Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions

[azurricat2010]

Add sources to your news rotation that stem from large organizations that (are supposed to) carry. something of a politically neutral charter / mission - examples could be :

WHO - World Health
OSCE - Org Secuy/Coop in EU
WTO - World Trade
UN & their various sub-orgs (UNHCR, UNESCO etc)

Also try scanning the press release tabs on multiple USG Dept Level Entities like :

HUD - Housing
DHS/CDC - public health
VA - veterans
DoD. - Defense

This is what I do but w/e I use sources familiar to these people in the political thread call it "fake news" just because the person posting it happens to have a different perspective.

As an example, SEC.gov can be a godsend when it comes to researching potential investment opportunities but when I mentioned using this as a source, people say "you hate America."

I'm glad you posted this to give others an idea of what actual sources look like. Primary sources are where it's at, not secondary sources.

 

[CastleRubric]

This is what I do but w/e I use sources familiar to these people in the political thread call it "fake news" just because the person posting it happens to have a different perspective.

As an example, SEC.gov can be a godsend when it comes to researching potential investment opportunities but when I mentioned using this as a source, people say "you hate America."

I'm glad you posted this to give others an idea of what actual sources look like. Primary sources are where it's at, not secondary sources.

Thanks man !

honestly i also believe that having a working understanding of history — helps ppl understand current events and relational context — also you’re studying humanity’s “actuals” when you read history

Similar to managing risk for a major program or the like - history shows what we often DO vs Theorize

 

[FtWorthCat]

Russia will take Ukraine, but it's pretty obvious already that this has been a major blunder on Putin's part. He is done as a credible world leader, no matter what "the Donald" thinks of him. This puts Russia on a level with North Korea, Syria, and Iran.

 

[BMoore2]

If Ukraine were to somehow fight back enough to force Russia to pull back.. we should allow them into Nato with a big ol gift basket, and invite them all over for a Ticker Tape parade while Miracle on Ice plays on repeat.

Has me wanting to drink a New Coke, listen to some Foreigner, and watch “The Breakfast Club.”

 

[BMoore2]

Russia will take Ukraine, but it's pretty obvious already that this has been a major blunder on Putin's part. He is done as a credible world leader, no matter what "the Donald" thinks of him. This puts Russia on a level with North Korea, Syria, and Iran.

Yep. Russia is losing its seat at the table.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

It's early but in the very off chance Ukraine can hold them off, force a retreat, etc.. what then? Have to imagine this warmongering tactic by Putin won't be taken lightly by the free world. I'd think to think we say "enough is enough" and ensure something like this never happens again.. either by strengthening military bases nearby, heavy sanctions, etc.

If Russia botches this, even just in part, I'd hope we take this opportunity to knock them down a few pegs.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

If Russia botches this, even just in part, I'd hope we take this opportunity to knock them down a few pegs.

actually we had Russia down 2016-2020 until we illegally got the diaper shittin’ demented potato

 

[warrior-cat]

I guess I get the sentiment but war is awful. Those 100+ that were just shot down and fell out of the sky were probably a bunch of terrified 20 year olds brainwashed by Putin (or forced into it). Just gut-wrenching to think about on that level.

The sad part is this and the fact that many probably have families and some young children. If you have ever been around deploying or redeploying troops and see some of these children saying goodbye to their parent, it is heart wrenching. Much of my military contractor time and civil service time at Sill was deploying troops after 9/11. I helped units prepare their equipment for movement, load their equipment on trains, plains, and ships out of several ports around the US. Also, I would lead buses that were picking up soldiers to go to the local airports to fly out to the middle east. The hardest part for me was when spouses and children (especially the children) would start crying and trying to get to their mother or father. I had to turn away on several occasions and just get in my government truck (lead vehicle) and wait until the buses were loaded and then we would take them to the airport, manifest the unit for the contracted flight, load the plane, and then send them out.

I was divorced when I deployed during the Gulf War, but my sons (twins) were there when I left and when I returned. It is one of the hardest things to do of all military life.

 

[warrior-cat]

I’m sure there’s a big motivation gap. I can believe that Russians are getting punched in the mouth early on. I do fear Russians breaking out heavier artillery

As cold as this sounds it would be the smart thing to do. If you have it, use it to avoid your loss of life.

 

[warrior-cat]

Any chance the Chinese double cross Putin, and leave Russia out to dry? Chinese banks are limiting financing for commodities from Russia today.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

Doubt it but, one can hope.

 

[AustinTXCat]

As cold as this sounds it would be the smart thing to do. If you have it, use it to avoid your loss of life.

Yep. Conservation of forces. It's how nations prevail.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

.. oh, and Hacksaw Jim Duggan comes running out with a 2x4 and the American Flag yelling "U-S-A.. U-S-A.. U-S-A.. HOOOOOOO!"

 

[warrior-cat]

Russia will take Ukraine, but it's pretty obvious already that this has been a major blunder on Putin's part. He is done as a credible world leader, no matter what "the Donald" thinks of him. This puts Russia on a level with North Korea, Syria, and Iran.

I don't know, some think that once he has the Ukraine he will continue once he has put pressure on Germany and a few other NATO countries with energy supply restraints (could take a couple of years) to disban NATO so he could take the Baltic states next. Far-fetched? Maybe.

 

[warrior-cat]

Has me wanting to drink a New Coke, listen to some Foreigner, and watch “The Breakfast Club.”

"Don't you, forget about me."

 

[warrior-cat]

Yep. Russia is losing its seat at the table.

I don't know, the table these days is scared.

 

[FtWorthCat]

Russia is insignificant economically, and this destroys any chance of that changing any time soon. Putin is now an outcast. Every big event planned to take place in Russia is being cancelled. He has basically destroyed his own country, and his people are starting to realize it. He is making their lives a lot tougher.

It is being assumed that he informed China before he invaded. Any chance he didn't?

 

[AustinTXCat]

I don't know, some think that once he has the Ukraine he will continue once he has put pressure on Germany and a few other NATO countries with energy supply restraints (could take a couple of years) to disban NATO so he could take the Baltic states next. Far-fetched? Maybe.

Not far-fetched at all. Finland imports 100% of their natural gas and 75% of petroleum from Russia. Finland is also considered a qausi associate NATO member. Definite power play.

 

[WallMashKyBall]

I hated the way Trump behaved but a number of his policies have played out to be correct for the current climate. In many ways he was his own worst enemy. Had he put any effort into toning himself down he’d still be in office.

Yeah if he had toned down the raping of the election/constitution, not bragged about being famous and grabbing pu_ssy, not been sued for sex assault by 32 women, not had his accounting firm dump him, not mocked a a real hero McCain for being captured, not made fun of cerebral palsy victims, not called women horse faced and bleeding from all over, not paid off a porn star, not called everyone he hates a schoolyard silly name, , not told us to drink bleach, not tried to bribe Ukraine into making up dirt on Biden, not called African nations shiz-holes, if he changed his DNA into a nicer guy, he might be a totally different guy. But no, his soul is always total piece of garbage.

 

[Canned Heat]

Russians were tired as being non relevant. This is their chance. But can China put up the fight? Will they?
revenge is sometimes the point of madness

 

[Bill Derington]

I don't know, the table these days is scared.

China and Russia want to upend the table.

I think we all, and I’m including myself, need to grasp what’s likely happening.
Putin isn’t crazy, mad, or sick like we’re being told. China and Russia realize the West is weak.
After allowing Russia to capture a sovereign state that Putin thinks should be part of Russia what are the odds we’ll lift a finger to stop China from taking Taiwan? Especially after agreeing with the one China policy.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

Russians were tired as being non relevant. This is their chance. But can China put up the fight? Will they?
revenge is sometimes the point of madness

China got their asses kicked by India on that border fallout a couple of years ago. They were snapping their Chinese necks

 

[vhcat70]

if he gets killed the West will pay a huge price for letting his Country down.

Then, Bill, what should we have done? Thanks.

 

[RunninRichie]

I told you guys the Russians would get bogged down. I'm sticking with it. They may be able to eventually win but it's not going to be easy. Had a long talk today with a guy who believes the Russians are our military superiors. Whatever.

I don't want us involved but I don't mind if the equipment that kills Russians is delivered by the Americans and the Brits.

their warfare consists of using armored vehicles. thats why their soldiers only carry 3 mags, because they reload on the vehicles. America would whip their ass. Our javelins are tearing up their tanks.

 

[warrior-cat]

Yeah if he had toned down the raping of the election/constitution, not bragged about being famous and grabbing pu_ssy, not been sued for sex assault by 32 women, not had his accounting firm dump him, not mocked a a real hero McCain for being captured, not made fun of cerebral palsy victims, not called women horse faced and bleeding from all over, not paid off a porn star, not called everyone he hates a schoolyard silly name, , not told us to drink bleach, not tried to bribe Ukraine into making up dirt on Biden, not called African nations shiz-holes, if he changed his DNA into a nicer guy, he might be a totally different guy. But no, his soul is always total piece of garbage.

You never answered me when I ask when and where you served after calling me a traitor.

 

[vhcat70]

I guess I get the sentiment but war is awful. Those 100+ that were just shot down and fell out of the sky were probably a bunch of terrified 20 year olds brainwashed by Putin (or forced into it). Just gut-wrenching to think about on that level.

Gut-wrenching for Russian moms who let their sons go into Putin's army. Outside that, I DGAS.

 

[vhcat70]

I’m a huge fan of the Wall Street Journal. Their editorial section is definitely conservative, but their straight news reporting is pretty solid.

Exactly. Read it for an hour+ every morning. Can't wait to go out and get it at 10 below & 8" of snow to get my fingers on their paper.

 

[CastleRubric]

Russia is insignificant economically, and this destroys any chance of that changing any time soon. Putin is now an outcast. Every big event planned to take place in Russia is being cancelled. He has basically destroyed his own country, and his people are starting to realize it. He is making their lives a lot tougher.

It is being assumed that he informed China before he invaded. Any chance he didn't?

Ref them being economically insignificant - i think i know where you’re coming fm...you’re looking at them from maybe a GDP output type metric - ?

Yet - it does SEEM to me that economics and economic decision making are themes that appear to be noticeably relevant to Russia being characterized as Rogue / Suspect or whatever

I’m thinking about how they utilize independent banking mechanisms and assert for similar autonomy for others (rejecting external banking/loaning is written into the Minsk Agnt)

Their natural gas pipelines and the sway / influence that has on Europe (and the most industrial nation - Germany) is a significant and recurring economic issue that arises

Migrating away from the US dollar and striking agreements with China (others) ) where the exchanges are based on the Ruble and / Remimbi (sp?) — seems to be an economic angle that prompts reactions indicating economic importance

They are a huge oil exporter and an arms dealer who boasts the worlds best anti-aircraft defense system

There’s probably more but my point is that - they probably aren’t what anyone would classify as an economic powerhouse. —-

But they are economically important on the world stage - and their economic decision making is weighing in and influencing the actions of others as well

 

[AustinTXCat]

Russia is insignificant economically, and this destroys any chance of that changing any time soon. Putin is now an outcast. Every big event planned to take place in Russia is being cancelled. He has basically destroyed his own country, and his people are starting to realize it. He is making their lives a lot tougher.

It is being assumed that he informed China before he invaded. Any chance he didn't?

Nyet. Russia is the leading natural gas exporter on the planet and #3 ranked petroleum exporter.

 

[CastleRubric]

Gut-wrenching for Russian moms who let their sons go into Putin's army. Outside that, I DGAS.

Irrespective of how any of us derive opinions and positions on the current conflict — it can’t be stressed enough how predictably tragic and unjust it is that nearly every nation sends the same types of ppl into the. actual fighting —

while other , similar cadres of humanity drive or couch the conflict - often for personal or ideological gain

So i believe it’s RIGHT and very appropriate that we stop occasionally and consider those who aren’t doing the fighting and how very little they have to do with instigating or profiting fm campaigns often influenced by banks and other international institutions

 

[Horatius Cocles]

The same cast of hateful misfits that have made the political board a cesspool of orange have ruined this thread as well.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

their warfare consists of using armored vehicles. thats why their soldiers only carry 3 mags, because they reload on the vehicles. America would whip their ass. Our javelins are tearing up their tanks.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

The same cast of hateful misfits that have made the political board a cesspool of orange have ruined this thread as well.

Your next name should be Hillary Cankles.

 

[CastleRubric]

Exactly. Read it for an hour+ every morning. Can't wait to go out and get it at 10 below & 8" of snow to get my fingers on their paper.

Damnit vanhalen —

You need to speak to economic angles and issues more then ....

That’s a strong and important angle to everything happening -

How well do you understand the forces and issues related to like hyperinflation?

Cause i don’t even get it from a conceptual level

You should share some of what you’re reading maybe 1/week and see what happens

ANNNND if you HAVE been doing that and i’ve missed it — then disregard this post cause i am an idiot

 

[warrior-cat]

Your next name should be Hillary's Cankles.

FIFY

 

[the nail at the foul line]

FIFY

 

[AustinTXCat]

The same cast of hateful misfits that have made the political board a cesspool of orange have ruined this thread as well.

Translation: Facts are irrelevant.

 

[warrior-cat]

And this is what liberals want for our next pres? We are a laughing stock now, if she ever made it the clown circus would be out of control.

 

[Dubya C Dubya]

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Bill Clinton convinced them to give up their nukes or this war doesn’t happen. They traded their Nukes for Molatov cocktails. SMH

Liberals ruin every single thing they touch.

 

[UnfrozenCatfanLawyer]

 

[JumperJack]

^Can’t remember where I saw it (Apple News), but one publication had an article on Putin and talked about how he doesn’t sense danger. Unique type of sociopath. He is a genius but not by that much, apparently. Is making a lot of stupid mistakes.

Very, VERY dangerous times.