No. It means atheists argued a position only protected by those of a religion. So courts essentially legally made atheism it's own religion to reach the conclusion they want.
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No. It means atheists argued a position only protected by those of a religion. So courts essentially legally made atheism it's own religion to reach the conclusion they want.
He’s almost there.
Anything else though is a bridge too far. To be honest, Dore sounds like a conspiracy theorist. How can he make wild uncalled for accusations about the prosecution?
Exactly. 1(something) and -1(something else) come together to make zero(nothing).
Uhh what? We stopped getting Putin's oil when he invaded. We didn't go to war to secure oil supplies, we literally reduced them.
Incorrect. Judeo Christian principles were just the continuation of the previous basic morals established by peoples and cultures far older than the Abrahamic tradition. It is just one step on a long staircase, not an originator.
Many of our beliefs/traditions are also derived from Greek and Roman political/religious/social traditions that have zero at all to do with the Christian religion.
Not saying the Judeo Christian traditions/values had no impact...it did... but it is much more complex than just that historically speaking.
I believe that you believe that. But here's the thing...you never point out the stupidity from the left. You consistently point out the "stupidity" on the right.
Pretty sure he's here for the conversation, not the likes. We disagree almost as much as I do with the conservatives, but we enjoy the robust exchange of ideas. He's willing to put his thoughts and worldview on the line in open debate, which is much more than can be said for most of the cowards here who hide their brittle, frail houses of cards behind the ignore button.
Well I mean technically we can take this back to the Garden of Eden. The same God that gave it Abraham and to Moses is the same one who gave it to Adam.
Nothing emasculating about a difference of opinion. I don't always agree with everything anyone on here says including Dion.
The group think is much more common with the tighty righties.
Hey professor...land and oil.
You are a national treasure for stupidity.
Who made 1000 arguments about israel being about land?
Who also said gas prices were high because of dictator putin? (Whispering ... that was Joe Biden and all you "dumb SOBs"*)
* -- your words. And for once we agree. You guys are dumb SOBs.
That argument is just God created the world, so he gave it to us that way. Which is just taking credit for man's accomplishments. No, humans created our morals through generations of society. Whether God initially created the universe we inhabit or not is irrelevant to the fact that we created culture and society. So we don't even have to get into the 'who created it all' question as it's a moot point.
There is an entire thread about this, about the time your side banned me from this thread, and suffice to say i do not have enough FAITH to be an atheist.
And you are still a dishonest, disingenuous prick.
Yawn. A clearly idiotic take.
Oil prices. JUST DRILL Also, argue with Dsus who in previous posts said Ukraine had/has nothing to do with oil.
Govt Spending - A Choice. Buying votes with spending caused inflation.
Covid - Pandemic
Yes, but that’s not the topic. The topic was Americans being on agreement for the most part on what’s evil.
Care to expand on how the Romans and Greeks contributed to that apart from Judeo Christian influence as well.
My bad, I didn't realize we were at war with Russia.
Guess what, Dion? Russia is selling the petroleum elsewhere. They don't give a shit about our sanctions.
Also, did Russia production go down, or increase, Mr. 'Literally reduced it'?
I will give him credit for being too stupid to realize he is an idiot, yet still posts his idiotic takes here daily, for the whole world to mock him, yes.
Thats not where I was going with that. You have documented murder and punishment for that murder in second generation of mankind with Cain.
The same God that found it wrong then, found it wrong when giving the 10 commandments.
Are you arguing our legal system has no influence from the 10 commandments?
If we wanted cheap oil we would've just let Putin invade and continued buying his.
I'm arguing the Ten Commandments are just one legal document in a whole history of them. There is nothing unique or special about them. Societies already had laws and moral codes that contained them.
Already had? When? And what are these societies that predate 8000 BC with historical record of a legal system comparable to the US legal system?
Why is ok for you to predate the 10, but not ok for me to predate the 10 giving you the earliest version of number 6 with Cain committing murder and facing punishment for such crime.
The same crime is reiterated in the 10 Commandments and is acknowledged as a crime by todays American legal system.
I mean the 10 Commandments are on the Supreme Court Building, Dion or were at least.
Would you not agree that dictatorships and rule over a country's people with no fair representation or fair rule of law has great potential for evil???
You can thank the Greeks and Romans for the ideas/philosophy we took from them that led to the formation of our modern representative government.
How Did Ancient Rome Influence the Foundations of America? – History Adventures
www.historyadventures.co
Completely wrong on 3 key issues.
#1...Ukraine has EVERYTHING to do with oil prices. The US has an ongoing oil embargo on Russian oil as do some of our allies. Less oil on the free market means less supply which raises prices.
FACT SHEET: United States Bans Imports of Russian Oil, Liquefied Natural Gas, and Coal | The White House
Today, President Biden will sign an Executive Order (E.O.) to ban the import of Russian oil, liquefied natural gas, and coal to the United States – a
#2....The US is producing more oil under Joe Biden than any President in US history, including Trump.
#3....Trump is directly responsible for 2 of the 3 Covid stimulus bills passed by Congress.
Coronavirus: Trump signs into law largest bailout in US history
The $2 trillion boost is the largest ever as virus cases continue to rise, hitting the economy.
www.bbc.com
As always....Facts not memes.
Would you not agree that dictatorships and rule over a country's people with no fair representation or fair rule of law has great potential for evil???
You can thank the Greeks and Romans for the ideas/philosophy we took from them that led to the formation of our modern representative government.
How Did Ancient Rome Influence the Foundations of America? – History Adventures
Yes their numerals and architecture are great.
Seriously tho, you said most Americans agree on things that are evil. Most would associate that word with common everyday identifiable things like murder, theft, causing harm to another, etc. you know that’s what you meant, right?
I’m just saying where that knowledge originated from. But you know this. Its just easier to chalk it up to dead civilizations than a God we might have to be accountable to one day I suppose.
I don't even know what you're/we're arguing at this point. Christianity is not the source of morality. There were literal ages of human tradition before it. Cain and Abel didn't exist. I already addressed the idea of God creating us.
Those things being "evil" did NOT originate with that tradition. People had thought of killing or stealing from their neighbor as bad for literally hundreds of thousands of years before your Abrahamic God.
The opposite true. The moral law was given by the moral law giver; man's "discovery" and perversion of that is resultant and secondary, not causal.
Morality is written on our hearts by God. It is the world, ourselves, which corrupt it, not define it. You individually define your own moral law at your own peril... atheist secular humanists are the same in that respect as other religions.
The proof is in the pudding.
Dion (sigh...)
If you believe there is no Creator, then, as I said; you HAVE to believe in abiogenesis. It's not optional. It is your default position.
So you DO believe in SOMETHING. And further, you believe in something that has no proof to back it up.
There is a word for that. LOL
IOW - logically speaking, you're screwed. No amount of wriggling can get you out of THAT trap.
I have no doubt that you'll TRY, but it's impossible LOL.
If you believe there is no Creator, then, as I said; you HAVE to believe in abiogenesis. It's not optional. It is your default position.
So you DO believe in SOMETHING. And further, you believe in something that has no proof to back it up.
There is a word for that. LOL
IOW - logically speaking, you're screwed. No amount of wriggling can get you out of THAT trap.
I have no doubt that you'll TRY, but it's impossible LOL.
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No. There's a difference between faith and not having it. Religion claims to have an absolute, firm, right answer. Nonreligion(science) does not. That is inherently different. I don't "believe" in abiogenesis, it's currently the most likely answer. Faith instructs as its core tenet to believe despite any lack of evidence or evidence to the contrary. Science says to reform your previously held position when presented with that evidence. They are fundamentally different(and arguably oppositional).
What makes it the most likely? LOL
If you don't believe that an external force created life in the universe, then you HAVE to believe that it arose spontaneously. LOL It's a binary proposition.
And there is no evidence to back up the theory that life spawned out of nothing, through chance. So you believe in something without any evidence to support it. That is faith. Faith isn't inherently religious my man. LOL
You're a silly self denier.
There is no point in continuing the debate. You're a man of faith. PERIOD.
(you'll note that I have not brought religion up in this debate.)
If you don't believe that an external force created life in the universe, then you HAVE to believe that it arose spontaneously. LOL It's a binary proposition.
And there is no evidence to back up the theory that life spawned out of nothing, through chance. So you believe in something without any evidence to support it. That is faith. Faith isn't inherently religious my man. LOL
You're a silly self denier.
There is no point in continuing the debate. You're a man of faith. PERIOD.
(you'll note that I have not brought religion up in this debate.)
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Yes those things did exist beforehand. I’m giving you the earliest record of it with Cain as well as how it broke the same law reiterated throughout the Pentateuch. Youre simply dismissing it because you don’t like the source material.
What authority deemed murder a bad thing in these ancient societies you speak of? They just decided it one day on their own? If it’s just a “trust me bro” then that takes more faith to believe imo than centuries old universally accepted transcripts.
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