Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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If Azov is only 900 members and Zelensky is Jewish...
Why doesn't he ban Azov and any Nazi or Fascist parties? He banned all pro Russia parties when he took office... along with all opposition parties. It seems like such a simple thing. You have 900 nazis in your army and the world is worried about it... Why not just get rid of those nazis? I would. You would. Who wouldn't?
He banned the pro-Russian parties in March, 2022, but not “all” opposition parties. He took office in May of 2019.
Ukraine to ban 11 political parties with ties to Russia
"Any activity of politicians aimed at splitting or collaborating will not succeed," Zelensky said.
www.axios.com
There are 120 political parties in Ukraine.
Political parties - Ukraine
www.nationsencyclopedia.com
I pointed that out before and you people said I was overstating the political devide in Ukraine. Dude.... You are begging for nuclear war with the caveat that you didn't ask for it. Jesus H Christ.He banned the pro-Russian parties in March, 2022, but not “all” opposition parties. He took office in May of 2019.
Ukraine to ban 11 political parties with ties to Russia
"Any activity of politicians aimed at splitting or collaborating will not succeed," Zelensky said.
There are 120 political parties in Ukraine.
Political parties - Ukraine
www.nationsencyclopedia.com
Huh?
Appeasing dictators has a bad track record . . . such appeasement leading to the only war in which nuclear weapons were used.
There is very little chance Putin wishes to go out in a nuclear blaze of glory.
If cowering to the will of Putin is worthwhile to prohibit nuclear war, then he can threaten it to control/take the world.
There are also Jews in Azov, must are not neo-nazi's. Do you ever research anything?
BBFGa, the counter-argument, oft-repeated, above, is that there are Jewish Nazis.
You dudes do you. Im out. You want ww3 and the media has convinced you. My only hope is that when shit gets really bad that you accept a small amount blame. I know you won't but it's all i got.
We will wreck Russia in open combat and China will use our intervention as a reason to invade the soloman islands and Taiwain. Iran will launch a full fledge invasion of Iraq... You guys need to realize how bad the world looks at Joe.
He is a senile old man and nobody in the world is emboldened by his presidcency.
The Blitzkrieg has become more Sitzkrieg.
And the “main battle tank,” the primary instrument of the Blitzkreig, has been shown to be a death trap.
Any youngster joining any military, today, should ask to be infantry . . . to march at least 100 meters from any armored vehicle.
Yep. [Responding to your post from this past Wednesday.] I had neglected to keep “up to date” on this thread, and I got 4+ days and 12+ pages behind. Don’t think I’m going to bother reading all the intervening stuff since it’s probably the same points being made over and over…..
And in related news, Switzerland has cast aside 215 years of neutrality, and the Pope and Dali Llama have issued a joint communique telling Russia “to F@ck Off!”
False. You are part of the loon fringe posted about earlier.
As for prices, they were going up long before Russia invaded Ukraine. More proof of the lunacy.
No doubt. Very revealing. Not the show Putin was expected to put on from a military perspective. War is evil and saddening, but this war has done real damage to Russia and Putin in many ways.
And in fairness, two days in, you said it could go years.
Looking at it from purely the Russian point-of-view, I don’t see a good “out.”
To take and possess all of Ukraine would likely take a year or more of Kiev/Stalingrad like sieges, then a decade battling an insurgency and altogether 200K casualties. This would likely reduce Ukraine’s population by 30-50 percent, mostly by folks leaving, and the drain of talent would be massive to the West.
Add in the long-term consequences of the sanctions, plus the loss of Russian population, and this is catastrophic.
Putin has successfully reimposed many of the Soviet era restraints, with a massive, glaring exception: there are no longer tens-of-thousands of security personnel manning exit points from his “empire.” Tons of folks are leaving by the day to Georgia, Finland, etc. And most who are leaving have some assets and many are talented professionals.
They’d best find a small objective, predict it as a coming victory, “achieve” it and get the Hell out, like they did in Afghanistan.
I have a couple of Russian friends. They see this as being more detrimental to Russia than Afghanistan was to the old Soviet Union.
Putin’s folk are Sabre-rattling with Sweden and Finland, now.
Putin doesn’t want to mess with Sweden, especially while his troops are bogged down in Ukraine. Sweden has a good Navy, and might have developed the best anti-drone weapon on earth.
When Russia was in a war with the Afghans, the detriment was more internal. Outsiders may have taken some joy from the quagmire and/or vocal supported Afghanistan (and there was definitely under-the-table support for the Afghans), but outside the Soviet Bloc, people are not only pro-Ukraine, they are adamantly anti-Russia and demonstratively supporting Ukraine. I would be interested in hearing how your Russian friends feel.
I went to a Christmas dinner at a Russian’s home in 2005.
My friend, I’ll call him “Ivan” had flown his wife’s Mom to the US and “Babushka” prepared the meal. Ivan and his gorgeous Russian wife had just had their first child, and grandmaw was spending weeks of quality time with the grandchild.
The old lady, dressed “to the nines” served us as we sat at the table, and off-handily mentioned that it was Stalin’s birthday. [December 18th or 19th, IIRC].
My girlfriend was not a history buff, and I was eating a WWII generation babushka’s meal, so I gently prodded Ivan about his thinking on Stalin. He said Stalin had killed almost as many Russians as Hitler, but he afforded him some respect in defeating Hitler. His Mom seemed to agree in a very understated, quiet way. Ivan’s wife is half-a-head taller than him, and the ultimate Russian beauty queen with advanced degrees in mathematics, and gave no more of a shit to talk history or politics than my GF did.
Ivan told me that evening he had literally refused “to step forward” in a military alignment to volunteer to go to Afghanistan, and loudly suggested no one else do so, in front of his superiors.
He told me that evening, and repeatedly over a two year time period to not trust Putin, and that Putin was just a retread Commie and KGB thug.
[Edit: And more recently, the American/Russian conversation I have had was very pro-Ukraine . . . and that source attends a Ukrainian Church].
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Think of the massive diaspora of Central and Eastern Europeans the last two hundred years.
Spit hard enough in Chicago and the wind might carry it to the face of a Latvian, Lithuanian and a Pole, simultaneously. I suspect the same is true in many Western European states/cities.
Hell, in rural Central Kentucky, I had a 6’6” Hungarian goon sitting behind me in a Chemistry class, his folks escaping Hungary in ‘56. He liked to smack the back of my head when the teacher turned toward to blackboard, and I got busted smacking him back, because I had to turn around.
So I took a very small switchblade knife to class, and as his legs were so long his knees were right next to my desk, I could wait for the teacher to turn, and stick the point of the blade in his right kneecap, then fold my arms before the teacher turned to see why he screamed. [We were a little rough in the day.].
I’ve never met (or stabbed) anyone from Afghanistan.
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I do not have a dog in this fight and I don't want anything to do with either country. Since WWII America has had a habit of going around the world and picking a fight with someone, then after a decade or so and loss of American life just walk away and find some where else to go. I was in the Army during the Vietnam War and saw it up close. America did not want to win that war and ended up getting our butts kicked and all of Vietnam communist. Thank you LBJ
Like most on here I too know someone from that area of the world. I have a lifelong friend who is married to a man from Ukraine. He came on a visit to Florida about a decade ago to see a friend. He moved and became a citizen during the Trump Administration. He told me Ukraine was probably one of the most corrupt countries on earth. That is why he and his family left for good. It is funny how America is drawn to corrupt countries around the globe.
No matter what happens many Americans will get rich because of this and a lot of Generals will get some extra stars. Isn't that the American way?
Like most on here I too know someone from that area of the world. I have a lifelong friend who is married to a man from Ukraine. He came on a visit to Florida about a decade ago to see a friend. He moved and became a citizen during the Trump Administration. He told me Ukraine was probably one of the most corrupt countries on earth. That is why he and his family left for good. It is funny how America is drawn to corrupt countries around the globe.
No matter what happens many Americans will get rich because of this and a lot of Generals will get some extra stars. Isn't that the American way?
Huh? We aren't involved. Yes, Ukraine is something like the 60th most corrupt country. It was much worse a bit further back in time. Regardless, the world can't sit back and just let Russia commit atrocities like they are. This isn't a US thing, its a developed world thing.
"He told me that evening, and repeatedly over a two year time period to not trust Putin, and that Putin was just a retread Commie and KGB thug."
That he is, and it's common knowledge. No one trusts Putin, just like no one should trust Ukraine's leadership.
Switzerland has not been neutral on this since Russia marched into Ukraine. Old news. Switzerland is also the headquarters for the oligarch that runs Zelensky and through him Ukraine. Y'all need to brush up on who actually runs these politicians and countries. You'd be very surprised if you actually read about the history of commercial and organizational influence in conflicts going back hundreds of years.
That he is, and it's common knowledge. No one trusts Putin, just like no one should trust Ukraine's leadership.
Switzerland has not been neutral on this since Russia marched into Ukraine. Old news. Switzerland is also the headquarters for the oligarch that runs Zelensky and through him Ukraine. Y'all need to brush up on who actually runs these politicians and countries. You'd be very surprised if you actually read about the history of commercial and organizational influence in conflicts going back hundreds of years.
So a guy pushes a women off platform into a train. How do you have a dog in that fight? Or don't you?
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So why is this a good thing and Ukraine joining NATO is not? Finland is as much on Russia's border as Ukraine. Why does anyone want to have to defend these two?
The idea is that Trump liked Putin and has been supportive of his invasion of Ukraine, so some of his fans are, as well.
You are overstating. Number of parties speaks nothing to each's support level. How many Ukrainians are supporting Russia?
“Why did he do it? There are two ways of looking at this question. One way, the fashionable way in the West, is to plumb the recesses of Putin’s twisted mind and try to determine what’s happening in his deep psyche.
“The other way would be to look at the facts: for example, that in September 2021 the United States came out with a strong policy statement, calling for enhanced military cooperation with Ukraine, further sending of advanced military weapons, all part of the enhancement programme of Ukraine joining Nato. You can take your choice, we don’t know which is right. What we do know is that Ukraine will be further devastated. And we may move on to terminal nuclear war if we do not pursue the opportunities that exist for a negotiated settlement.”
www.newstatesman.com
“The other way would be to look at the facts: for example, that in September 2021 the United States came out with a strong policy statement, calling for enhanced military cooperation with Ukraine, further sending of advanced military weapons, all part of the enhancement programme of Ukraine joining Nato. You can take your choice, we don’t know which is right. What we do know is that Ukraine will be further devastated. And we may move on to terminal nuclear war if we do not pursue the opportunities that exist for a negotiated settlement.”
Noam Chomsky: “We’re approaching the most dangerous point in human history”
The US professor, now 93, on the climate catastrophe and the threat of nuclear war.
www.newstatesman.com
Pretty much everything you posted is incorrect. Where do you get this stuff from anyway? What's your source? Much like the precious few neo-nazi's in this country, in general they cause no problems so there is no need to "get rid" of them. I'd love to hear what you think I'm "thick as 5 day old honey" over.
You would link Chomsky.“Why did he do it? There are two ways of looking at this question. One way, the fashionable way in the West, is to plumb the recesses of Putin’s twisted mind and try to determine what’s happening in his deep psyche.
“The other way would be to look at the facts: for example, that in September 2021 the United States came out with a strong policy statement, calling for enhanced military cooperation with Ukraine, further sending of advanced military weapons, all part of the enhancement programme of Ukraine joining Nato. You can take your choice, we don’t know which is right. What we do know is that Ukraine will be further devastated. And we may move on to terminal nuclear war if we do not pursue the opportunities that exist for a negotiated settlement.”
Noam Chomsky: “We’re approaching the most dangerous point in human history”
The US professor, now 93, on the climate catastrophe and the threat of nuclear war.
Oh yes we are involved.... very much so. Yes, I know we don't have troops in harm's way, but we are fighting a proxy war with Russia with Ukraine as the intermediary - just look at all the weapons, logistical support, etc. that we are providing to them.
I don't count limited indirect help as being involved. I realize some folks do.
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