The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[vhcat70]

150K+ Russians dead per The US Sun. Yikes!

".. the Russian tyrant’s invasion has turned into a military failure of incredible scale, with poorly trained and equipped soldiers being sent to their deaths by incompetent leaders.

As well as soldiers, the Russians have lost vast quantities of weapons, including 3397 tanks, 6658 armoured vehicles, 2398 artillery guns, 300 warplanes and 18 ships.

Mad Vlad's troops have been making repeated attempts to take the town of Vuhledar, where an elite marine brigades has already been wiped out."

Russian death toll hits 150k as Putin’s troops slaughtered in Ukraine

THE Russian death toll in the Ukraine war has now passed the 150,000 mark, according to figures from Kyiv’s defence ministry. The grim milestone was reached as footage showed Vladimir Putin’s force…

www.the-sun.com

 

[vhcat70]

I feel there is a lack of creativity, but rather full on stubbornness from both sides while people die and war is furthered. If Russia took part of the East and then the remaining Ukraine was given a clear path to NATO membership, could the concerns for the future be assuaged? Why is the possibility of a cease fire and resolution denied by so many who don’t have a dog truly in the fight? If your sons and daughters were on the front line, would it be different? Sitting on the other side of the world claiming that the only resolution is what you desire rings hollow, IMO.

- No idea why anyone thinks Putin would stop with "part of the East".
- a cease fire is meaningless. Russia wouldn't stop.
- My dog in the fight is that if Russia succeeds, imo the rest of the world gets riskier for more war.
- Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not hearing the people who have children in the fight already, U & R, calling for a stop.

 

[Spica Orbit]

The US Sun150K+ Russians dead per The US Sun. Yikes!

The US Sun? Yeah, that's where I go for all of my hard hitting news coverage.

The US Sun

 

[LOL_Man]

If Ukraine takes Crimea I'm going to pop the top on a cold one and drink to those magnificent fighting sons a b^*&%. I like to think about how proud Patton would have been the way those guys fight. Walk over, pick up a landmine while smoking a cigarette, toss the landmine off the road, then drive on down the road and kick some more ass.

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

Everyone seems to be missing the obvious.

Ukraine needs to go trans. This will help fight climate change. We can also be doing more at home other than giving $100B to this. We could all be posting our pronouns and Ukraine flags in our social media bios.if enough Ukraine flags are posted on social media, Russia will lose this fight.

 

[LOL_Man]

The Putin nut danglers need to find themselves a new toy. With Trump taking the gas and now Putin on life support, they're running out of fan boy posters to lick.

Xi is available and you can get a head start on Taiwan bashing.

 

[vhcat70]

The US Sun? Yeah, that's where I go for all of my hard hitting news coverage.

The US Sun

I'm open to that being demonstrated wrong.

 

[Wildcats1st]

150K+ Russians dead per The US Sun. Yikes!

".. the Russian tyrant’s invasion has turned into a military failure of incredible scale, with poorly trained and equipped soldiers being sent to their deaths by incompetent leaders.

As well as soldiers, the Russians have lost vast quantities of weapons, including 3397 tanks, 6658 armoured vehicles, 2398 artillery guns, 300 warplanes and 18 ships.

Mad Vlad's troops have been making repeated attempts to take the town of Vuhledar, where an elite marine brigades has already been wiped out."

Russian death toll hits 150k as Putin’s troops slaughtered in Ukraine

THE Russian death toll in the Ukraine war has now passed the 150,000 mark, according to figures from Kyiv’s defence ministry. The grim milestone was reached as footage showed Vladimir Putin’s force…

www.the-sun.com

Last week British intel estimated 60000 Russians had died in the war.

Russia’s Death Toll From Ukraine War Is as High as 60,000, U.K. Says

The U.K. Defense Ministry estimates that more than 200,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded since the start of the invasion.

www.wsj.com

Keep showing your asses by reposting complete lies and propaganda.

 

[LOL_Man]

Numbers wax and wane because so many Russian soldiers are playing dead. Probably a good 50k at any given moment. If you ask everyone to be quiet you can hear them snoring.

 

[vhcat70]

150K+ Russians dead per The US Sun. Yikes!

".. the Russian tyrant’s invasion has turned into a military failure of incredible scale, with poorly trained and equipped soldiers being sent to their deaths by incompetent leaders.

As well as soldiers, the Russians have lost vast quantities of weapons, including 3397 tanks, 6658 armoured vehicles, 2398 artillery guns, 300 warplanes and 18 ships.

Mad Vlad's troops have been making repeated attempts to take the town of Vuhledar, where an elite marine brigades has already been wiped out."

Russian death toll hits 150k as Putin’s troops slaughtered in Ukraine

THE Russian death toll in the Ukraine war has now passed the 150,000 mark, according to figures from Kyiv’s defence ministry. The grim milestone was reached as footage showed Vladimir Putin’s force…

www.the-sun.com

Missed that this was coming from Ukraine gov. Oops. So who knows.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Last week British intel estimated 60000 Russians had died in the war.

Russia’s Death Toll From Ukraine War Is as High as 60,000, U.K. Says

The U.K. Defense Ministry estimates that more than 200,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded since the start of the invasion.

www.wsj.com

Keep showing your asses by reposting complete lies and propaganda.

Another 60K wounded, many of those have to be horrible injuries, if that makes you feel any better.

 

[Wildcats1st]

Another 60K wounded, many of those have to be horrible injuries, if that makes you feel any better.

Why take a shot at me. That’s all you got? I refute lies with British intel and you want to come at me? The problem with this thread is the garbage like vh spewed that isn’t backed with facts. The neocon/lib team lies with impunity. You guys don’t care about facts you’re so eaten up with trump and the thought he was Putin’s puppet that it’s caused many to cross the line into irrationality and ultimately a 3rd ww. The reality is this started well before trump and the losers who want to come here now and blast Putin didn’t raise a stink when he took Crimea. You have these clowns catemus and vhcat linking the sun and other tabloid outlets. Or you have catemus scrambling to google to try and brush up on recent history like he was asleep in 2014 until now.

I know I know GA you like trump. Well then tell your fellow warhawks to get their facts straight. Stop parroting tabloids

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Why take a shot at me. That’s all you got? I refute lies with British intel and you want to come at me? The problem with this thread is the garbage like vh spewed that isn’t backed with facts. The neocon/lib team lies with impunity. You guys don’t care about facts you’re so eaten up with trump and the thought he was Putin’s puppet that it’s caused many to cross the line into irrationality and ultimately a 3rd ww. The reality is this started well before trump and the losers who want to come here now and blast Putin didn’t raise a stink when he took Crimea. You have these clowns catemus and vhcat linking the sun and other tabloid outlets. Or you have catemus scrambling to google to try and brush up on recent history like he was asleep in 2014 until now.

I know I know GA you like trump. Well then tell your fellow warhawks to get their facts straight. Stop parroting tabloids

I didn't come at you. I dont parrot anything. There was no real way to do anything about Crimea since it was taken while his puppet was in control of Ukraine...you know, the one you guys whine about being removed from office by force. Go figure.

 

[Wildcats1st]

I didn't come at you. I dont parrot anything. There was no real way to do anything about Crimea since it was taken while his puppet was in control of Ukraine...you know, the one you guys whine about being removed from office by force. Go figure.

This is the perfect example. If you had been paying attention in 2014 you would know yanukovych was gone and the western puppet government installed by the time Russia took control of crimea. Putin’s puppet who was democratically elected with massive help from the electorate in eastern Ukraine was not in office.

How about this though. Crimea was illegally given by krushchev a Ukrainian was illegally taken from Russia in the 50s and given to Ukraine. Yet you guys believe Crimea is Ukrainian. This is why the USA should let them fight their own war and stay out of it. It’s not as black and white as the neo con/lib warmonger coalition lead you to believe. Today Ukraine wants democracy and liberty. Next year they will want europe and autocracy.

 

[Spica Orbit]

If Ukraine takes Crimea I'm going to pop the top on a cold one and drink to those magnificent fighting sons a b^*&%. I like to think about how proud Patton would have been the way those guys fight. Walk over, pick up a landmine while smoking a cigarette, toss the landmine off the road, then drive on down the road and kick some more ass.

Oops, the narrative seems to have changed.

Can't take Crimea

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

This is the perfect example. If you had been paying attention in 2014 you would know yanukovych was gone and the western puppet government installed by the time Russia took control of crimea. Putin’s puppet who was democratically elected with massive help from the electorate in eastern Ukraine was not in office.

How about this though. Crimea was illegally given by krushchev a Ukrainian was illegally taken from Russia in the 50s and given to Ukraine. Yet you guys believe Crimea is Ukrainian. This is why the USA should let them fight their own war and stay out of it. It’s not as black and white as the neo con/lib warmonger coalition lead you to believe. Today Ukraine wants democracy and liberty. Next year they will want europe and autocracy.

I know it's history. Why do you claim the land "gift" was illegal? Russia taking it back was certainly illegal. So you think the Ukrainians getting rid of the Russian puppet was a problem and then you think they installed a US puppet. You sure support Russia, a lot. You're an odd bird, I'll give you that. I'm beginning to think you're little different than warrior poet.

 

[Wildcats1st]

I know it's history. Why do you claim the land "gift" was illegal? Russia taking it back was certainly illegal. So you think the Ukrainians getting rid of the Russian puppet was a problem and then you think they installed a US puppet. You sure support Russia, a lot. You're an odd bird, I'll give you that. I'm beginning to think you're little different than warrior poet.

A Ukrainian, soviet leader “gifted” land from Russia to Ukraine. I know it’s been shot down by you guys but Ukraine was a culpable in the USSR as Russia. Perhaps just a little less since Russia was the catalyst for the block. All throughout their soviet days Ukraine and Russia saw each other as 1. Krushchev transfers Crimea to his home country. It’s corrupt as hell and again illustrates how difficult it is to understand how Russia a permanent un sec council member views the world.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

A Ukrainian, soviet leader “gifted” land from Russia to Ukraine. I know it’s been shot down by you guys but Ukraine was a culpable in the USSR as Russia. Perhaps just a little less since Russia was the catalyst for the block. All throughout their soviet days Ukraine and Russia saw each other as 1. Krushchev transfers Crimea to his home country. It’s corrupt as hell and again illustrates how difficult it is to understand how Russia a permanent un sec council member views the world.

NK was not Ukrainian, he was Russia. Russia invaded Crimea on 2/20/14 while their puppet was still in charge. He was not impeached until 2/22/14. Everything about Russia's actions with Crimea are illegal. You're getting small but very important details wrong.

 

[vhcat70]

This is the perfect example. If you had been paying attention in 2014 you would know yanukovych was gone and the western puppet government installed by the time Russia took control of crimea. Putin’s puppet who was democratically elected with massive help from the electorate in eastern Ukraine was not in office.

How about this though. Crimea was illegally given by krushchev a Ukrainian was illegally taken from Russia in the 50s and given to Ukraine. Yet you guys believe Crimea is Ukrainian. This is why the USA should let them fight their own war and stay out of it. It’s not as black and white as the neo con/lib warmonger coalition lead you to believe. Today Ukraine wants democracy and liberty. Next year they will want europe and autocracy.

Well Crimea wasn't part of Russia Empire till 1783 & majority Tartar till the 20th century. Net, hardly Russian.

How what Krushchev did was illegal vs. the other Crimea territory "ownership" transfers is known uniquely to you.

1954 till 2014 being sixty years, seems that's a pretty strong claim given the Russia Empire only had it for 167 years and it was only majority Russian from around 1900 till 1954.. I mean how long does a country need to hold land for it to be legal? Do we need to give Alaska back? Should Hawaii be independent?

 

[Wildcats1st]

NK was not Ukrainian, he was Russia. Russia invaded Crimea on 2/20/14 while their puppet was still in charge. He was not impeached until 2/22/14. Everything about Russia's actions with Crimea are illegal. You're getting small but very important details wrong.

Yeah I screwed up on krushev it’s Brezhnev who was Ukrainian. But who knows about his parents or grandparents and that’s the ultimate point

Actually after going back and checking the facts on NK his parents where most likely Ukrainian. Again underscores the need for the USA to stay out. These countries are so interlinked culturally that they should figure it out themselves.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Yeah I screwed up on krushev it’s Brezhnev who was Ukrainian. But who knows about his parents or grandparents and that’s the ultimate point

Actually after going back and checking the facts on NK his parents where most likely Ukrainian. Again underscores the need for the USA to stay out. These countries are so interlinked culturally that they should figure it out themselves.

In other words, let Putin do whatever he wants to a smaller, poorer and weaker country, regardless of what it may mean to other countries as well. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[WildcatofNati]

In other words, let Putin do whatever he wants to a smaller, poorer and weaker country, regardless of what it may mean to other countries as well. We'll agree to disagree.

He let us obliterate several other smaller, poorer, and weaker countries. But, it's always OK when WE do it, right?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

He let us obliterate several other smaller, poorer, and weaker countries. But, it's always OK when WE do it, right?

Huh? What country did we attack without provocation and with intent to take its land? I'll wait.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Huh? What country did we attack without provocation and with intent to take its land? I'll wait.

Many, many times, but not since Putin was in power. Since he took power in 1999, we have attacked Iraq and Libya without provocation. We had just finished an unprovoked war of aggression against Serbia. That we did so with the intention of installing puppets, as opposed to directly annexing land, is a convenient distinction that Warhawks like to make, but is one that is kind of silly.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Many, many times, but not since Putin was in power. Since he took power in 1999, we have attacked Iraq and Libya without provocation. We had just finished an unprovoked war of aggression against Serbia. That we did so with the intention of installing puppets, as opposed to directly annexing land, is a convenient distinction that Warhawks like to make, but is one that is kind of silly.

Iraq was not without provocation and Libya certainly wasn't. You're absurd and grossly unamerican. You're apparently totally ignorant or you hate this country. Libya attacked us and got what they deserved. Iraq certainly had WMD's, but they obviously moved them. I do believe there was a UN agreement to go into Iraq. Serbia? You must be kidding. Leave it to you to want to coddle Milosovec. He was a monster. If those are your examples I can only laugh at you.

 

[Marleydogg]

- No idea why anyone thinks Putin would stop with "part of the East".
- a cease fire is meaningless. Russia wouldn't stop.
- My dog in the fight is that if Russia succeeds, imo the rest of the world gets riskier for more war.
- Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not hearing the people who have children in the fight already, U & R, calling for a stop.

You just argued against yourself in consecutive posts. Lol

 

[Marleydogg]

You just argued against yourself in consecutive posts. Lol

Russia is decimated! Losing bigly!

Russia won't stop with east Ukraine. they are going to steamroll western Europe.

You.people are clowns

 

[Marleydogg]

In other words, let Putin do whatever he wants to a smaller, poorer and weaker country, regardless of what it may mean to other countries as well. We'll agree to disagree.

You sound like kamala.

 

[Marleydogg]

Iraq was not without provocation and Libya certainly wasn't. You're absurd and grossly unamerican. You're apparently totally ignorant or you hate this country. Libya attacked us and got what they deserved. Iraq certainly had WMD's, but they obviously moved them. I do believe there was a UN agreement to go into Iraq. Serbia? You must be kidding. Leave it to you to want to coddle Milosovec. He was a monster. If those are your examples I can only laugh at you.

I don't remember Libya attacking us? Where did they land? What state?

 

[Marleydogg]

I don't remember Libya attacking us? Where did they land? What state?

And precisely where did Iraq move their WMD? thats the dumbest thing I've heard in days.

 

[rqarnold]

Why take a shot at me. That’s all you got? I refute lies with British intel and you want to come at me? The problem with this thread is the garbage like vh spewed that isn’t backed with facts. The neocon/lib team lies with impunity. You guys don’t care about facts you’re so eaten up with trump and the thought he was Putin’s puppet that it’s caused many to cross the line into irrationality and ultimately a 3rd ww. The reality is this started well before trump and the losers who want to come here now and blast Putin didn’t raise a stink when he took Crimea. You have these clowns catemus and vhcat linking the sun and other tabloid outlets. Or you have catemus scrambling to google to try and brush up on recent history like he was asleep in 2014 until now.

I know I know GA you like trump. Well then tell your fellow warhawks to get their facts straight. Stop parroting tabloids

Seriously, I doubt anyone knows the real body count including you. So on what basis are you claiming to know who is lying?
We know that Russian military tactics don’t value soldier’s lives, or any lives. They are in a battle they can’t win. Best they(Russians) can hope for is for someone to knock off Putin and the next guy calls it off.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Iraq was not without provocation and Libya certainly wasn't. You're absurd and grossly unamerican. You're apparently totally ignorant or you hate this country. Libya attacked us and got what they deserved. Iraq certainly had WMD's, but they obviously moved them. I do believe there was a UN agreement to go into Iraq. Serbia? You must be kidding. Leave it to you to want to coddle Milosovec. He was a monster. If those are your examples I can only laugh at you.

Jingo, you are NOT minding your manners. And you are wrong on each count. Libya attacked us when? And we responded, and what happened decades later is something else. The WMD in Iraq is a joke and a hoax. What we did to Serbia which NEVER attacked us is an abomination. I've been there, old man. What we did there was horrible. And how were WE provoked, Mr. McCain? You are worse than the Left. At least most of them like Dion can oppose our own aggression. You support ours and yet are the more moralistic and hardest opponent of others who do the same.

That's the absolute definition of Jingoism.

 

[SDC888]

You just argued against yourself in consecutive posts. Lol

He's certainly guilty of some doozies... but to be fair to him, the pro-war position is not logically tenable.

Jingo, you are NOT minding your manners. And you are wrong on each count. Libya attacked us when? And we responded, and what happened decades later is something else. The WMD in Iraq is a joke and a hoax. What we did to Serbia which NEVER attacked us is an abomination. I've been there, old man. What we did there was horrible. And how were WE provoked, Mr. McCain? You are worse than the Left. At least most of them like Dion can oppose our own aggression. You support ours and yet are the more moralistic and hardest opponent of others who do the same.

That's the absolute definition of Jingoism.

THat's cause Dion, asa Marxist, is against anything that strengthens American hegemony. Who knows what would have happened had Saddam successfully stopped selling oil in dollars.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I don't remember Libya attacking us? Where did they land? What state?

How old are you? Look it up yourself.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Jingo, you are NOT minding your manners. And you are wrong on each count. Libya attacked us when? And we responded, and what happened decades later is something else. The WMD in Iraq is a joke and a hoax. What we did to Serbia which NEVER attacked us is an abomination. I've been there, old man. What we did there was horrible. And how were WE provoked, Mr. McCain? You are worse than the Left. At least most of them like Dion can oppose our own aggression. You support ours and yet are the more moralistic and hardest opponent of others who do the same.

That's the absolute definition of Jingoism.

Ah, are you whining what I'm being a meanie again? Grow up, I haven't said anything close to against the rules. Serbia was a NATO mission, like it or not. Libya committed terrorism against our troops. All Hussein had to do was let inspectors in but he dragged his feet for months, good lord you're naive and uninformed. Lol at you and your favorite buzz word.

 

[jameslee32]

A total Russian collapse is surprisingly close

Now, General Ben Hodges, former commander of US forces in Europe, has devised a strategy he believes would not only enable Ukraine to retake Crimea, but would precipitate a total Russian military implosion.

His suggestion is as follows: isolate the peninsula by precision strikes against the two land routes connecting it with Russian territory – the Kerch bridge and the corridor that runs along the Azov sea. Then follow up with a large-scale armoured drive towards the Azov, penetrating Russian defences north of Crimea, bringing rocket and artillery systems into closer range. Russian air, ground and naval forces in the peninsula would then be reduced by precision strike and bombardment, until the point when Ukrainian forces could launch a ground offensive along the Perekop Isthmus and into Crimea.

This concerted attack against the peninsula – isolating it, neutralising and inflicting severe damage against its military infrastructure by long range strikes – would be a major blow for Russian morale. In the absence of decisive battlefield success elsewhere, it would represent a defeat for Moscow that it could not disguise, and could lead to collapse of Russian forces in the field and even to Putin’s downfall.

The Crimea attack has begun so we'll see what happens to the paper tiger. On the other hand, Ukraine will likely abandon Bakhmut at some point in that stalemate.

Ukraine clings to Bakhmut, Blinken tells Lavrov US to back Kyiv all the way

Ukrainian forces held out in the eastern city of Bakhmut against Russian attackers on Thursday, while the top U.S. diplomat told Russia's foreign minister in their first in person encounter since the invasion that the Kremlin must stop the war.

www.reuters.com

 

[WildcatofNati]

Ah, are you whining what I'm being a meanie again? Grow up, I haven't said anything close to against the rules. Serbia was a NATO mission, like it or not. Libya committed terrorism against our troops. All Hussein had to do was let inspectors in but he dragged his feet for months, good lord you're naive and uninformed. Lol at you and your favorite buzz word.

Always an excuse when we do it.
Always.
Your Russian counterparts insist that the war against the Ukraine is justified.
Warhawks gonna Warhawk.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Always an excuse when we do it.
Always.
Your Russian counterparts insist that the war against the Ukraine is justified.
Warhawks gonna Warhawk.

What a loser you are, vilifying the US and coddling Russia when there are no similarities in the actions except in your vacuous mind.

 

[bcw1029]

The Crimea attack has begun so we'll see what happens to the paper tiger. On the other hand, Ukraine will likely abandon Bakhmut at some point in that stalemate.

Ukraine clings to Bakhmut, Blinken tells Lavrov US to back Kyiv all the way

Ukrainian forces held out in the eastern city of Bakhmut against Russian attackers on Thursday, while the top U.S. diplomat told Russia's foreign minister in their first in person encounter since the invasion that the Kremlin must stop the war.

www.reuters.com

Where are you seeing the Crimea attack has begun?

 

[vhcat70]

You just argued against yourself in consecutive posts. Lol

That's one.