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The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

What a loser you are, vilifying the US and coddling Russia when there are no similarities in the actions except in your vacuous mind.
I'm not coddling anyone, guy. And your use of the world "coddling" tells me everything I need to know. You think we're in charge of everything,don't you? Other nations are not your children. In a world of nukes, we're not the Big Dog, you understand me?

People with your arrogant mentality caused Paris in 1870, Germany in 1945, etc, etc. I pray it doesn't result in the Day After. 😪
 
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- No idea why anyone thinks Putin would stop with "part of the East".
- a cease fire is meaningless. Russia wouldn't stop.
- My dog in the fight is that if Russia succeeds, imo the rest of the world gets riskier for more war.
- Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not hearing the people who have children in the fight already, U & R, calling for a stop.
All speculation ^^

It’s crazy how some people prefer to finance another’s war and see other people die without contemplating the possibility of a resolution. People who will never fight the war, want it to continue.
 
Perhaps this thread should be renamed the chickenhawk thread but in this situation, the pro war crowd are not necessarily chickenhawks. A nuclear Armageddon puts us all at risk. So I can't really call the warhawks here chickenhawks as such, but I still fail to understand why they don't get off their fat asses and personally fight the Russians. The Ukraine needs their help.
 
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I'm not coddling anyone, guy. And your use of the world "coddling" tells me everything I need to know. You think we're in charge of everything,don't you? Other nations are not your children. In a world of nukes, we're not the Big Dog, you understand me?

People with your arrogant mentality caused Paris in 1870, Germany in 1945, etc, etc. I pray it doesn't result in the Day After. 😪
Germany in 1945? Please enlighten me. As for other countries being my children, what exactly are you babbling about? We have all the nukes necessary, you understand that, right? Having more than that doesn't change anything.

For the foreseeable future, yes, we are the Big Dog. Im sorry if our power and wealth upsets you, I really am.
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All speculation ^^

It’s crazy how some people prefer to finance another’s war and see other people die without contemplating the possibility of a resolution. People who will never fight the war, want it to continue.
I'd love a resolution but Russia has already violated the terms of multiple agreements. What makes you think they wouldn't do so again?
 
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Germany in 1945? Please enlighten me. As for other countries being my children, what exactly are you babbling about? We have all the nukes necessary, you understand that, right? Having more than that doesn't change anything.

For the foreseeable future, yes, we are the Big Dog. Im sorry if our power and wealth upsets you, I really am.
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The other guys also have nukes now, Big Dog. An nuclear armed world is a polite world, unless, God forbid, you become in charge..
 
Germany in 1945? Please enlighten me. As for other countries being my children, what exactly are you babbling about? We have all the nukes necessary, you understand that, right? Having more than that doesn't change anything.

For the foreseeable future, yes, we are the Big Dog. Im sorry if our power and wealth upsets you, I really am.
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Germany in 1945 is quite simple. Arrogant assholes in Germany in 1933 and before led Germany to obliteration in 1945. Same with Japan. I'm surprised that you questioned Germany 1945 and not France 1970. Same thing, anyway.

Enjoy life, and quit being so aggressive.
 
Perhaps this thread should be renamed the chickenhawk thread but in this situation, the pro war crowd are not necessarily chickenhawks. A nuclear Armageddon puts us all at risk. So I can't really call the warhawks here chickenhawks as such, but I still fail to understand why they don't get off their fat asses and personally fight the Russians. The Ukraine needs their help.
Lazy attempts at discrediting. A sort of reverse virtue signaling. Is that the best you can do?
 
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Germany in 1945 is quite simple. Arrogant assholes in Germany in 1933 and before led Germany to obliteration in 1945. Same with Japan. I'm surprised that you questioned Germany 1945 and not France 1970. Same thing, anyway.

Enjoy life, and quit being so aggressive.
Um, Russia is the aggressor.
 
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Um, Russia is the aggressor.
Not to me, though. Putin didn't tell me to "stay home and stay safe". Putin didn't lock me down and cost me thousand of dollars in income. Putin didn't make me a wear a mask. Putin didn't make me take a vaccine to travel. Whatever he did in Russia was relatively benign compared to what happened here, but, whatever happened there is not my problem. Putin has never done a thing to me. Putin is not an American problem. You actually do know what the American problem is, specifically, the Left, yet align yourself with the Left to fight the Putin boogieman. Who has never done anything to you, either. You need to a hobby, or to go fight him yourself, if you feel so strongly, and, I realize that you have said that you are not personally physically able, which means that you should go do it another manner, perhaps through intelligence work, but fighting him on message boards is laughable. You can do better, if you really wanted to
 
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Not to me, though. Putin didn't tell me to "stay home and stay safe". Putin didn't lock me down and cost me thousand of dollars in income. Putin didn't make me a wear a mask. Putin didn't make me take a vaccine to travel. Whatever he did in Russia was relatively benign compared to what happened here, but, whatever happened there is not my problem. Putin has never done a thing to me. Putin is not an American problem. You actually do know what the American problem is, specifically, the Left, yet align yourself with the Left to fight the Putin boogieman. Who has never done anything to you, either. You need to a hobby, or to go fight him yourself, if you feel so strongly, and, I realize that you have said that you are not personally physically able, which means that you should go do it another manner, perhaps through intelligence work, but fighting him on message boards is laughable. You can do better, if you really wanted to
What are you babbling about now? Those issues have nothing to do with one another. Back to your ridiculous analogy, Germany and Japan were the arrogant aggressors. Now it is Russia. Why you try to blend in covid is beyond me. It has nothing to do with any of this conversation.

You need to work on your deflections. That was a sad attempt. Once again, I dont need to directly be involved in order to support Ukraine any more than I need to be directly involved to support our military or police. Perhaps you can explain how you don't support them.
 
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What are you babbling about now? Those issues have nothing to do with one another. Back to your ridiculous analogy, Germany and Japan were the arrogant aggressors. Now it is Russia. Why you try to blend in covid is beyond me. It has nothing to do with any of this conversation.

You need to work on your deflections. That was a sad attempt. Once again, I dont need to directly be involved in order to support Ukraine any more than I need to be directly involved to support our military or police. Perhaps you can explain how you don't support them.
On what planet should I support the Ukraine? I owe you no explanation for my lack of support, and will not provide one. I do support the military and the police with my taxes. I don't give a damn about the Ukraine, but, courtesy of your new-found political party, I guess one could say I support the Uraine as well- with my tax dollars. Involuntary. I wouldn't give them a dime if left to me.
 
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There are a lot of posters on this thread, including myself, who are not minding their manners, as the OP insisted would happen. Still, although both sides are being impolite on occasion, I can objectively note that the warhawks are being far more obnoxious than are those who oppose .
And it actually makes sense. that warhawks will be aggressive on this thread. Obviously, warhawks will be as belligerent on this thread as they are in person.
 
Perhaps this thread should be renamed the chickenhawk thread but in this situation, the pro war crowd are not necessarily chickenhawks. A nuclear Armageddon puts us all at risk. So I can't really call the warhawks here chickenhawks as such, but I still fail to understand why they don't get off their fat asses and personally fight the Russians. The Ukraine needs their help.
The flip side of that argument is why don't all you Putin water carriers surrender? Wave white flags and fly to Russia and give yourselves up. You can take Brittney Griner's cell as it's empty at the moment.
 
There are a lot of posters on this thread, including myself, who are not minding their manners, as the OP insisted would happen. Still, although both sides are being impolite on occasion, I can objectively note that the warhawks are being far more obnoxious than are those who oppose .
And it actually makes sense. that warhawks will be aggressive on this thread. Obviously, warhawks will be as belligerent on this thread as they are in person.
Hmmmm.

I think I have resorted to my 4 year old’s “poopy-diaper-head” putdown only once.

And as to minding our manners, how come the political thread wasn’t shut down years, ago.

There is nothing in this thread, nor in the original Ukraine thread, as shrill, obnoxious or vile as year’s worth of such tripe on the political thread. Hell, the Covid thread went waaaay off the damn rails, too, but was never shut down.

I just didn’t see a need in killing the old thread, and am thick-enough-skinned to withstand being inaccurately called a “war hawk,” or such by - - - -“Poopy-Diaper-Heads.”
 
Indeed. Such threats by the Russians are unacceptable.
China has a written obligation to come to the aid of Ukraine, should anyone use Nuclear weapons against Ukraine.


From the link:

“Beijing appeared to be promising more than it had in past commitments, and why it singled out Ukraine for such an arrangement has confounded nuclear experts ever since.”

Now that China and India have openly condemned the possibility of such a move by Russia, that which was already extremely unlikely becomes an even more remote possibility. . . a Russian use of a nuclear device would require a very muscular response by China, only implicitly nuclear in kind, but certainly of a strong military nature.

Hence, Putin’s box of options grow far more limited. Any nuclear saber-rattling will draw further ire from his only effective ally, China, and be laughably hollow and counter-productive.

Frankly, that Saber rattling was already laughably hollow, though taken seriously by the muddle-headed of both extreme right and left. (See some responses in this thread.)

China’s strong stand effectively places Russia “in check” in Ukraine: it is still a war they can lose, but is now extremely unlikely to be a war they can win, as their ultimate bluff has been called, not by the US, nor by the UK, nor by NATO, but by their putative ally.
 
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It’s crazy how some people prefer to finance another’s war and see other people die without contemplating the possibility of a resolution. People who will never fight the war, want it to continue.
Bizarre take: no one short of Russian TV commentators and Vlad Putin have shown a desire this war continue.

Your position is not one of peace, but of one suggesting an illegally invaded and victimized country should be starved of a means of defense in order that a a more rapid “Peace-By-Conquest” by an aggressor be allowed.

That position is the moral equivalence of the “condemnation” of the violence of forcible rape, accompanied by the suggestion that the violence would be minimized if women not be allowed to carry a weapon to defend themselves.

Yes, there would likely be fewer injuries, deaths and property destruction if victims of crime surrendered without a fight. Small and poor countries would suffer less damage if they stood and watched their lands taken, women raped, and relatively small numbers of their inhabitants killed, without putting up resistance.

Fortunately, human-kind is not so cowardly as to tolerate such lawlessness, and civilized society is not so base, and morally deaf as to ignore the screams of innocent victims, whether such a victim be an individual in distress or an entire society being stomped upon by the hobnailed boots of a more powerful neighbor.

Our moral forbearer once walked the Road to Damascus . . . .

Our national forefathers defeated an Empire . . . .
 
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All speculation ^^

It’s crazy how some people prefer to finance another’s war and see other people die without contemplating the possibility of a resolution. People who will never fight the war, want it to continue.
It takes a special kind of stupidity to think anyone wants a war to continue. I’ll ask, if the US was attacked and occupied, under what circumstances would you want fighting to end?
Because I’ve asked this question many times to people like yourself I’m sure your response will be something akin to; “They would never attack us…” which means you don’t want to give an honest answer.
Let me spell it out for you. I want the war to have ended yesterday but if I were Ukrainian I’d fight to the last man to expel any foreign invaders and therefore expect and understand the Ukrainian people and their demands. When Russia leaves the war will be over and not one day earlier.
 
Why do you flower boys keep going to the extreme? There is one simple goal in this war, push Russia completely out of Ukraine.

You keep asking the same questions over and over. Yes, there will be war crimes trials because Putin has brutalized the population of a sovereign state. Yes, Russia will have to pay reparations. Yes, Ukraine can sue for frozen Russian assets wherever they are to pay back its allies for help during the war.
Do you expect Putin to show up for his trial?
 
Hmmmm.

I think I have resorted to my 4 year old’s “poopy-diaper-head” putdown only once.

And as to minding our manners, how come the political thread wasn’t shut down years, ago.

There is nothing in this thread, nor in the original Ukraine thread, as shrill, obnoxious or vile as year’s worth of such tripe on the political thread. Hell, the Covid thread went waaaay off the damn rails, too, but was never shut down.

I just didn’t see a need in killing the old thread, and am thick-enough-skinned to withstand being inaccurately called a “war hawk,” or such by - - - -“Poopy-Diaper-Heads.”
But, then, you are not a moderator (I would make you one, but I have zero power over such things). So, if a discussion (debate) is to continue, civility appears to be required. That said, “poopy-diaper heads” is extreme low end of offensive, while doubtful a compliment. But, I would need to see it in context to be sure.
 
China has a written obligation to come to the aid of Ukraine, should anyone use Nuclear weapons against Ukraine.


From the link:

“Beijing appeared to be promising more than it had in past commitments, and why it singled out Ukraine for such an arrangement has confounded nuclear experts ever since.”

Now that China and India have openly condemned the possibility of such a move by Russia, that which was already extremely unlikely becomes an even more remote possibility. . . a Russian use of a nuclear device would require a very muscular response by China, only implicitly nuclear in kind, but certainly of a strong military nature.

Hence, Putin’s box of options grow far more limited. Any nuclear saber-rattling will draw further ire from his only effective ally, China, and be laughably hollow and counter-productive.

Frankly, that Saber rattling was already laughably hollow, though taken seriously by the muddle-headed of both extreme right and left. (See some responses in this thread.)

China’s strong stand effectively places Russia “in check” in Ukraine: it is still a war they can lose, but is now extremely unlikely to be a war they can win, as their ultimate bluff has been called, not by the US, nor by the UK, nor by NATO, but by their putative ally.
I don’t know if fear over nukes is “muddle-headed,” but I liked this post.
 
Bizarre take: no one short of Russian TV commentators and Vlad Putin have shown a desire this war continue.

Your position is not one of peace, but of one suggesting an illegally invaded and victimized country should be starved of a means of defense in order that a a more rapid “Peace-By-Conquest” by an aggressor be allowed.

That position is the moral equivalence of the “condemnation” of the violence of forcible rape, accompanied by the suggestion that the violence would be minimized if women not be allowed to carry a weapon to defend themselves.

Yes, there would likely be fewer injuries, deaths and property destruction if victims of crime surrendered without a fight. Small and poor countries would suffer less damage if they stood and watched their lands taken, women raped, and relatively small numbers of their inhabitants killed, without putting up resistance.

Fortunately, human-kind is not so cowardly as to tolerate such lawlessness, and civilized society is not so base, and morally deaf as to ignore the screams of innocent victims, whether such a victim be an individual in distress or an entire society being stomped by the hobnailed boots of a more powerful neighbor.

Our moral forbearer once walked the Road to Damascus . . . .

Our national forefathers defeated an Empire . . . .
Hack, the hyperbole is strong in you. If a party in litigation refuses mediation, that party wants a trial. If a position about the war refuses the same, they want a war to the very end. Accepting that there may be a resolution outside of continued war is not a refutation of the illegality of one sovereign invading another. Those two thoughts are independent. I think it morally perilous to only accept a warring end to this battle as the solution. A denial of the possibility of compromise is a commitment to more senseless death and destruction.
 
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It takes a special kind of stupidity to think anyone wants a war to continue. I’ll ask, if the US was attacked and occupied, under what circumstances would you want fighting to end?
Because I’ve asked this question many times to people like yourself I’m sure your response will be something akin to; “They would never attack us…” which means you don’t want to give an honest answer.
Let me spell it out for you. I want the war to have ended yesterday but if I were Ukrainian I’d fight to the last man to expel any foreign invaders and therefore expect and understand the Ukrainian people and their demands. When Russia leaves the war will be over and not one day earlier.
Thanks for calling me special. That highbrow response is unique here. If your sons and daughters were being slaughtered, you may want the war to end. Just saying. But, obviously not everyone feels that way. Nevertheless, history shows that at some point people who cheer on war want war to stop. Especially those who question whether the war truly includes them.

It boggles my brain that there have been a lot of wars between nations over the years that the US essentially evaded, but not this one. I get the perceived threat to NATO, but we did not evidently perceive that threat under the Obama administration. Go figure.
 
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It takes a special kind of stupidity to think anyone wants a war to continue. I’ll ask, if the US was attacked and occupied, under what circumstances would you want fighting to end?
Because I’ve asked this question many times to people like yourself I’m sure your response will be something akin to; “They would never attack us…” which means you don’t want to give an honest answer.
Let me spell it out for you. I want the war to have ended yesterday but if I were Ukrainian I’d fight to the last man to expel any foreign invaders and therefore expect and understand the Ukrainian people and their demands. When Russia leaves the war will be over and not one day earlier.


Everyone on this board knows you as the poster who made a bet with Brady and refused to pay.

So forgive those of us who take issue with the United States taking on debts to fund the corrupt Ukrainian government as we assume the US will honor its obligations which is a foreign concept to you.
 
There are some who, for varying reasons, would appease Red China. They are blind to history's clear lesson, for history teaches with unmistakable emphasis that appeasement but begets new and bloodier war. It points to no single instance where this end has justified that means, where appeasement has led to more than a sham peace. Like blackmail, it lays the basis for new and successively greater demands until, as in blackmail, violence becomes the only other alternative.

- Douglas MacArthur
 
Any peace with Putin in Ukraine is a sham peace that will lead to more war, not less. It will embolden China's ambitions on Taiwan, and as the Russia/China axis grows in power so will its ambitions on their neighbors' borders. Russia and China are both in the same boat and are willing jointly to help the other's military ambitions to expand their territories into what they consider historical homelands.

We must stop Putin in Ukraine now or it will be one of the greatest military blunders in history.
 
Any peace with Putin in Ukraine is a sham peace that will lead to more war, not less. It will embolden China's ambitions on Taiwan, and as the Russia/China axis grows in power so will its ambitions on their neighbors' borders. Russia and China are both in the same boat and are willing jointly to help the other's military ambitions to expand their territories into what they consider historical homelands.

We must stop Putin in Ukraine now or it will be one of the greatest military blunders in history.
Suit up soldier, the Ukrainians need you. Good luck.
 
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