You were doing okay until you said nobody could have done better. We’ve had coaches here who have been in similar situations do better.
What's your biggest concern with Pope moving forward?
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My biggest concern is he will struggle dealing with the brain dead IDIOT faction of our fan base.
No we haven't. In point of fact he broke Rupps record for top 10 wins in a season so you are wrong.
Mark Pope's biggest strength might also be his biggest weakness
Mark Pope, the head coach of the Kentucky Wildcats, is renowned for his deep appreciation of analytics in basketball. During his tenure at BYU, he emphasized th
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Mark Pope's biggest strength might also be his biggest weakness
Mark Pope, the head coach of the Kentucky Wildcats, is renowned for his deep appreciation of analytics in basketball. During his tenure at BYU, he emphasized th
No I don't agree with this.
We lost moreso because we are hammered with injuries. Has nothing to do with using or not using analtyics lol
Bruce also gets up in their grill and does it in such a way that they WANT to give 100%.
I'm shocked that something wasn't broken. Couldn't believe he got up that quick, he had to be loaded with adrenaline.
Defense and can he get the guys we really need from the portal and high school each year. A good balance.
I’m not buying the “too nice” thing- Scott Drew, Tony Bennett, Jay Wright … plenty of guys with rings who don’t behave like Dan Hurley.
My concerns:
1. Not sure he can recruit at the level necessary to win championships.
2. He doesn’t have any tournament success to speak of.
3. His style is heavily reliant upon outside shooting, but when the shots don’t fall - does he have the defense (or defensive players) to make up for that?
4. He’s quite proud of his religious beliefs. But Mormons and Christians are not the same thing. And secular people laugh at Mormons. I think there’s a potential to lose recruits from both Christian backgrounds and secular ones on account of the Mormon beliefs. Obviously, there’s nothing he can do about that.
1. Not sure he can recruit at the level necessary to win championships.
2. He doesn’t have any tournament success to speak of.
3. His style is heavily reliant upon outside shooting, but when the shots don’t fall - does he have the defense (or defensive players) to make up for that?
4. He’s quite proud of his religious beliefs. But Mormons and Christians are not the same thing. And secular people laugh at Mormons. I think there’s a potential to lose recruits from both Christian backgrounds and secular ones on account of the Mormon beliefs. Obviously, there’s nothing he can do about that.
Fourth and fifth year seniors are not going to be improved by the toughness of the coach. It takes some time to learn which players need coddling and which need a kick in the ass. This season is what it is. JR is the only one thriving a bit under CMP and that may be because he he played for coach at BYU
The fan base is starved for success and many are just flat unrealistic perhaps fueled a bit by early wins over Duke and Gonzaga
Calipari is gone and the season is already a smashing success.
Don't you just love the hubris of some of the clowns on here saying things like "I'll give him x years blah, blah, blah"
Didn’t prove his point at all bud. Lunatic fringe has nothing to do with losing to your former coach when he brings one of his worst teams of his career into your arena and beats you. It’s just coping from people who won’t admit Kentucky has issues and got their ass beat.
It’s far too early to make any real judgments on Mark Pope but the one thing I have some concern with is Mark might just be too nice. While I appreciate his calm, even approach to the game, sometimes you need to chew some a**. Yet to see if coach can do that. Team plays very soft and part of me thinks that’s a reflection of coaching.
That said, I’m very glad to have Mark Pope as our coach and I think he’s going to do a good job here given the opportunity. He could be less nice at times though
That said, I’m very glad to have Mark Pope as our coach and I think he’s going to do a good job here given the opportunity. He could be less nice at times though
I agree.
Just like you can win basketball games and titles by playing various styles, I don't think being an asshole is a requirement for winning games or not.
I think there's this notion that if you are hard on the refs, they will start calling things in your favor. Yet we've seen 15 years of Cal complaining to the refs only for that to have no effect (maybe even a negative one).
Notion that players will play harder if you yell at them. But I don't necessarily buy that either.
I've seen from time to time here people talk about this team and effort and I think some feel if Pope was harder on them, they would give more effort more of the time. And maybe they are right with a few people. But on a team level I'm not exactly sure it makes that much of a difference. I think you can be nice and still get your guys to play hard and fight.
We didn't have an effort issue over the weekend. I'd argue to say we didn't even have an intensity issue. We came out on fire shooting the ball. We matched their hot start. We lost because we don't defend. Anyone.
Biggest concern to me is his history in the tournament. It scares me honestly. I’m hoping that his time at UK allows him to pad that resume with quite a few banners.
Second concern is can he recruit at a level needed to assemble a top 10 team every year. This is both incoming freshman and through the portal.
Second concern is can he recruit at a level needed to assemble a top 10 team every year. This is both incoming freshman and through the portal.
I feel like with better teams at UK, this is going to take care of itself.
Yeah he lost twice as a 6 seed vs 11 in the first round. But 6/11 upsets happen all the time.
If he has success here, he will have better seeds in the tournament, better teams and more likely to make runs.
Neither of those BYU teams were serious threats to make runs anyways. They would have been underdogs in round 2 and likely exited there anyways.
Yes, but in 9 years, those 2 appearances are it. I believe in him and hope that his time here is as successful as any coach we’ve had, but his lack of experience and success in March concerns me.
If everyone played with the intensity that Oweh plays with we would be much better. The rebounding would improve, 50/50 balls would improve and our physicalness would improve. Imagine the difference that would make.
Tho to be fair half that time was at Utah Valley.
I feel like every coach has to start somewhere. We tried to go the established route of proven guys like Hurley, Drew etc. But this can work too. I feel like just because one hasn't had that success yet doesn't necessarily mean they can't in the future. Barring a complete mess with all these injuries we've got going on right now, a healthy UK team I would bet on at least winning a few NCAA tournament games this season.
Ralphdaltonfan@. I and suspect many others that either played, Coach or refereed basketball enjoy your posts . So keep writing no matter how long the post.
Ralph is correct. Typically coaches are:
1) system oriented and they recruit players that fit their system. Even if they don’t have the players they tend to stick to their favorite system. Usually they are very successful when they have the resources to get the exact players they need and after that they will be good but not elite. They don’t make many adjustments regardless who they are playing. They have the philosophy, our system is the best and will make the other team adjust to us. Jim Boeheim , John Calipari were like this .
2) roaster oriented, meaning they would play whatever system fits better the players they are coaching. Typically, they go for smaller programs and work with what they have.
3) elite coaches that have multiple systems run at perfection just like category one and have the flexibility and knowledge to adjust based on the current players abilities and opponent they are playing. Rupp, K .
4) no clue what they are doing….
Feel like the majority fall into 1.
It amazes me when you look at team pages on Kenpom. The players change, but the numbers in different areas stay consistent. It's crazy just how much in terms of style things never change.
Some coaches love to force turnovers on defense, some play it safe.
Some coaches go all out trying to secure offensive rebounds, some just get back on defense.
Some coaches want their teams to shoot a ton of threes, some are totally against that.
On and on and on. And these coaches tend to stick with what got them there. They rarely change.
He is minus two point guards. DJ is a very good defensive player and Jax is not great at ball handling. It is hard to start your offense when your point guard has to turn his back to protect the ball. We ended up having Amari more or less run the point. Also, Lamont would have put the clamps on DJ on the other end as well. The other factor that kids do not want to be coached hard anymore, they will just leave. Look at all the high profile coaches that have left the business because with the transfer portal, kids will just leave. Lastly, Mark Pope is very smart and cares. I am positive that he breaks everything down and will figure it out. Park of the problem with Cal was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I hope we get Lamont back and a healthy Carr and see what we can do. Right now we are in a gun fight with not all the bullets in the chamber.
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