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Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

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I highly, highly doubt that Russia will use nuclear weapons or FOABs against Ukraine. He knows that's a path where he can't come back from. Ukraine is kicking his ass right now. He really doesn't want NATO to have a reason to join the fight.

The threat is likely a chip he's going to use to negotiate later today when Russian and Ukrainian officials meet. I could be misunderstanding their doctrine, but I'm pretty sure Russia has a policy of "escalate to de-escalate" when it comes to nukes and it seems like this is what Putin is doing
Not sure what this is but hol-ee shit.

 
All this help for Ukraine is too late, it should’ve been given this time last week.

Their air forces are done, the proof is in a 30 mile convoy of Russian equipment sitting nose to tail in broad daylight, 40 miles from Kyiv.

The media has gone full on propaganda, probably to keep from spooking the country. Russia has essentially taken Ukraine in 4 days, and they knew they were coming.
The Russian military far outnumbers Ukraine, but if reports are right they’re only using 150-200k soldiers, and only about half have been used.
 
Whole E. Shit. Trump never agreed or said that what Putin was doing was right. He was talking about pre-invasion and what not. Turn off CNN.
Just because FOX didn’t report it I guess it didn’t happen. Oh yeah it did. He praised the he’ll out of him. Bromance.
 
Just because FOX didn’t report it I guess it didn’t happen. Oh yeah it did. He praised the he’ll out of him. Bromance.
No he didn’t, he said it was a genius move to call the troops moving into the Donbas region “ peacekeepers”.
He also followed is by saying the whole situation was sad.

The political elite in the West created the scenario where this could happen in Ukraine. They dicked around for 25 years in Ukraine skimming money off the top.
All they had to do was let them in NATO, but then they couldn’t needle Ukraine, it’s disgusting.
 
I’ve got to unplug from all this. Starting to have anxiety attacks. Really don’t think tomorrow is going to be good. We are in a really really bad situation with no apparent out.
 
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Hey James Lee…more Russia-bot reading for you.

“In 2016, the Hillary Clinton campaign came calling on Ukrainian officials and activists to lend some Slavic authenticity to its Russia collusion narrative targeting Donald Trump. Indeed, Russiagate’s central storyline was about Ukraine. Yes, Trump had supposedly been compromised by a sex tape filmed in Moscow, but Putin’s ostensible reason for helping Trump win the presidency was to get him to drop Ukraine-related sanctions. Here was another chance for Ukraine to stick it to Putin, and gain favor with what it imagined would be the winning party in the American election.
With the CIA’s Brennan and a host of senior FBI and DOJ officials pushing Russiagate into the press—and running an illegal espionage campaign against the Trump team—Ukrainian political figures gladly joined in. Key participants included Kyiv’s ambassador to Washington, who wrote a Trump-Russia piece for the U.S. press, and a member of the Ukrainian parliament who allegedly contributed to the dossier. The collusion narrative was also augmented by Ukrainian American operatives, like Alexandra Chalupa, who was tied into the Democratic Party’s NGO complex. The idea that this game might have consequences for Ukraine’s relations with its more powerful neighbor doesn’t seem to have entered the heads of either the feckless Ukrainians or the American political operatives who cynically used them.

Of course, Ukraine was hardly the only American client state to involve itself in domestic political gamesmanship. By appearing before the U.S. Congress to argue against Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took sides with Republicans against a sitting American president—which seems like an even bigger potential faux pas.

The differences between the two situations are even more revealing, though. The Iran deal touched on a core Israeli national interest. As a U.S. ally, Israel was challenging the wisdom of handing nuclear weapons to its own (and America’s) leading regional competitor and rival. By contrast, Ukraine had no existential or geopolitical reason to participate in the anti-Trump operation, which allowed it at best to curry favor with one side of the D.C. establishment while angering what turned out to be the winning party. Russiagate was the kind of vanity project that a buffer state with a plunging GDP and an army equipped with 40-year-old ex-Soviet weapons in a notoriously risky area of the world can ill afford—especially one that lacked a nuclear arsenal.

And that was only the beginning. Just as Russiagate seemed to be coming to a close in July 2019, U.S. national security officials injected yet another Ukraine-related narrative into the public sphere to target the American president. This one appears to have been initiated by Ukrainian American White House official Alexander Vindman and his colleague Eric Ciaramella, a CIA analyst who had served as Vice President Biden’s point man on Ukraine during the Obama administration. When Vindman told Ciaramella about a phone call in which Trump had asked the Ukrainian president for information regarding allegations about the Biden family’s corrupt activities in Kyiv, they called on help from U.S. intelligence services, the State Department, the Pentagon, Democratic Party officials, and the press. Quick, scramble Team Ukraine—Trump is asking questions!

In order to cover up for what the Bidens and perhaps other senior Obama officials had done in Ukraine, a Democratic Congress impeached Trump for trying to figure out what American policymakers had been doing in Ukraine over the past decade. As for the Ukrainians, they again put themselves in the middle of it, when they should have stayed home.


The end result was that the Ukrainians had helped weaken an American president who, unlike Obama, gave them arms to defend themselves against the Russians. More seriously, they reinforced Putin’s view that, especially in partnership with the Democrats, Ukraine did not understand its true place in the world as a buffer state—and would continue to allow themselves to be used as an instrument by policymakers whose combination of narcissism and fecklessness made them particularly prone to dangerous miscalculations.

The 2020 election victory of Joe Biden, a man whose family had been paid by the Ukrainians to protect them, can have done little to quiet Putin’s sense that Ukraine needed to be put in its place before it was used yet again as a weapon against him.

From the perspective of the U.S. national security establishment, Biden’s victory over Trump signaled that its actions in Ukraine would stay hidden. So long as the media continued to bark that the 45th president of the United States is Putin’s stooge, no one would be held accountable for anything. Except, as it turns out, D.C. political operatives aren’t the only people who can make history. Putin can, too. And the people of Ukraine will come out much the worse for both of their efforts.”
It's the biggest political crime in history. A political party working with foreign governments to concoct lies to unseat a US president.

If Repubs had done that, it would be the end of their party. But Dems dgaf. It's totally ignored and not reported at all.

That's where we are.
 
No he didn’t, he said it was a genius move to call the troops moving into the Donbas region “ peacekeepers”.
He also followed is by saying the whole situation was sad.

The political elite in the West created the scenario where this could happen in Ukraine. They dicked around for 25 years in Ukraine skimming money off the top.
All they had to do was let them in NATO, but then they couldn’t needle Ukraine, it’s disgusting.
Trump has spend 5 years worshiping Putin. Just own it. Conservatives are coming out of the woodwork to support Putin. It’s sick.
 
Didn't know. Interesting. I presume you're in CR, not Honduras, & near west coast, like around La Cruz? CR is quite nice. Been a couple of times.
La cruz is close. Right now I live in Cuajiniquil near Santa Rosa in NW guanacaste. It’s basically a fishing village. Very peaceful. Muy tranquilo.

I don’t always stay here though I’ve stayed here since the pandemic began and f yeah I’m happy about that! but normally I spend alot of time in Colombia Nicaragua along with a month here and there in Lexington my hometown
 
Not sure what this is but hol-ee shit.

When a Nuke is detonated the first thing you see is a blinding light as bright as the sun. If you're staring right at it at a certain distance odds are you'll be blinded instantly. Then the worst happens. After the blast it sends out an EMP that shuts down any electronic within miles. People that are miles away will have 3rd degree burns all over their bodies. There will be shadows of ash of people that were once there. If you somehow survive all of that odds are a retaliation has occurred and every nuke available has been launched as the U.S. and Russia operate on a "Use them or Lose them" type of attitude. With the worry that some may miss, malfunction, or be destroyed in the silo. The skies will be covered from the fallout. You won't see the sun for years and millions of people who survived the blast would die of starvation. The War Games movie back in the 80's was a really corny movie, but the ending was poetic. "The only way to win the game is to not play". I I don't think it'll go nuclear as I think the Cuban Missile Crisis was 100x more on the brink than what is happening now, but it's a scary thought and that thought has kept from a major global war from occurring for almost a 100 years now. Something that was unfathomable beforehand.
 
When a Nuke is detonated the first thing you see is a blinding light as bright as the sun. If you're staring right at it at a certain distance odds are you'll be blinded instantly. Then the worst happens. After the blast it sends out an EMP that shuts down any electronic within miles. People that are miles away will have 3rd degree burns all over their bodies. There will be shadows of ash of people that were once there. If you somehow survive all of that odds are a retaliation has occurred and every nuke available has been launched as the U.S. and Russia operate on a "Use them or Lose them" type of attitude. With the worry that some may miss, malfunction, or be destroyed in the silo. The skies will be covered from the fallout. You won't see the sun for years and millions of people who survived the blast would die of starvation. The War Games movie back in the 80's was a really corny movie, but the ending was poetic. "The only way to win the game is to not play". I I don't think it'll go nuclear as I think the Cuban Missile Crisis was 100x more on the brink than what is happening now, but it's a scary thought and that thought has kept from a major global war from occurring for almost a 100 years now. Something that was unfathomable beforehand.
Apparently in 1983 we came closer to Nuclear War than during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
 

Belarus ditches non-nuclear status in change to constitution​

Belarus approved a new constitution Sunday to end the country's non-nuclear status.
Just over 65% of those that took part in the vote were in favor of the measure, according to reporting from Reuters. The vote comes after the former Soviet republican served as a launching point for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and would mark the first time the country could host nuclear weapons on its soil since the fall of the Soviet Union.
 

Airspace over Ukraine still being contested amid Russian invasion, senior US defense official says​

The airspace over Ukraine is still being contested as Ukrainian forces continue to fight back against the Russian invasion, according to a senior U.S. defense official on Sunday.
"That means that the Ukrainians are still using both aircraft, and their own air and missile defense systems, which we believe are still intact and still viable," said the official in an off-camera press briefing released by the Department of Defense. "Though they have been, as I said yesterday, there's been some degradation by the Russians."
Roughly two-thirds of Russian forces located along the border have now been committed inside Ukraine, an increase from 24 hours earlier when about half of those forces were committed inside the country, the official said.
 
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I think if zelensky and Ukrainian government concede to novorossiya Putin may back down from Kiev. Idk if zelensky is willing to make that deal though.
 
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The wall to wall Ukraine invasion coverage on all news outlets reminds me of the MSM coverage of Covid with rolling death counts on the screens 24/7

Both were/are nauseating. Anything for clicks I guess.

Every talking head, politician, war hawk, ex war hawk , and others no one has cared about for years has to give us their opinion. They’re all fos.

If the West would get out of this mess Russia and Ukraine would resolve this in a good way.

Anyone believing what’s coming out of the media including Fox are fools.
 
The wall to wall Ukraine invasion coverage on all news outlets reminds me of the MSM coverage of Covid with rolling death counts on the screens 24/7

Both were/are nauseating. Anything for clicks I guess.

Every talking head, politician, war hawk, ex war hawk , and others no one has cared about for years has to give us their opinion. They’re all fos.

If the West would get out of this mess Russia and Ukraine would resolve this in a good way.

Anyone believing what’s coming out of the media including Fox are fools.
At least they are covering actual news instead of what they determine to be news. The media loves war it’s great for their ratings.

last time I watched the news was last year on January 6th I tuned in for a few min to see the people walking through the capitol. I turn through the channels a couple days ago and don lemon was covering this deal and I said to myself “wtf how can anyone listen to don lemon about a serious subject”? “What a fn kñjoke the media is” There aren’t many honest people left who actually report news and like other countries what you see is filtered by our intelligence organizations.
 
At least they are covering actual news instead of what they determine to be news. The media loves war it’s great for their ratings.

last time I watched the news was last year on January 6th I tuned in for a few min to see the people walking through the capitol. I turn through the channels a couple days ago and don lemon was covering this deal and I said to myself “wtf how can anyone listen to don lemon about a serious subject”? “What a fn kñjoke the media is” There aren’t many honest people left who actually report news and like other countries what you see is filtered by our intelligence organizations.
Walking through the capital? I guess I saw different videos
 
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Walking through the capital? I guess I saw different videos
I had the news on about 30 min cnn and all I saw was a video feed from inside the capitol and people walking by with commentators opining. I’ve seen some footage since but I didn’t see it covered that day.
 
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It's probably real. The Russians have been leaving a lot of equipment behind because of lack of fuel. I think they expected an easy run into kyiv and the first groups went way beyond resupply lines.

That actually looked like a Russian soldier stealing the tractor to toe his fuel-less Tank and the plain clothes farmer running to try and stop him.
 
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