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Recruit more shooters/basketball players, fewer athletes.

Since it's a negative comment towards Cal, I don't doubt that you have been saying it for years. Considering that's all you ever say. In all seriousness, why are all of your comments so negative towards the program? Literally every single post that I read is negative. Do you find any enjoyment following this team?
I tend to agree with some others. This asshat is most likely Zipperhead from the Loserville board.
 
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He definitely screwed up recruiting two complete non shooting perimeter guys in this class. Which is part of my bigger concern....not sure he and the staff are adjusting to the changes (hand check rules, shooting emphasis) in cbb.
 
Jamal Murray and Derek Willis are almost exclusively shooters.

They certainly aren't playing because of their athleticism. Or defense. Or rebounding. Or passing ...

Willis is easily our leading rebounder since he was inserted into the starting line-up. He's also a pretty damn good passer. Just saying.
 
I don't know that it's as simple as saying that Calipari sacrificed a title to get the twins drafted. I can see why someone would believe that Tyler Ulis should have played 25 or 30 minutes instead of 20, sure. But it's not like they were scrubs and they had extensive tournament experience. If I'm a coach and my rotation has me at 38-0, even if a player or two isn't playing as well as the guy he's splitting minutes with I'm going to be hesitant to change that for fear of the unknown. That rotation did lead to 38-0 and it's hard to say that rotation wasn't incredible. The rotation also allowed Ulis to be more fresh when he was on the court, and the less they used him the more a change of pace he was. Squabbling over what would have made 38-1 a truly perfect 40-0, by giving Ulis a few more minutes -- I'm not saying it's unfair, but I'm saying that when UK was 38-0 not many UK fans were making that criticism with passion.

Listen, I totally agree with what your saying ride the horse til it bucks, but when it bucks you don't let the horse kill you, you get off it. Exactly what you said about the fear of the unknown is exactly right and it is Cal's doom. He's so scared to do anything that he thinks he can't control or might hurt him down the road he won't try it. There is numerous examples of this all over, but Tyler and Devin last year is just one of many. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Cal is the best recruiter, a good but not great x's and o's game-planner, but he is below average in the game. He gets out coached a ton in games and makes zero adjustments. It seems Cal's philosophy is we are going to bang this square peg in the round hole and break through or die trying but I'm never going shave the square into the circle and slide it through.
 
Recruit the studs like we are but have a coach known for teaching shooting on the staff. People seem to think we just need recruiters on the staff but I think telling a kid he'll work with a good shooting coach every day would be huge positive in recruiting.
 
Jamal Murray and Derek Willis are almost exclusively shooters.

They certainly aren't playing because of their athleticism. Or defense. Or rebounding. Or passing ...
Uh Willis has lead the team in rebounding last 5 games so.
 
Listen, I totally agree with what your saying ride the horse til it bucks, but when it bucks you don't let the horse kill you, you get off it. Exactly what you said about the fear of the unknown is exactly right and it is Cal's doom. He's so scared to do anything that he thinks he can't control or might hurt him down the road he won't try it. There is numerous examples of this all over, but Tyler and Devin last year is just one of many. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Cal is the best recruiter, a good but not great x's and o's game-planner, but he is below average in the game. He gets out coached a ton in games and makes zero adjustments. It seems Cal's philosophy is we are going to bang this square peg in the round hole and break through or die trying but I'm never going shave the square into the circle and slide it through.


What do you mean with Tyler and Devin last year?
 
Recruit the studs like we are but have a coach known for teaching shooting on the staff. People seem to think we just need recruiters on the staff but I think telling a kid he'll work with a good shooting coach every day would be huge positive in recruiting.

I agree but this would only benefit the multi-year players. Those in coaching know that it's difficult to change shooting mechanics of a player who has already developed bad habits and bad shooting mechanics, like a Briscoe. The fact is that Cal just doesn't have the time to adjust the freshman that come in here. That is something that would take an entire off season to work to fix and it's just not possible to fix from the time they arrive until the season begins. And it's not something you would adjust during the season. So, while I do agree with you on having a good shooting coach, it would help guys like Dom and Charles who are here more than a season.


As UK fans, a lot of us put way too high expectations on freshman and often forget that they're freshman. We have to take the good with the bad when dealing with freshman.
 
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Said it for years OP. UK needs more "basketball players" and less "athletes"
You mean guys like Kennard, who Cal recruited and missed on? And who is also shooting a whopping 29% from three, in an offense geared towards three point shooters.

It's not as easy as some of you try to make it out to be. Players sometime struggle, regardless if they are "basketball players" or "athletes". Makes no difference.

I will say this, though, when "basketball players" who are strictly shooters like Kennard struggle with shooting, then they pretty much offer nothing else to the team. At least when an "athlete" struggles with shooting, he can use his athleticism and contribute to the team in other ways.
 
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I don't know that it's as simple as saying that Calipari sacrificed a title to get the twins drafted. I can see why someone would believe that Tyler Ulis should have played 25 or 30 minutes instead of 20, sure. But it's not like they were scrubs and they had extensive tournament experience. If I'm a coach and my rotation has me at 38-0, even if a player or two isn't playing as well as the guy he's splitting minutes with I'm going to be hesitant to change that for fear of the unknown. That rotation did lead to 38-0 and it's hard to say that rotation wasn't incredible. The rotation also allowed Ulis to be more fresh when he was on the court, and the less they used him the more a change of pace he was. Squabbling over what would have made 38-1 a truly perfect 40-0, by giving Ulis a few more minutes -- I'm not saying it's unfair, but I'm saying that when UK was 38-0 not many UK fans were making that criticism with passion.



Great Point!!! I doubt there are many UK fans that would have subbed out the Twins at that moment in time. Booker had not been shooting well and the Twins had proven that they could rise to the occasion. Hindsight is 20/20 but at that exact moment in time, I doubt there were many fans screaming for Ulis to enter the game. You can look back at it and believe Tyler should've been in the game, although I do not, but I can see the argument, but the Twins were proven and it was the best decision at the time to go with them. Just like Cal said, they earned the right to be in that game.


I still believe that without the missed shot clock violation by Wisconsin, we win that game. Even with the poor fouling calls down the stretch. That one call was gut wrenching.
 
You mean guys like Kennard, who Cal recruited and missed on? And who is also shooting a whopping 29% from three, in an offense geared towards three point shooters.

It's not as easy as some of you try to make it out to be. Players sometime struggle, regardless if they are "basketball players" or "athletes". Makes no difference.

I will say this, though, when "basketball players" who are strictly shooters like Kennard struggle with shooting, then they pretty much offer nothing else to the team. At least when an "athlete" struggles with shooting, he can use his athleticism and contribute to the team in other ways.



Great post!!!!
 
We don't need any more guys like Briscoe. Every year we need to have a couple high % 3pt shooters. I want a guy like Lamb or Booker on our team every year, and I want a pure shooter who can come the bench and light it up from 3 too. I want a kid like Duncan Robinson from Michigan coming off our bench. We need a good 4 year player like that every year. And not a 4 year player like Hawkins. a 4 year player who can come off the bench, shoot 45% from 3 at a high volume, and give us 7-8 points a game. I know Poe's gonna kill me for this, but I'll say it again. Next year we'll have basically everything, assuming we get Bolden. But we need to add a 5th year transfer to come off the bench who can shoot. With said transfer along with Willis coming off the bench we'd have a really good shooting team. You put a 5th year transfer who can come off the bench and shoot 45 % from 3 and score 6-8 a game with Ulis, Fox, Monk, Bam, Bolden, Willis, Gabriel, Mathews, and SKJ and we're gonna dominate every opponent we play.
 
I agree but this would only benefit the multi-year players. Those in coaching know that it's difficult to change shooting mechanics of a player who has already developed bad habits and bad shooting mechanics, like a Briscoe. The fact is that Cal just doesn't have the time to adjust the freshman that come in here. That is something that would take an entire off season to work to fix and it's just not possible to fix from the time they arrive until the season begins. And it's not something you would adjust during the season. So, while I do agree with you on having a good shooting coach, it would help guys like Dom and Charles who are here more than a season.


As UK fans, a lot of us put way too high expectations on freshman and often forget that they're freshman. We have to take the good with the bad when dealing with freshman.

Up until the last 15 or maybe 20 years, freshmen were....well, freshmen. Young kids months removed from high school, no matter how good they were in high school. There were little expectations of them other than to develop and learn. In this era of the OAD, many freshmen are the focal point of a team...but they are still only months removed from high school.
 
Bull sh!t.

Tell you what, you give Briscoe Wall's speed with the dribble, ability to finish on the break, break down any defender one on one, penetrate the defense, being lethal in transition, and being a great defender himself, then I'll overlook his bad shooting.

so you mean if briscoe was a more explosive athlete, you would then pretend he was more of a basketball player than an athlete, in order to justify your own simpleton beliefs?

sounds about right
 
Up until the last 15 or maybe 20 years, freshmen were....well, freshmen. Young kids months removed from high school, no matter how good they were in high school. There were little expectations of them other than to develop and learn. In this era of the OAD, many freshmen are the focal point of a team...but they are still only months removed from high school.


Exactly! People hear these rankings and see these highlight reels against less competition and AAU ball with no defense and think these kids are world beaters. It's hilarious that some people actual thought a group of freshman starters would go undefeated in college basketball but there were a lot of fans who believed that. I've actually already heard people talk about it for next year's class. The expectations on these freshman has gotten out of control. That's typical for our fan base to take things too far but I wish some would realize that they're just freshman. Year's ago, no matter how talented the player, nobody expected much from them until at least their sophomore year. The "rankings" that started coming out have really put unrealistic expectations on players. Skal wouldn't be looked at as such a disappointment if he weren't ranked as a top 5 player. Same for Diallo at Kansas, Kennard at Duke, and so on and so on. The fact is that most freshman do struggle, no matter how talented they are because there is a adjustment period from high school to college. However, some of our fans fail to realize that and expect world beaters from day 1 on campus. It's just unrealistic. Even John Wall struggled during his year here. Anthony Davis is an exception but he has furthered the high expectations with his dominance in college. He is a once in a generation player and others should not be held to his standard. Great point poster and Great post!!!!
 
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no, he doesn't

he spends far more time yelling at his own players than at game officials

not close

you're wrong
 
Which coach do you want at UK Cut-Nets?


Coach Cal. That's what's hilarious about you pumpers man. You hate any kind of criticism of Cal. You can't take it. So instead of looking at it objectively you just accuse the people who do it of not liking Cal and wanting him gone. I love Cal. I don't want any other coach. My complaint is that he's too damn stubborn. My fear is that this stubbornness (which has already cost him a couple of titles), is going to cost him again.
 
yeah you seem like a kentucky fan

I am. I'm not like you. I don't cry when someone says Cal could do better. I look at things objectively, I don't just blindly follow. Cal could tell you to go buy ocean front property in Tennessee and you would spend your life savings on it.
 
Its going to cost him again....... and again.......and again. Dude consider us lucky if we win another title under Cal. Because thats how gosh darn hard it is to win a title.

You have to accept that ...for every coach. Even the great coach K.

Cal has made mistakes and he'll keep making mistakes. We just got to hope that one year the team and Cal will put it all together like in 2012 and win 6 straight to end the season.
 
Its going to cost him again....... and again.......and again. Dude consider us lucky if we win another title under Cal. Because thats how gosh darn hard it is to win a title.

You have to accept that ...for every coach. Even the great coach K.

Cal has made mistakes and he'll keep making mistakes. We just got to hope that one year the team and Cal will put it all together like in 2012 and win 6 straight to end the season.

Or that they get another Anthony Davis
 
he wears his stupidity and ingratitude proudly

that's what i meant

i have a bobby fischer level basketball iq and support the players and the coach. i'm smart

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Cal has his faults, but so do other coaches. This obsession with shooting is crazy, considering that most of these players people want have other deficiencies. It's great to have a lamb on the team, but that guy doesn't exist in every class. By the way, did you hear that Mulder shot 47% from 3 as a juco??

Most of the things people complain about changing likely won't make the overall result change, just makes the journey change. Much like people complaining about Cal's stubbornness, which people think cost us a title. Ever think that maybe his stubbornness was the whole reason we were even in contention. It will never be acknowledged when the things you complain about with him, that allegedly cost us one game, wins us another. Why??? Because we won, and therefore the why is not important. But you can't just changed a person's way of thinking in the times when they are wrong. That way of thinking has to be changed throughout, meaning that more than just those wrong decisions are changed, and likely makes some of the right decisions the person made, wrong.
 
Ever think that maybe his stubbornness was the whole reason we were even in contention. It will never be acknowledged when the things you complain about with him, that allegedly cost us one game, wins us another.

this is wisdom here. read it as many times as it takes to sink in
 
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Cal loves these athletic kids that can overpower you on their way to the basket. Teams comprised of players like this can win you a lot of games. But what happens when they run into a team with comparable athletes? What happens when they can't over power their opponent to the basket? I'll tell you what, they need to shoot it over them. But when they can't shoot? They lose. End of story. Cal has but one title.
So does Self, so does Izzo, so does Boeheim, , etc. Please pick one of them and stay with them.
 
Coach Cal. That's what's hilarious about you pumpers man. You hate any kind of criticism of Cal. You can't take it. So instead of looking at it objectively you just accuse the people who do it of not liking Cal and wanting him gone. I love Cal. I don't want any other coach. My complaint is that he's too damn stubborn. My fear is that this stubbornness (which has already cost him a couple of titles), is going to cost him again.
You're so full of it.
 
Judging by the OP, the OP would have passed on players like John Wall and Anthony Davis.

And most of the players Cal has recruited were good shooters in high school. He doesn't recruit someone if he thinks they're a bad shooter he's not an idiot.
 
But also look at a bunch of the guys Cal whiffed on in the 2015 class. Skilled guys like Ingram, Blakeney, Kennard, Jaylen Brown, Diallo*, Rabb, Ellenson, Thomas Bryant, Bragg, Zimmerman, Swanigan. It's not like Cal wasn't going after skilled players, he just happened to see most of them go to non-basketball or mediocre basketball schools

*Jury still out on him collegiately with Self burying him on the bench
LOL at Kennard . As bad as our team is on defense , have you seen Kennard play ? He would be the worst defensive player on our team . And he hasn't been shooting that well either .
 
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