Reeves Against Real Competition
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All of that is correct. But if Reeves, who is about a 40% shooter against teams that don't have a number beside their name doesn't do his casper routine, we win
Reed is a good energy guy who deserves more playing time, but he isn’t a top 2-3 scoring option on a team right now. Reeves is a third scoring option, or should be maybe second on some nights. Reed and dilly should get more mins but Wagner should be the one losing mins, he hurt Kentucky far more than reeves did tonight
If Wagner and Edwards don’t play like absolute crap Kentucky wins. Two McDonald’s Americans playing terrible was far more weighting than reeves
If Wagner and Edwards show up, we win. To lay the blame solely at the feet of someone who scored 24 is insane. DJ and Justin are more of a reason we lost than Antonio. If he doesn’t score 24, we lose by 20.
Mitchell only took 4 shots. He needed to be more involved.
I didnt watch half 2 , but read several times " Reeves was the only guy able to get a shot off". Well, WHY ? The guy mapping the X and o's is why . AR seems like fine young man , and hes good for an eye opening game like Arky last year , but in amongst those great games is a ton of below average ones . I tend to agree with the OP , hes not the kind of guy you win EE games with , let alone FF .
Getting his shot off may not be the right word. Wagner/Edwards couldn’t hit the ocean if they fell out of a boat. Edwards bricked a dunk. Wagner had multiple missed layups some of which never hit the rim. We shouldn’t need to rely on Reeves to score 24 to win a game as we have too many other good players. He just shouldn’t be blamed for a loss when he does score 24 points because those other players failed to show up. He took a lot of shots but I can’t think of any that were forced. They came within the flow of the offense because his teammates where looking for him because the others simply didn’t have it last night.
lack of coaching and play design are the reason that no one can get open shots.
How do other teams with less athletic guards get wide open shots, yet UK can not.
The answer is simple, play design. UK rarely if ever runs back doors, pick and roll, or just sets screens
to get a guy open
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and yet this former NBA coach was supposed to be the answer to the scoring droughts. Everyone knew
that ccc was not going to listen to anyone. It is his way or the highway.
To me it’s more of a clutch factor, he def gets tight at the end of close games, for a guy that shoots so pure when he is hot it is crazy how many shots (including free throws) he misses in tight games. This is why DJ, Dilly or Reed has to take and make those shots.
He was involved with trying to slow down their big guys. Worked his rear off on the defensive side. But, yes I was hoping he would score more.
another example of poor coaching
they track everything, so someone on that bench should know how many shots he has taken.
I didnt see it , but in that scenario why cant we get a set that produces an attempt from Dilly, Reed or even Mitchell from 3 ? Or an iso for Their ? If Antonio is ice cold go get attempts from someone else .
I still love him. He killed it against a good Arkansas team. I’d still roll with him. Wagner might be the real problem. He can’t create like Dilly. He’s not as quick and has a broken shot.
Reed was facilitating/running the point
Dillingham was making dumb fouls and couldn't stay on the court
Mitchell seemed hesitant to shoot for some odd reason
Thiero was not getting any calls when he drove and is not a shooter
Burks played with great energy, but isn't a scorer yet
Edwards and DJ..... what a bad time for a bad night from both
We had NO post presence
Reeves was really the only option we had to go with late. Almost none of his shots were forced. Several were pretty open he just didn't hit them. We drew up two good plays for out last two possessions, he missed two on the second to last and KU over played him and forced the ball to the other side on the last one.
There wasn't many other options besides Reeves. I agree we won't win many when he is 3-17 from 3, but he took almost all of them in rhythm.
Dillingham was making dumb fouls and couldn't stay on the court
Mitchell seemed hesitant to shoot for some odd reason
Thiero was not getting any calls when he drove and is not a shooter
Burks played with great energy, but isn't a scorer yet
Edwards and DJ..... what a bad time for a bad night from both
We had NO post presence
Reeves was really the only option we had to go with late. Almost none of his shots were forced. Several were pretty open he just didn't hit them. We drew up two good plays for out last two possessions, he missed two on the second to last and KU over played him and forced the ball to the other side on the last one.
There wasn't many other options besides Reeves. I agree we won't win many when he is 3-17 from 3, but he took almost all of them in rhythm.
He can miss shot after shot with the best of them. Wagner following in his footsteps.
I was expecting him to shoot some 3’s but then he probably just miss them like he did most of his free throws
Did anyone say he was “the problem” or is that something you’ve made up? I didn’t say that. I just pointed out the painfully obvious reality that the dude from Illinois State still can’t get it done against legit D1 teams. Is he “the problem”? No. But he’s a problem.
Missed late? He was 3-17 from 3. That is 17.6%! He shot UK out of the game. He needs to be throttled down and more of his shots need to go to others.
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3-17 from 3. Nope not the problem at all. 17.6% is awesome.
Now do everyone else. Dilly and Reed were in foul trouble. Wagner was air balling layups. Edwards was bricking dunks and scored 1 point. Mitchell was scared to shoot and missing free throws. Adou was missing shots around the rim without getting any foul calls. Who would you want taking shots? Reeves was not the problem. “Fans” like you who can’t see the forest for the trees are the problem.
Who should get those shots? See my post above. Reeves was the only reason we were in the game the second half. Dilly and Reed get credit for the first half but they were in foul trouble the second half. Dilly had some incredibly stupid fouls.
People keep saying things like this, but here’s reality. From the 10 minute mark:
9:48 - Reeves misses 3
8:35 - Shepherd hits 3
7:19 - Reeves misses 3
7:18 - Reeves misses 2
7:18 - Thiero makes FT
6:35 - Thiero makes tip shot
6:03 Reeves makes 2 and FT
5:43 - Shepherd makes 2
3:46 - Reeves makes 2 FT
3:14 - Reeves makes 2
[UK leading 83-81]
2:41 - Reeves misses 3
1:48 - Reeves misses 3
1:33 - Mitchell makes FT
1:00 - Reeves misses 3
:50 - Reeves misses 3
Seems to me there were other guys, alongside him, keeping us in the game and Reeves missed 4 threes in two minutes to take us right out of the game.
Reaves need to cut down on the step back threes but overall he’s the only reason in the 2nd half we were in the game. Drawing fouls and getting to the line. Wagner and Edward’s being no shows along with rob fouling out in just 16 minutes forced him to try and carry the load offensively. Who else was going to score? Burks lol? Theiro can’t create offense. I mean he didn’t have a choice
All those threes were open. I’m good with them. Why were those misses more important or impactful than Dilly or Reeds turnover? At least those shots had the possibility to go in. The turnovers don’t. Reeves has shown that he can hit those shots. He didn’t last night or against Kansas St last year but he certainly did against Arkansas and Tennessee last year.
They were not all open. And he took a couple of them without a single pass in the half court. The dude literally missed seven threes in the span shown above.
I won’t rehash it, and you’re welcome to look up his stats yourself, but far more often against good competition he struggles. And this is another night that shows that he is an Illinois State talent and not a Kentucky talent.
That doesn’t mean they were bad shots. They weren’t forced shots. I don’t necessarily like the step back threes but they were still not forced.
OP should've just directed this at Wagner and Edwards. Reeves kept UK in the game.
10 pts vs Michigan last year
11 pts vs Gonzaga last year
20 pts vs Bama last year
18 pts vs Tennessee last year
23 pts vs Texas AM last year
10 pts vs Kansas last year
27 pts vs Ole Miss last year
11 pts vs Arkansas last year
16 pts at Florida last year
21 pts vs Auburn last year
37 pts at Arkansas last year
22 pts vs Providence in the NCAAT last year
I mean, what are some people on here smoking? Is it recreational, legal, smuggled?!?
No one else was making shots except Dilly and Reed. Both were in foul trouble. Both made freshman mistakes as time was running down that resulted in multiple KU baskets. Dilly took a couple horrible shots including one airball. Reed threw the ball away a couple of times when he should have shot it. Who deserved those shots? Who else would've taken them and made them?
He still scored 24 points and we lose by 20+ without him. No one else showed they wanted to step up and take those shots.
Also remember, Reeves really wasn't given much opportunity until later in the year when Cal had no choice but to play him. I don't remember exactly when that was but his production went up when he was given extended playing time.
The trend line from the past two big games is headed the wrong direction; we'll have to wait and see if it reverses directions. Hopefully it will, but who knows.
3 for 17 isn't broken? lol. I guess it's just broken when it really matters. That's a HUGE problem. I mean that's FOURTEEN possessions gone. If he plays zero minutes last night and those are divided up between the other guys, we almost assuredly win. Sick of him trying to be the man in the crunch and shooting NBA threes.
Who gets them? 1-12 shooting Wagner who airballed a layup? O-6 shooting Edwards who bricked a dunk? Dilly who airballed a 3 late in the game and the fouled out? Mitchell who couldn't hit free throws when they mattered because he was dead tired from his defensive effort? Adou who isn't a shooter? Burks who airballed a 3? Sheppard who had a layup and tried to kick it out which resulted in a TO? Who else should have taken those shots?
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