South-Central Kentucky has deeper southern accents than most of middle Tenneessee.
The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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The afghan botched pull out and this are why Russia invaded. We needed to be tough before not reactive. This is why we are here words like this.
The less integrated into a wider society people are, the more they develop & keep their own ways. I mean the people of Iceland can still read the Norse Sagas of a 1000 years ago due to an unchanged language.
But but, according to the Putin appeaseniks on here, the sankshunz is hurtin' us more!
I had to read that twice. South Carolina fans call their in state rival, “Klempson.”
Speaking of Southern accents!
Yeah, but a lot of blondes in Iceland!
They can read Norse Sagas, but have to read them two or three times to get them!
Saw this in the Wall Street Journal and thought I would post it here:
As I watching the video showing the elaborate measures the Russians were taking to prepare for an anticipated Ukrainian counter offensive, I couldn’t help but think of George C Scott in the movie “Patton”:
“Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man. If oceans and mountain ranges can be overcome, anything built by man can be overcome.”
As I watching the video showing the elaborate measures the Russians were taking to prepare for an anticipated Ukrainian counter offensive, I couldn’t help but think of George C Scott in the movie “Patton”:
“Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man. If oceans and mountain ranges can be overcome, anything built by man can be overcome.”
Prigozhin seems to be edging closer to outright revolt, now claiming the regular Russian military mined Wagner’s escape route from Bakhmut:
“Shortly before our departure, we detected suspicious activity along our exit route. [...] we called law enforcement and began to investigate our exit routes along the roads,” Prigozhin said. “We found about a dozen places where various explosive devices were placed, ranging from hundreds of anti-tank mines to tonnes of plastic explosives [...] Those who rigged those areas with explosives were representatives of the Ministry of Defense.”
“When asked why they did it, they point their fingers up,” Prigozhin said referring to pointing at the Russian leadership.
amp.cnn.com
“Shortly before our departure, we detected suspicious activity along our exit route. [...] we called law enforcement and began to investigate our exit routes along the roads,” Prigozhin said. “We found about a dozen places where various explosive devices were placed, ranging from hundreds of anti-tank mines to tonnes of plastic explosives [...] Those who rigged those areas with explosives were representatives of the Ministry of Defense.”
“When asked why they did it, they point their fingers up,” Prigozhin said referring to pointing at the Russian leadership.
June 2, 2023 - Russia-Ukraine news
Russia carried out at least 62 airstrikes and 15 missile strikes in the last 24 hours, according to the Ukrainian military, while its forces rebuffed more than a dozen ground assaults, it said.
amp.cnn.com
Jesus christ what a cluster****. Using PMCs to fight your war is one thing but internal drama between the PMCs and russian leadership on the battlefield? Can you imagine the US doing this? Good god.Prigozhin seems to be edging closer to outright revolt, now claiming the regular Russian military mined Wagner’s escape route from Bakhmut:
“Shortly before our departure, we detected suspicious activity along our exit route. [...] we called law enforcement and began to investigate our exit routes along the roads,” Prigozhin said. “We found about a dozen places where various explosive devices were placed, ranging from hundreds of anti-tank mines to tonnes of plastic explosives [...] Those who rigged those areas with explosives were representatives of the Ministry of Defense.”
“When asked why they did it, they point their fingers up,” Prigozhin said referring to pointing at the Russian leadership.
June 2, 2023 - Russia-Ukraine news
Russia carried out at least 62 airstrikes and 15 missile strikes in the last 24 hours, according to the Ukrainian military, while its forces rebuffed more than a dozen ground assaults, it said.
I’ve tried to justify how his persistent bitchin’ could help Putin or Russia, and I can’t come up with much.
Some have said he is carping on Putin’s behalf to pressure the regular military, but I would think Putin has enough capacity at the top to get that done.
Their reactions to the Storm
Shadow success, and the recent failures of their vaunted Kinzhal supersonic missiles is a good illustration of the gross inefficiency of authoritarianism, as they have a complete inability to even get their story straight.
They deny that the Storm Shadow has achieved 100 percent accuracy and play its performance down on one hand.
Ultra-Long-Range Storm Shadow Missile Wreaking Havoc with 100% Accuracy in Russia-Ukraine Conflict - The Debrief
Ukraine Says the Storm Shadow Missiles provided by Great Britain earlier this month have hit Russian targets with 100% accuracy.
thedebrief.org
But then issue dire threats that British leaders are legitimate targets, because they supplied the Storm Shadows.
British officials "legitimate" Russia targets after Storm Shadow strikes
Dmitry Medvedev was responding to remarks made by the British Foreign Secretary, who said that Ukraine "has a right" to project force beyond its borders.
www.newsweek.com
Similarly, they “laughed off” reports claiming Ukraine had successfully shot down multiple Kinzhal missiles.
But during the same news cycle, they arrested three scientists for “treason,” who had developed the Kinzhal missle.
Russia arrests 3 missile scientists on charges of treason, sparking outcry
A group of Russian scientists is calling for the release of the men, who are accused of participating in foreign conferences and writing magazine articles.
www.businessinsider.com
There are posters on this thread who say Putin is no Hitler. And, you have to admit, Hitler and the Germans were a lot better at sticking to their first lie.
Putin needs a new governmental Bureau, the GYSSASTI . . . “Get-Your-Sh!t-Straight-And-Stick-To-It.”
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Ukraine can always use more Russia cluster*****.
Perhaps he thinks he's got support in Moscow to oust Putin?
US claims Russia has lost over 100K troops in last 6 months. Who wants to be that cannon fodder? The end is near.
If by war you mean Russia's unjustified incursions into Ukraine, probably so. The fighting? Doubt it.
Why would the war speed up the timetable for NATO inclusion? I understand placing Ukraine on a path to inclusion, but if NATO would not have accepted Ukraine before the war, has anything changed for that process?
I didn’t say it sped it up. I didn’t say they wouldn’t ever have been accepted before the invasion. What I said is that they’re now a better/ultimately more likely candidate. I said that because Russia has made clear its longterm plans for further control of Europe westward.
NATO membership takes some time, or has in the recent past.
Five or ten years, ago, NATO members were reluctant to start a 3 year process thinking Russia might invade before the process was complete.
I guess most now think Russia has shot its wad, that the war will end, and that there will be a long enough period of time to both start and finish the process.
Again, why would Russia’s invasion change NATO’s perception of Ukraine as a member? This is not a question about backing Ukraine in this war. Those are two separate issues.
I cannot see why Ukraine should be preceived as a better candidate for NATO because of the war, unless battle is a criterion for admission.
Because Russia acted in the same way they did under Obama? Hope that is not a reason.
So the logic is that Russia’s ancient goal of regional control requires NATO, which has a collective security clause which has averted WW3 for over 70 years, to admit a member that happens to be the one that Russia seeks to control.
Solid strategy.
Solid strategy.
Why should anyone give a damn about Russia's ancient goals. If anything it reminds the world that Russia can't be trusted and is still interested in conquering its neighbors. What was your point again?
They can never keep their story straight.Their reactions to the Storm
Shadow success, and the recent failures of their vaunted Kinzhal supersonic missiles is a good illustration of the gross inefficiency of authoritarianism, as they have a complete inability to even get their story straight.
They deny that the Storm Shadow has achieved 100 percent accuracy and play its performance down on one hand.
Ultra-Long-Range Storm Shadow Missile Wreaking Havoc with 100% Accuracy in Russia-Ukraine Conflict - The Debrief
Ukraine Says the Storm Shadow Missiles provided by Great Britain earlier this month have hit Russian targets with 100% accuracy.
But then issue dire threats that British leaders are legitimate targets, because they supplied the Storm Shadows.
British officials "legitimate" Russia targets after Storm Shadow strikes
Dmitry Medvedev was responding to remarks made by the British Foreign Secretary, who said that Ukraine "has a right" to project force beyond its borders.
Similarly, they “laughed off” reports claiming Ukraine had successfully shot down multiple Kinzhal missiles.
But during the same news cycle, they arrested three scientists for “treason,” who had developed the Kinzhal missle.
Russia arrests 3 missile scientists on charges of treason, sparking outcry
A group of Russian scientists is calling for the release of the men, who are accused of participating in foreign conferences and writing magazine articles.www.businessinsider.com
There are posters on this thread who say Putin is no Hitler. And, you have to admit, Hitler and the Germans were a lot better at sticking to their first lie.
Putin needs a new governmental Bureau, the GYSSASTI . . . “Get-Your-Sh!t-Straight-And-Stick-To-It.”
Propaganda is lying, and as it happens, this is just something that Russians are very familiar with and have cultivated for centuries as an art form under the name vranyo. (not all Russians)
The late, Russian-American professor of history, Vadim Medish, who for 30 years taught Russian history and literature at American University in Washington DC, studied “vranyo” and how the Russians themselves look upon it and practice their gross brand of lying. So his take on Russian lying was: “We lie out of necessity. We lie when it’s convenient. And we lie just to keep in shape.”
Well, friendo, the point is pretty damn simple: it’s dumb as hell to invite cataclysm over something that’s been going on for centuries.
Russia has been conquering its’ neighbors since the 1600’s. It has never…once…impacted Western life.
All I’m asking is quite simply: why is this different?
This requires separating fact from emotion. Not easily done in this thread.
I think Cuba, Berlin and one-third of modern Germany would disagree.
While we referred to “East Germany,” and “Eastern Europe,” during the 45 year occupation of it, all of Germany is considered “Western,” as were other portions of Europe occupied by Russia (half of Austria until 1955).
And don’t forget Sweden!!
“The Northern and Western Europe region includes economies from Northern Europe (Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, and the United Kingdom), and Western Europe (Austria, France, Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland).”
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That old imperialistic world needs to finish dying. Russia, the mighty paper tiger, needs to end it in particular. The world has moved on.
Claiming some sort of cataclysm is classic you. You need to get over that. We aren't and won't attack Russia. They can either decide to become a decent member of the world or face forced isolation, economic disaster and assistance against them when they start trying to conquer countries like it was 1700.
Enough is enough. They'll soon find themselves with NATO all over their border. How things evolve is entirely up to them. One thing is certain, so long as the international community has way to effectively supply a country so it can defend itself, that is what will happen.
Screw Russia.
And China.
And the horses they rode in on.
And the little dog running behind them!!
It’s interesting to see that the line drawn in this thread as to the war appears also drawn for Ukraine’s acceptance into NATO. I understand a pathway to NATO for Ukraine, but prior to Russia’s invasion, that pathway was not imminent. There were presumably reasons for that timetable that made sense to NATO. I suspect it had something to do with the lack of stability and corruption in Ukraine. The claim that Russia’s anticipated invasion should speed up that process seems naive to me, if that is what is being discussed. This is not Sweden or Finland. The war bringing those countries to NATO makes perfect sense. Seems you can want Ukraine to kick Russia’s arse without wanting the NATO admission to change in any manner.
I will add that if NATO admission for Ukraine would incentivize a negotiated resolution to the war, I would understand NATO shorting the admission process’s timetable. That seems like a reasonable NATO objective. That would likely mean that Ukraine sacrifices some of its eastern border, as I think that is the only way Russia otherwise withdraws.
But, if Ukraine is on the verge of defeating Russia, as some posts here seem to suggest, I doubt Ukraine sees the value in such compromise.
But, if Ukraine is on the verge of defeating Russia, as some posts here seem to suggest, I doubt Ukraine sees the value in such compromise.
A lot of hope here, and little to no admission of how history has always worked, especially in that region. It would be great if Russia, and China, would lay down and play by our rules.
