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Dion (sigh...)
If you believe there is no Creator, then, as I said; you HAVE to believe in abiogenesis. It's not optional. It is your default position.
So you DO believe in SOMETHING. And further, you believe in something that has no proof to back it up.
There is a word for that. LOL
IOW - logically speaking, you're screwed. No amount of wriggling can get you out of THAT trap.
I have no doubt that you'll TRY, but it's impossible LOL.
If you believe there is no Creator, then, as I said; you HAVE to believe in abiogenesis. It's not optional. It is your default position.
So you DO believe in SOMETHING. And further, you believe in something that has no proof to back it up.
There is a word for that. LOL
IOW - logically speaking, you're screwed. No amount of wriggling can get you out of THAT trap.
I have no doubt that you'll TRY, but it's impossible LOL.
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No. There's a difference between faith and not having it. Religion claims to have an absolute, firm, right answer. Nonreligion(science) does not. That is inherently different. I don't "believe" in abiogenesis, it's currently the most likely answer. Faith instructs as its core tenet to believe despite any lack of evidence or evidence to the contrary. Science says to reform your previously held position when presented with that evidence. They are fundamentally different(and arguably oppositional).
What makes it the most likely? LOL
If you don't believe that an external force created life in the universe, then you HAVE to believe that it arose spontaneously. LOL It's a binary proposition.
And there is no evidence to back up the theory that life spawned out of nothing, through chance. So you believe in something without any evidence to support it. That is faith. Faith isn't inherently religious my man. LOL
You're a silly self denier.
There is no point in continuing the debate. You're a man of faith. PERIOD.
(you'll note that I have not brought religion up in this debate.)
If you don't believe that an external force created life in the universe, then you HAVE to believe that it arose spontaneously. LOL It's a binary proposition.
And there is no evidence to back up the theory that life spawned out of nothing, through chance. So you believe in something without any evidence to support it. That is faith. Faith isn't inherently religious my man. LOL
You're a silly self denier.
There is no point in continuing the debate. You're a man of faith. PERIOD.
(you'll note that I have not brought religion up in this debate.)
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Yes those things did exist beforehand. I’m giving you the earliest record of it with Cain as well as how it broke the same law reiterated throughout the Pentateuch. Youre simply dismissing it because you don’t like the source material.
What authority deemed murder a bad thing in these ancient societies you speak of? They just decided it one day on their own? If it’s just a “trust me bro” then that takes more faith to believe imo than centuries old universally accepted transcripts.
Dion, below is an amusing quote from Young Sheldon while the little turd was arguing against the existence of God. I am enjoying reading the discussion from both sides. Peace.
“The burden of proof isn't on me. If I said there was an invisible monkey in the room with us, you shouldn't believe me just because you can't prove me wrong.”
So in the last two days we find out Dems authorized a potential hit on Trump and theyre voting to allow non citizens to determine our elections.
Is it still “saving our democracy” season?
What you're not getting is that I don't "believe" either option in the same way religion instructs. I do not have faith in abiogenesis. If a creator God revealed himself to me right now I would accept that as the truth of the universe. I wouldn't say, "Nope, I have faith in abiogenesis and my faith instructs me it's a virtue to believe, no matter what I see or hear."
No authority. Humanity evolved to that as a social species. Tigers are solitary. They compete with and kill other individuals. Lions are social. They cooperate with other individuals to form a group that then outcompetes individuals and competes with and kills other groups. They're both big cats. What you know as 'morality' is a social construct that arose from our evolutionary conditions. Group dynamics. Throughout your Christian history was the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' really seen as strictly moral? No, of course not. It was immensely immoral to kill you neighbor! But it was the epitome of righteousness and virtue to kill one's foes in battle. Morality is societal, and religion just piggybacks onto that as a social institution.
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You said these two things:
So I was asking which cases you were referring to that created these supposed states and what you meant by them and what you think was wrong in the ruling. Of course atheists are on the same level as the religious, there is no higher state solely religious people get to exist in. Having no religion is just as protected by the First as any of the existing ones.
Oh, I understand the WORDS that you're typing, they just don't make any logical sense. LOL
LIke I said, even if you refuse to acknowledge it, you DO believe in one or the other. Your denial of one, axiomatically makes you a believer in the other. LOL It's not up to you. It's up to logic.
(I didn't say anything about God.)
I believe this has run it's course.
This is known as Russell's teapot. Applaud Young Sheldon for the reference, thanks for sharing.
Trump doing rallies in the Bronx and in NY is probably one of the smartest political strategies I've seen from a Republican politician in years. Its probably a stretch to say he will win New York...but he will almost definitely get some votes for doing the rallies there. If New York is even somewhat competitive for Trump...Biden gets absolutely smoked (obviously this is without saying the cheat job they will do and try)
Really is amazing the unity he inspires.
If we could just get rid of TDS and its puppet masters.
As the end lesson of Dogma would say:
Rufus: Are you saying you believe?
Bethany: No. But I have a good idea.
I don't recall by memory every case name. I also don't care enough about it to look it up.
Its the 3rd that fueled inflation AND the inflation reductuon act and writing off tuition debts and other spending. Not debatable.Completely wrong on 3 key issues.
#1...Ukraine has EVERYTHING to do with oil prices. The US has an ongoing oil embargo on Russian oil as do some of our allies. Less oil on the free market means less supply which raises prices.
FACT SHEET: United States Bans Imports of Russian Oil, Liquefied Natural Gas, and Coal | The White House
Today, President Biden will sign an Executive Order (E.O.) to ban the import of Russian oil, liquefied natural gas, and coal to the United States – a significant action with widespread bipartisan support that will further deprive President Putin of the economic resources he uses to continue his...www.whitehouse.gov
#2....The US is producing more oil under Joe Biden than any President in US history, including Trump.
#3....Trump is directly responsible for 2 of the 3 Covid stimulus bills passed by Congress.
Coronavirus: Trump signs into law largest bailout in US history
The $2 trillion boost is the largest ever as virus cases continue to rise, hitting the economy.www.bbc.com
As always....Facts not memes.
Lions, Tigers, and Bears…oh my!
So some us of are Tigers and some are Lions? Or are you saying we are all Lions?
By your reasoning, we should have evolved to be a murderless society at this point.
Are you slow?
Russia is producing more crude now than before the war. They are at 93% of their 2017 high.
The 2020 covid dip affected them way worse than this war.
Russia Crude Oil Production
Crude Oil Production in Russia decreased to 10101 BBL/D/1K in January from 10126 BBL/D/1K in December of 2023. This page provides the latest reported value for - Russia Crude Oil Production - plus previous releases, historical high and low, short-term forecast and long-term prediction, economic...
tradingeconomics.com
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They predict Russia to be at preCovid levels at the end of this quarter and at all time highs Q1 2025.
Sammy's sanctions really goteeem.
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We're a social species, like lions. As opposed to tigers.
Of course there's still murder, we're still reproductive individuals. Not eusocial like ants or bees. We evolved to small tribal groups, not relinquishing our individual autonomy.
And it isn't my reasoning, it's evolutionary/historical fact.
I did so purposefully. Now, please don't prove me wrong. Call them out for stupid shit, too.
Enough people here point out the left's stupidity. More by me would be a waste of all of our time. I've had Dion & Levi on ignore for years. I rarely read sam's stuff & respond once every 1-2 months. Who cares?
Of course I point out the stupidity of the right & MAGA. I want it to do/be better.
Revelation of secret Obama-era program casts doubt on stated reason for Trump Mar-a-Lago raid
A newly released DOD memo obtained by America First Legal appears to indicate the government may have had original copies of classified documents seized at former President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home in Florida.
Dirty FBI Defends Authorized Use of Deadly Force at Mar-a-Lago Raid, Including: Triage Plans, 30 Armed Agents, and Map to a Trauma Center - Julie Kelly Shreds Their Lies to Pieces | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
The FBI on Tuesday evening issued a rare statement after court documents revealed the Bureau wasauthorized to use deadly forcewhen it raided Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence in August 2022.www.thegatewaypundit.com
Illegal Turkish Immigrant Astounded By How Easy Crossing The Border Is, Says Americans Should Be Worried
An illegal immigrant from Turkey could not believe how easy it is to cross the U.S.-Mexico border without any interference from law enforcement.
dailycaller.com
Thought experiment: we have tried that and things have gone to shit. How about we give equal time to the major religions, like we give time to "marxists, global warming alarmists, trans activists, etc."?
And teach it honestly, not trying to "convert", but to "inform".
Bronx clowns! 🤣
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul calls Trump supporters ‘clowns’ in her own 'basket of deplorables' moment
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ne...trump-supporters-clowns-holds-nyc-rally-bronx
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul calls Trump supporters ‘clowns’ in her own 'basket of deplorables' moment
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ne...trump-supporters-clowns-holds-nyc-rally-bronx
Are you slow?
Russia is producing more crude now than before the war. They are at 93% of their 2017 high.
The 2020 covid dip affected them way worse than this war.
Russia Crude Oil Production
Crude Oil Production in Russia decreased to 10101 BBL/D/1K in January from 10126 BBL/D/1K in December of 2023. This page provides the latest reported value for - Russia Crude Oil Production - plus previous releases, historical high and low, short-term forecast and long-term prediction, economic...
Good Lord you are clueless.
Doesn't matter how much oil Russia is producing if none of it is available for consumption by the US and Europe.
I think the 4th factor of corporate greed is playing a huge role as well.
Was thinking about this today ... Dion is opposed to men's sports and women's sports because we're all the same, right. Well, since he believes we are all animals, no different, no better than other animals, then why does he discriminate against horses running in track events? Because he is a bigot!! LOL
That is representative of the logical conclusion to his arguments...
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