So looking for more back end of the rotation type guys. I'm Ok with that as long as they're capable innings eaters.
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I don't think the Reds will be able to sign anyone one superstar player that they don't already have via free agency that is the instant game changer unless they go to the trade market. The Reds best acquisitions that they don't develop of their own have come through the trade market rather than free agency and that's fine when you are stocked up like the Reds are likely needing to move a few without a clear path to Cincinnati blocked right now. Krall will have to be willing to do so in order to make it happen. The Reds best bet is targeting a ground ball pitcher. I also think Sonny Gray is probably out of the Reds price range but who knows for sure. Gray and Kyle Gibson were two of the best pitchers in getting ground ball outs this year and Lorenzen wasn't too bad himself. Gibson may be a realistic option who was affordable for Baltimore and won 15 games.
I think when they make an acquisition, they need to go into it with a goal in mind for how long they want to contend with this core group of youth, before they need to have another fire sale. is this going to be a 2-3 year run, try to win a WS then sell off, or do they want a prolonged run of 6-7 years where they shoot for multiple pennants or WS runs? It would be preferable for them to land somebody with 2-3 years of control, but we also don't want to end up with another Moose situation either.
I completely agree. The returning star player if they go through a trade needs to have some years left on the contract or a sign and trade like Sonny Gray was for 3 years here. It's hard for the Reds to get All-Stars through free agency to commit long term without an opt out and leave Cincinnati like Nick Castellanos. Those are the impact level bats the Reds need. Hopefully they can find another Castellanos that can give the lineup some power in the OF and stick around more than 2 years. I looked around at each team's depth charts for realistic OF options that could get moved. Wonder if the Reds have a shot at landing an outfielder like Eloy Jimenez while the White Sox are moving on from their stars like Tim Anderson.
As far as free agents, it's safe to assume Bellinger is not coming here. Some realistic FA OF options that Cincinnati could potentially sign JD Martinez, Joc Pederson, Teoscar Hernandez, Adam Duvall, Jorge Soler, Tommy Pham, Kevin Kiermaier, Eddie Rosario, Michael Brantley & Randal Grichuk. A reunion with Pham seems unlikely, not high on my list anyway. Arizona probably wants him back.
A player like Castellanos might have stuck around if the Reds had been serious about contending in his opt out year. I think the youth movement has accelerated their ability to contend as soon as next season, a year or two sooner than most people thought. If you want to avoid players opting out don't have fire sales and act like you want to put a contender on the field.
It's just the nature of the beast being a small market team. When pay day comes for the Reds players, have to prioritize which ones will be kept and do a better job sustaining the farm system to plug and go when those players do leave that way the floor is nowhere near the 100 loss season in those rebuilds. Cincinnati has a good one now and deep enough to add a player Cincinnati might not normally be able to have. Keeping the farm system loaded and properly developing these young guys is the Reds plan. I like the emphasis they have put on College pitchers recently to help soften that blow in between fire sales. Hopefully the Reds do win big in 2024, attendance and TV ratings go up and help bring some additional revenue to the team.
Anybody would be an upgrade to the likes of Senzel & Fairchild out there in the outfield to include Tommy Pham which would be a better fit this time around on a team as a missing piece more than the stop gap he was on the 100 loss team. Reds were quick to ditch the Hunter Renfroe experiment before he had a fair chance to prove himself with only 2 weeks and are out there looking for someone to replace what they wanted out of him. A hard hitting RF with raw power. I like JD Martinez the most out of that list and Rosario would bring excitement. Kiermaier's bat won't be an upgrade but he is an excellent defender.
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Cubs hiring Counsell is a power move. Definitely an attention grabber. Reds need to make some serious moves this offseason. No ****ing around.
Nick Martinez is the type of pitcher that Cincinnati would really benefit from. Got some postseason experience with the Padres and is durable enough to slide back and forth between the rotation and bullpen.
Would be a waste of money to add another infielder to the equation. Jeimer Candelario does not suddenly make the Reds better and each infielder especially Marte & CES who are corner infielders like Candelario obviously have way more upside. Money should be spent upgrading the bullpen, an ace or an outfielder. May as well save the money here to give someone an extension. https://www.redlegnation.com/2023/1...ing-interest-in-free-agent-jeimer-candelario/
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Reds prospects shine in AFL Championship Game - Redleg Nation
The Cincinnati Reds had a trio of prospects help the Surprise Saguaros win the Arizona Fall League Championship game on Saturday night.
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Reported to non-tender Nick Senzel, trade India. May sign Michael Wacha or bring back Wade Miley. https://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fa...enzel-and-trade-jonathan-india-this-offseason Miley is better than nothing but age and durability with his injury history are a concern. Would expect his match ups vs Chicago to be struggles with Counsell managing him in Milwaukee. Wacha would be good and has significant postseason experience.
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Reds Sign P.J. Higgins To Minor League Deal
The Reds signed former Cubs catcher P.J. Higgins to a minor league contract and invited him to spring training. Read more at MLB Trade Rumors.
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The Nick Senzel era is officially over in Cincinnati. Derek Law & Reiver Sanmartin nontendered as well.
Law was pretty solid for most of the season. Or at least I thought he was. Not sure why they let him go.
Would have preferred a trade, but unless you move some of the other dead weights like Fairchild and either Fraley or Benson, this didn't solve anything.
Krall pretty much said as much. They looked into a trade but there was no interest.
Kyle Gibson off the board 1 year, $12 million. A groundball pitcher, veteran innings eater that won 15 games in the AL East with Baltimore. Washed up Lance Lynn got $10 million to return to St. Louis. Looking more like the Reds are better off staying with the pitchers they have and let them develop. Can't speed up their development but hope they can stay relatively healthy. The pitchers I saw rumored from Seattle (Woo & Miller) for India are not upgrades to Greene, Lodolo, Williamson or Phillips.
Sonny Gray is likely to get well above $20 million from whoever is lucky enough to get him, sounds like Atlanta. Declined a $20.35 million qualifying offer. The $12.7 million option he had last year with Minnesota was a bargain so he won't be coming back here. Cincinnati doesn't need to settle and move any player for the hell of making a trade unless it improves this team with a proven 30 HR/100 RBI outfielder or a top of the rotation ace with experience. Also need reliable setup relievers before Diaz.
Sonny Gray is likely to get well above $20 million from whoever is lucky enough to get him, sounds like Atlanta. Declined a $20.35 million qualifying offer. The $12.7 million option he had last year with Minnesota was a bargain so he won't be coming back here. Cincinnati doesn't need to settle and move any player for the hell of making a trade unless it improves this team with a proven 30 HR/100 RBI outfielder or a top of the rotation ace with experience. Also need reliable setup relievers before Diaz.
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I wonder if the Reds will make a run at Trevor Bauer. The allegations were pretty much shown to be nonsense, and Mookie Betts gave him a favorable review as a teammate. He had an excellent year in Japan. I feel like he might be someone you can grab at a below market rate relative to his production level.
This was my thought as well. He won a Cy Young for the Reds, so he has to have some good feelings towards the organization. The guy did absolutely nothing wrong, so I would go after him. And that pathetic excuse of a woman needs to be in jail. Or worse.
Doubt they do it. While it would make sense for a lot of reasons, it is the same organization from a moral standpoint that traded Chapman away for pennies who was cleared of any criminal charges and the Yankees end up getting Gleyber Torres for him from the Cubs for the 3 month rental to win the World Series.
We don't need that kind of circus around the clubhouse. Regardless of him being cleared, he will bring negative attention around a young team that is unnecessary. Mookie Betts may have vouched for him but I seem to remember he became a Red in the first place because his previous organization Cleveland was tired of his antics. His last moment in an Indians uniform had Terry Francona yelling at him for pulling a Rob Dibble launching the ball over the CF will. The Reds need a mentor, not a loose cannon.
Cincinnati Reds sign Alex Blandino, Reiver Sanmartin to minor league deals
Old faces in old places!
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The pitcher from Japan blows my mind, I read it will take $100M to sign him, or more, and he is 5'10" tall. His stats were great in Japan, but no way in hell would I pay that kind of money on a pitcher that size, would have to be a real outlier to be effective in MLB today.
Sonny Gray has a 3 year, $75 million deal with St. Louis. Glasnow is intriguing but is injury prone. Still would move infield depth or package India to TB for him. When Tyler is healthy, he would help the Reds no doubt.
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Reds Reportedly Pursued Sonny Gray; Interested In Tyler Glasnow
Right-hander Sonny Gray is reportedly in agreement with the Cardinals on a three-year, $75MM deal. Per a report from Mark …
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I think I read Glasnow is owed $25 mil on his contract? I'd definitely want him if we knew he could stay healthy
The only way Cincinnati would be on the hook for all $25 million is if they sent no prospects in a return. The Reds would never do a salary dump deal. If the Rays want the Reds prospects, Tampa Bay will have to eat quite a bit of the salary.
Rob Dibble was just terrible for the Reds wasn't he? If you can bring back Bauer on a cheap deal, give you the ace of the staff that he was here just a couple years ago you take it. If it doesn't work out, cut him. A low-risk, high-reward signing. I don't give a damn about the perception of the league so long as the Reds win.
An article I read seemed to suggest the Rays are looking for young pitching. The Reds have plenty of young arms and drafted even more college arms this past draft that they could potentially pull off a deal without taking on so much of Glasnow's contract. Also heard Dylan Cease mentioned, Eduardo Rodriguez's name come back up. Also wouldn't be surprised if they don't look elsewhere to sign Michael Wacha, maybe bring back Lorenzen or turn to a pitcher like Seth Lugo who can go back and forth between the rotation and bullpen.
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Those are all much better names to be linked to than the last 2 years signing Mike Minor and then Luke Weaver in 2023. As long as one can come in, give the Reds 30+ starts it will be a huge boost to the team.
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