Russia will have stolen Ukraine's coal producing region, destroyed most of its ports and a lot of infrastructure. Sure, Ukraine will just go out and buy advanced weapons. That may be the single dumbest thing you've ever posted.
The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Oh, that's right, numbnuts refuse to want and demand accountability and audits and such for the largest outpouring of money since lend-lease.
Plus, I'm sure the taliban would be glad to sell the stuff they can't figure out how to use, so the Ukrainians have plenty of options under Biden, as I see it.
You love you some nato mmmm gggoooood. Here’s the thing though. Nato countries don’t like each other. Turkey, Bulgaria they don’t want those “Scandinavian countries”. There’s a reason those countries haven’t joined and as the days draw on in this war the less likely it will happen. Hell there are a half dozen nato countries who would probably rather back Russia than Ukraine.
And btw I don’t know who wrote the thesis on nuland, the coup and subsequent exile but about half of that is true. Remember when that happened the usa was waist deep in the Arab spring and bringing regime change all over. Without a doubt the usa was involved in the ousting of yakanovych
I like the map characterizations of Russian defeats.
The sinking of the Moskva was an “experiment of inverse bouyancy.”
I guess my question is, why don't you?
When will you hit the point of saying it's not worth it?
Ever? No matter how many trillions we spend?
Lives lost?
Wtf is wrong with you?
Rhodes 'Scholars' generally know how to spell, so yeah. Go on with your bad self.
When you going over and joining the fight, Warhawk? Hmmmmm?
I'm not a Putin supporter, nor a peacenik, although peace is preferable to war.
If someone wants to try us, and I mean the USA, give them the fury of a thousand dying suns and sow their soil with salt, is my opinion.
Screw the Ukraine and Russia both.
If someone wants to try us, and I mean the USA, give them the fury of a thousand dying suns and sow their soil with salt, is my opinion.
Screw the Ukraine and Russia both.
It's been a year, so when does that Russian NATO start anyway?🤣 Nice deflection as well!
Interesting fact. The US has become the leading exporter of LNG in the world. Thanks Ivans!
Immaterial which countries like each other. Few do. It's their actions that matter. Bulgaria not stopping the one one scandinavian country trying to enter. Why make sh!t up?
Name the hlf dozen NATO countries that would rather back Putin. I can think of two.
Just in case this wasn't posted earlier.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Putin £274million spy plane 'is destroyed in drone attack near Minsk'
Belarus partisans and members of the exiled opposition said they destroyed a Russian A-50 surveillance military aircraft as part of a secret mission.
Frack, Baby, Frack.
One of the likely long-term benefits is we
can plug the few remaining “burn offs” of our massive natural gas production and replace Russian sales.
Sure, it is more efficient to pipe natural gas to Germany from Eastern Europe than ship it from the US. But that efficiency does nothing for us.
But when your efficient, pipeline-exporting-country is an also an international criminal-state, led by Soviet era KGB personalities, bad things tend to happen to them.
You hate to see it . . . .
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Exactly when are those Scandinavian countries gonna join? 😂 it’s not happening.
If push came to shove, I doubt those two would make the switch. Yes, they want attention, and are getting some, but if any really wanted back in the Russian sphere they could re-enter at any time.
I don’t make the reference nimrod the other dude did. He called them “Scandinavian countries” and I put it in quotes. Nice try smart man
All Turkey wants is some concessions. You'll see. The "Scandinavian countries" will join NATO soon.
Ah, look at you, you found a typo. I'm proud of you. Nope, but I'll happily push my representatives to continue funding it.
Right back at ya Sunshine. WTF is wrong with you? You can't let Russia conquer countries like this. If you haven't noticed, most of the prominent countries of the world are helping Ukraine. I guess you know better than everyone.
“When will you hit the point of saying it's not worth it?
Ever? No matter how many trillions we spend?
Lives lost?”
My question: how morally relativistic or simply confused would one have to be to ask these questions of another who neither started nor participated in a war, without directing the same jaundiced eye toward the real aggressor, who actually has wasted trillions and lost 70,000 lives?
If our thoughts are this non-linear and non-sensical, we should build a border wall with Canada to solve illegal immigration, place our Navy in the English Channel to dissuade Chinese ambitions toward Taiwan, and learn fluent German to improve our relationships in Latin America.
Reading this thread, I wonder if either long-term radiation exposure and/or wide-spread, sustained drug abuse has literally poisoned a significant percentage of minds.
Ever? No matter how many trillions we spend?
Lives lost?”
My question: how morally relativistic or simply confused would one have to be to ask these questions of another who neither started nor participated in a war, without directing the same jaundiced eye toward the real aggressor, who actually has wasted trillions and lost 70,000 lives?
If our thoughts are this non-linear and non-sensical, we should build a border wall with Canada to solve illegal immigration, place our Navy in the English Channel to dissuade Chinese ambitions toward Taiwan, and learn fluent German to improve our relationships in Latin America.
Reading this thread, I wonder if either long-term radiation exposure and/or wide-spread, sustained drug abuse has literally poisoned a significant percentage of minds.
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You're so simplistic it is no wonder you can't see the big picture.
We don't need to install a US puppet. Once Putin is out and replaced then Russia has a choice: either continue to side with China who is already isolated and facing a population collapse with no real future to look forward to, or the US and Europe who have already time and time again shown that if you are willing to play by the rules then you can be prosperous and have a seat at the table.
The price for US/European acceptance? Give up that scumball general that bulldozed Ukraine for war crimes then incrementally move towards us and away from China as we in turn incrementally remove your sanctions. It won't be a quick process but it can be as fast as a decade before Russia is fully at the table.
Flipping Russia absolutely against China is a major reason why we need to defeat them in Ukraine as that is the straw that breaks Putin's back and gets him replaced/killed in Russia.
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Oh, and there is no path forward for US/Russia with Putin still in power. That ship sailed when he went into Ukraine.
No peace until Russia installs a puppet govt to nato. That’s my read. There is a long line behind Putin the west won’t deal with.
Putin is evil and sucks. The Ukraine is filled with corruption. Russia should not have invaded Ukraine. We probably assisted Russia by compelling Ukraine to give up its nukes. Most Ukrainian people are victims of this war. Most Russians are victims of a dangerous and corrupt government. The war will produce more and more death, more and more pain, more and more threats of a WWIII, and more and more profit for the industrial war machine. NATO and the U.S. effed up its response to Putin’s aggression before the war. These are a few things I generally believe about the war.
Question: if Russia took parts of eastern Ukraine, how does that harm or threaten the U.S.?
Thanks in advance for your explanation.
Question: if Russia took parts of eastern Ukraine, how does that harm or threaten the U.S.?
Thanks in advance for your explanation.
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As I said, and as you obviously did not read, Europe should be the primary creditor to Ukraine for obvious reasons. It’s not even debatable. Germany, France, and Britain have enough advanced weaponry to check Russia.
From day 1, not 1 of you have explained why it should be us and not them who sell to Ukraine. Who give Ukraine money.
Also mildly amusing that the carbon friendly West is going to buy Ukrainian coal.
Russia will have a choice after Putin is dead. China or the West. Should be an easy one to make.
For all of you Putin water carriers, I suggest at least watching something like "Facing Putin" on the National Geographic Channel at a minimum. The "Facing" series really has some great docs and it would be a start in actually learning something.
I like Bill Gates' last line in that doc, it goes something like "Vladimir Putin only rose to power in Russia because he guaranteed the safety of Boris Yeltsin and that everything the Yeltsin family stole they would be able to keep and he kept his word. Unfortunately for Putin there is nobody in Russia today that will make him the same guarantee. The only way Putin leaves that office is feet first."
If you paid attention to the President of the United States then you'd know the answer to that question. It's up to the Ukrainian Government and the Ukrainian people as to what terms they would accept.
As for US foreign policy interests, a successful Russian resolution in any form means a virulently anti-American Vladimir Putin stays in power and becomes stronger, his alliance with China strengthens as they gain more confidence in him, and China becomes more aggressive and more expansionist as a result. Putin immediately begins destabilizing what is left of Ukraine and ups his plans on Moldova. He continues depending on the Republican Party to undermine NATO and even their recent ventures into actually undermining and criticizing the US military in order to pave the way for his eventual designs on Poland. COVID policy has given the Republicans a great "in' for figuring out a way to start bringing down our military and they will press it hard.
Weakening the Putin Republicans is as critical as weakening the China/Iran/Russian alliance and Ukraine is the entire ballgame. Wait to see how far the Republicans are willing to up the ante on attacking Ukraine before it is too late for Vladimir. Our next election could be one of the most dangerous events we've ever witnessed so much depends upon it. Trump, by design, is going to try to destabilize our country, period.
Your: "Exactly when are those Scandinavian countries gonna join? 😂 it’s not happening." isn't in quotes.
Were that the end of it, it doesn't. But it wouldn't be the end it there or anywhere else around the world. That people think that's a straightforward solution amazes me.
