Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

[warrior-cat]

The apologist keep coming here and in the political thread to try and deflect attention away to just how bad things have gotten under Biden. All of the things that they said would happen under Trump seem to be happening rather quickly under Biden.

81 million votes my ass. Well, I hope that is not true because if it is, we are in deep sh*t. It simply means that there are a lot of really dumb people in this country.

For those of you that are offended by this perhaps you should educate yourself more. The truth hurts.

 

[IdaCat]

 

[Spica Orbit]

All of these lunatics that want to go to war with Russia should head right down to their local US Army recruiting office & enlist. They can lead the charge against those evil Russians.

 

[IdaCat]

Love you guys!

Seriously, no one wants to see invasions and conflicts. If your very first thought is to crush whoever the current POTUS is (which you all currently do daily), then you're being a small minded political sheep. Putin has made this a world issue, so find your backbones and act like Americans for a change. I don't know what to say to you if you'd rather bash the President of your own country instead of a thug like Putin.

Just over 2 years ago, we had one of the most prosperous, peaceful times in our country's history. Maybe THE most. Well, except for your ilk burning down half the country.

Where were you then? I'll tell you. Every one of you were screaming the lies your political leaders and media were pumping trying to destroy the president whose policies were producing the success everybody enjoyed, ... except you, of course. You know, the lies which your leaders were in truth guilty of doing. Despicable.

Now, you want us to shut up and support this shit show? It's been nothing but failure after failure. Shit policies, divisive, destructive BS, and incompetent leadership. It's so consistently bad, one can even believe it's ALL on purpose.

And guess what? It's going to get worse. And yes, we warned you, but you wouldn't listen. Well, I'm not listening to you either. And unlike you, I have damn good reason.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

The internet is forever

 

[warrior-cat]

Just over 2 years ago, we had one of the most prosperous, peaceful times in our country's history. Maybe THE most. Well, except for your ilk burning down half the country.

Where were you then? I'll tell you. Every one of you were screaming the lies your political leaders and media were pumping trying to destroy the president whose policies were producing the success everybody enjoyed, ... except you, of course. You know, the lies which your leaders were in truth guilty of doing. Despicable.

Now, you want us to shut up and support this shit show? It's been nothing but failure after failure. Shit policies, divisive, destructive BS, and incompetent leadership. It's so consistently bad, one can even believe it's ALL on purpose.

And guess what? It's going to get worse. And yes, we warned you, but you wouldn't listen. Well, I'm not listening to you either. And unlike you, I have damn good reason.

The same people who are saying stop politicizing this situation are the same ones who politicized every move Trump made and more over ones he did not but were made to look that way. The party of lies is destroying this country and I believe it is by design. They seem to think they can change it to a utopian (socialist-communist) society, and no one has to work. Everybody will be the same.

Dumb and dumber is a documentary about the common democrat.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

According to the hero of the left, you are committing treason if you do not support war against Russia. Laurance Tribe tweeted this. I bet all you good little lefties will line up behind that one.

 

[warrior-cat]

According to the hero of the left, you are committing treason if you do not support war against Russia. Laurance Tribe tweeted this. I bet all you good little lefties will line up behind that one.

Our military of today would suffer massive losses against Russia and many other armies because they have focused more on wokeism than actual military training. Plus, Army enlistment is way down. The Army is now offering big bonuses for specific areas they are lacking in. 50K in some cases. Wokeism is a cancer.

 

[CastleRubric]

Russia, UK, and USA signed an agreement to recognize the sovereignty and security of Ukraine and others as long as they give up their nukes. Putin for the second time, has violated that agreement with regards to Ukraine.

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Are you referring to the Minsk agreement, James?

i finally broke down and read it about two weeks ago - it’s worth reviewing if you’re following the current snafu in Eurasia

The Minsk agreement was signed or publicly supported (forget which) by The EURO powers (OSCE i believe) - and it should serve as the path forward for de-conflicting the current unnecessary mess

 

[Caveman Catfan]

"I mean, listen guys, we are talking about the potential for war in Europe," Harris said. "I mean, let's really take a moment to understand the significance of what we're talking about."

 

[MGGA]

What's so hard about admitting Romney was right. He was. Stop being an apologist. Nothing to do with Trump or anyone else...but you all went along with all this jist so Obama could win an election

Those are facts

I think this poster might actually be Mitt Romney. Dude is obsessed https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/search/182806/?q=romney&c[users]=UKBrassowTipIN&o=relevance

 

[Cleisthenes]

Hopefully one of our two major political parties hasn't been spouting Russian propaganda for the last 7-8 years, attacked our own country on January 6, 2021, and openly fawned over Putin's every move to the point of groveling under his feet on stage at Helsinki.

 

[Cleisthenes]

I think this poster might actually be Mitt Romney. Dude is obsessed https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/search/182806/?q=romney&c[users]=UKBrassowTipIN&o=relevance

I am a lifelong Democrat but I swear Mitt Romney is who I wish I could vote for in the next election. My own party has lost its mind just as wildly as the Republicans have under Trump. I'd take Romney any day over what either party is going to nominate.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Romney is also the last person on earth Putin wants to see elected as US President. No question about that at all.

 

[Ed323232]

We have a president? Oh, you mean that corrupt, braindead pos who doesn't know where he is half the time?

You described citizen trump

 

[Ed323232]

Hopefully one of our two major political parties hasn't been spouting Russian propaganda for the last 7-8 years, attacked our own country on January 6, 2021, and openly fawned over Putin's every move to the point of groveling under his feet on stage at Helsinki.

Well said

 

[phunterd]

Yeah I’m sure all you all were chomping at the bit to get into the booth and vote for Romney over Obama in 2012.

And Romney was wrong then too. China is clearly our biggest geopolitical threat.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

The good news is with people like this in charge what could go wrong.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Yeah I’m sure all you all were chomping at the bit to get into the booth and vote for Romney over Obama in 2012.

And Romney was wrong then too. China is clearly our biggest geopolitical threat.

2012 might as well be 1890. Time and circumstances have perfectly aligned for Mitt Romney to lead us. The faster we recognize that then the faster we can strike fear directly into the heart of Vladimir Putin as there is no person on earth he fears like he does Romney.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

“This is my last election," Obama said. "After my election I have more flexibility.”

And, then, we got Hillary’s reset button.

 

[Headbobfootball]

I will step up and say that I am embarrassed I voted for Biden, but it was anti Trump and I vote in Kentucky so it doesn't matter. What I disagreed with on Trump's policy was calling the pandemic a hoax and then putting trillions of dollars into the stock market as a response to it. Also disagreed on lowering corporate tax by 15% after they saw the longest bull market in the history of bull markets after we have now bailed them out 3 separate times. Having said that, blaming pubs or dems for any of this is like getting mad at the store clerk for the price of gas.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

This is a deputy sec Biden appointment. Good job Joe. I can see why the left was so outraged over some of the Republican appointments.


These are the people that want war with Russia.

 

[Bill Derington]

I will step up and say that I am embarrassed I voted for Biden, but it was anti Trump and I vote in Kentucky so it doesn't matter. What I disagreed with on Trump's policy was calling the pandemic a hoax and then putting trillions of dollars into the stock market as a response to it. Also disagreed on lowering corporate tax by 15% after they saw the longest bull market in the history of bull markets after we have now bailed them out 3 separate times. Having said that, blaming pubs or dems for any of this is like getting mad at the store clerk for the price of gas.

Lowering the corporate tax rate was to get money offshore back to the US, abd it worked. It’s one of the reasons unemployment dropped and wages rose without inflation prior to Covid.

Trump called the Democratic reaction to Covid a hoax.

You’re absolutely right about dumping money into the stock market.

More to the point of the thread, what just happened in Ukraine would not be happening if Trump were President. He never would’ve immediately removed a US military response. Biden gave Putin the green light to take eastern Ukraine, he told us as much with his “ minor incursion” foot in the mouth moment.

 

[P19978]

As the meme goes...

"We are in the middle of the most painful 'I told you so' in the history of the US"

 

[Cleisthenes]

Lowering the corporate tax rate was to get money offshore back to the US, abd it worked. It’s one of the reasons unemployment dropped and wages rose without inflation prior to Covid.

Trump called the Democratic reaction to Covid a hoax.

You’re absolutely right about dumping money into the stock market.

More to the point of the thread, what just happened in Ukraine would not be happening if Trump were President. He never would’ve immediately removed a US military response. Biden gave Putin the green light to take eastern Ukraine, he told us as much with his “ minor incursion” foot in the mouth moment.

Yeah, I'm sure Putin would be crushed to see Donald Trump win again after the way Trump dressed him down in Helsinki.

Enough wasted political jibber-jabber. The time for Mitt Romney is at hand. The sooner the squabbling is over and the sooner we all get behind the right man for the moment then the sooner Putin understands the unintended consequences of his actions.

 

[gobigbluebell]

I will step up and say that I am embarrassed I voted for Biden, but it was anti Trump and I vote in Kentucky so it doesn't matter. What I disagreed with on Trump's policy was calling the pandemic a hoax and then putting trillions of dollars into the stock market as a response to it. Also disagreed on lowering corporate tax by 15% after they saw the longest bull market in the history of bull markets after we have now bailed them out 3 separate times. Having said that, blaming pubs or dems for any of this is like getting mad at the store clerk for the price of gas.

How do you feel about gas, and energy policy?

We went from energy independent (plus worlds leading exporter) to energy destitute with the flip of the switch, and now we’re begging Russia to raise the price of oil they sell to us.

If precious lil feelings ran on gasoline, voters might pay more attention to the important issues.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

Romney is also the last person on earth Putin wants to see elected as US President. No question about that at all.

Haha Mitt Romney wears mom jeans. That fruitloop is wet toilet paper

 

[ThroughBlue]

The plan was always a war with Russia. It just coming 5 years later than expected because they thought she'd never lose.

The thread should have been locked after this. Nothing truer could have been said.

 

[Cleisthenes]

The thread should have been locked after this. Nothing truer could have been said.

If our plan was war with Russia then why would Putin instigate it?

 

[ThroughBlue]

The war drums beat on.

i wish we could find a president who didn’t start wars

 

[ThroughBlue]

If our plan was war with Russia then why would Putin instigate it?

I don’t see Putin threatening the United States. Bring or troops home and keep them here

 

[Headbobfootball]

How do you feel about gas, and energy policy?

We went from energy independent (plus worlds leading exporter) to energy destitute with the flip of the switch, and now we’re begging Russia to raise the price of oil they sell to us.

If precious lil feelings ran on gasoline, voters might pay more attention to the important issues.

I don't know enough about it to comment, I don't think 99% of the people really do. What I have read is that oil and gas companies do not need more federal land and have about 10 years worth of unused land/contracts. These companies pocketed billions in covid relief funds, so I don't think we went to energy destitute in a flip of a switch, plus you sound like a rahtard.

 

[Bill Derington]

Yeah, I'm sure Putin would be crushed to see Donald Trump win again after the way Trump dressed him down in Helsinki.

Enough wasted political jibber-jabber. The time for Mitt Romney is at hand. The sooner the squabbling is over and the sooner we all get behind the right man for the moment then the sooner Putin understands the unintended consequences of his actions.

Just look at reality, Putin took Crimea, he jumped into Syria, while Obama was President. 4 years of Trump and the only time they confronted the US we killed over 200 of their soldiers. No movement on Ukraine.
Barely a year of Biden, which is really Obama, becoming President, and Putin in into Ukraine again.

 

[Nightwish84]

And guess what? It's going to get worse. And yes, we warned you, but you wouldn't listen. Well, I'm not listening to you either. And unlike you, I have damn good reason.

Oh please. You and the same 12 people bitched nonstop about stolen elections, massive fraud, voting machines, Fox, CNN, wokeness, libs, etc. That's what you do. In literally every thread. You very well may be the last person anyone should listen to here. Have a nice day though.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Just look at reality, Putin took Crimea, he jumped into Syria, while Obama was President. 4 years of Trump and the only time they confronted the US we killed over 200 of their soldiers. No movement on Ukraine.
Barely a year of Biden, which is really Obama, becoming President, and Putin in into Ukraine again.

You're correct on your facts but wrong in your understanding of what those facts mean. Why would Putin need to confront the US under Trump? Trump's abject fealty to Putin was on display for his entire Presidency so what was there to confront? You confront enemies not friends. If you want the US to defer to Russia and for a US President to stand on stage and talk about partnering with Russia in combating global state sponsored hacking (LOL) and be little more than a useful idiot then of course Donald Trump is your man. That should be obvious at this point.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Returning to being complicit in Russian designs is not countering Russia just because they are thankful for your deference.

 

[phunterd]

Ok. I’ll spell this out slowly and without nuance so that it can be grasped easily.

Trump saw China for what it is - the biggest threat to the west since the 1950’s Soviet Union.

Trump knew that China was angling to have Russia as an ally against us. Russia, while a shell of its former Soviet Union relevance, still has unique advantages on that side of the world.

Therefore, it would be advantageous if the US could develop a decent relationship with Russia as a way to blunt Chinese influence and growth rather than the two team up against us.

Of course, the political class in the US, many of whom are owned by China, was not about to let that happen. So here we are.

None of this changes the fact that this Ukraine episode has nothing to do with America nor its interests and we have no business involving ourselves in it.

 

[Bill Derington]

You're correct on your facts but wrong in your understanding of what those facts mean. Why would Putin need to confront the US under Trump? Trump's abject fealty to Putin was on display for his entire Presidency so what was there to confront? You confront enemies not friends. If you want the US to defer to Russia and for a US President to stand on stage and talk about partnering with Russia in combating global state sponsored hacking (LOL) and be little more than a useful idiot then of course Donald Trump is your man. That should be obvious at this point.

That’s ridiculous. Putin wants Ukraine without a US military response.
He isn’t confronting us, we’re giving it to him. There would’ve been a confrontation had Putin did this under Trump.

 

[Cleisthenes]

That’s ridiculous. Putin wants Ukraine without a US military response.
He isn’t confronting us, we’re giving it to him. There would’ve been a confrontation had Putin did this under Trump.

Confronting Putin militarily over an invasion into Ukraine is not now nor ever has been either US policy nor NATO policy hence the rebuff of Ukraine in joining NATO. For you to suggest otherwise means you're just completely ignorant of the subject matter or are operating as a political hack/zealot. Take your pick.

Revisiting Trump is a waste of time at this point. He will never be President again. So the question is where do we go from here? What is the best option for our country?

I believe the answer is overwhelmingly Mitt Romney so that's the case, even as a lifelong Democrat, I am making out of loyalty to my country.

 

[phunterd]

Romney will be pleased to know that he now has secured three votes for President - him, his mother, and this guy.

Perhaps by 2024 he can get to 10.