), and are propagandized to be happy about it, while hundreds of thousands are dying in a war which could've easily been avoided through competent diplomacy if they actually desired peace instead of profit.
Their electronic warfare and anti aircraft systems are on par
Their ICBMs are more powerful
Their resolve is exponentially more firm IMO
I’ve already said I wish there was a way we could support Ukraine, without taxes.Then support for the war funding is support for theft.
You are being made poorer (than you otherwise would be), and are propagandized to be happy about it, while hundreds of thousands are dying in a war which could've easily been avoided through competent diplomacy if they actually desired peace instead of profit.
If Russia put enough cannon fodder into Ukraine I doubt the weapons and supplies would be enough. Just IMO.
That's the point...no one is pro putin, everyone is just calling out this absurd idea that putin is going to take over all of Europe and be puppet master of the universe. He's not going to and never was...Russia has an economy smaller than Italy and that was before the war.
The Taliban is in charge of Afghanistan and Alqaeda is still operating there after 20 years of combat. Do you really want to throw stones?
Several reasons. Stalin would've thrown every last body out there. Their death tolls show this. 2. Hitler was a dumbass. He could've avoided stalingrad and went forth with more sound objectives, but went for it out of arrogance bc it was named after Stalin. 3. Blitzkrieg was ineffective in urban street combat added with the vast size of Soviet Russia. 4. Instead of sending all soldiers to fight the war they were using an absurd amount of manpower and vital supplies to fight their personal war ---killing jews. (And yes the western front also). On and on.
The only one who believes that is you. People are talking about the former USSR countries. But keep repeating the “all of europe” strawman.
The eastern front was also their personal war. Nazi thought calls for making Russia “living space” for aryans. Connecting it to an highway system, that goes back to Germany (autobahn). And wiping out all of the slavs. Only saving a few for slave labor.
It's not a straw man. European leaders and our own politicans and war talking heads have repeated ad nauseum that Putin's ambitions extend to Poland and beyond, not just the Baltics.
For which there is no evidence and never has been. I was telling you then it was just propaganda; this war's version of "if we don't fight them there, we'll have to do it here!" And the conflation of past wars is also propaganda 101: it's a tactic to generate emotional response through parallels, real or imagined, to justify war and shape public opinion. You literally believe "you" are fighting commies.
No, if the American people bothered to understand why this war was being fought, no one would support it, never mind the damage its doing to their pocket books through inflation (nothing compared to what it does to the rest of the world, why you think millions, not just latinos, are streaming over the border now ?). You all actually believe that the media, our malfeasant leaders, and washington thinktanks are telling you the unvarnished truth.
Imo the wildest discussion yet involving or forgetting the past was "why would we ever need Russia on our side to fight china?" As if Russia was not crucial to winning world wars.
The coming ear with china, if we even decide to fight, will be one we will lose unless every single militarized nation joins with us. People dont realize we, and most others, are completely cut off from resources and materials needed to wage war including food. If china cuts off mexico this country could literally starve. We have no coal nor steel. Very little industrial base to make anything even if we had resources. On and on.
I say if because through use of "spies" (an art of war term) china operated so well the last few decades im not convinced it won't be just willing subjugation. Thats if they even desire something that open. The moves they made the last decade in western developed nations should scare people and they should be more scared by the lack of reporting combined with lack of concern from leaders.
But yes.....lets get the putin boogeyman.
