POLITICAL THREAD

[warrior-cat]

Here is the funny thing about all of this to me, the PC crowd are the first ones to watch reality shows like Trumps and others and laugh at those who are berated then, when in public, become social warriors hell bent on chastising those who do the same thing. Hypocrites anyone?

 

[Atrain7732]

Yep, just like the msm didn't turn some fat chick's feelings -- that were hurt by "mean" comments decades ago -- into a national outrage for five days & counting.

They'd have field day, no holds barred style, digging through his taxes & slapping every so called expert opinion & their "he could have, but we have no proof, just innuendo analysis" on every newspaper, website & TV screen.

Haha. I mean I am gonna respond to a certain extent here and then we will all just have to agree to disagree.

The reason the "fat chick" story was a story all week was because Donald Trump made it so. He did this bc he can't control himself. He can't help but make things worse for himself. It would have been a non story had he not called into F&F the day after he debate and dug himself a big old hole. He shoulda let it go. But he just can't control himself. Then he goes on a 3am twitter rant on Friday morning when the story was effectively dead.

You keep on keeping on harpin the MSM conspiracy theories. And spouting the same BS that Trump does about the same people who effectively won him the Rep nomination with 2-3 billion in free advertising. The same MSM who Donald cannot get enough of and continuously calls in to and relishes his status with.

 

[Atrain7732]

You are truly duped. Poor boy, I pity you. How have you made it in life? Never mind, sucking off the teet is the norm for people like you.

Haha. I am the sucker huh. You are sucking the "teet" of a guy who was a liberal his entire life until 5 years ago FFS.

But you guys keep those tin foil hats on and keep crying about MSM conspiracies and what not. When the Donald gets his ass beat and goes on to blame a "rigged system" you can jump on that train too and espouse how Trump really won and it is all a big conspiracy.

The rest of us "suckers" will realize it's bc he is a lunatic who can't control himself and is an unstable person to lead this country. He can't even keep himself off twitter rants at 3am. GMAFB.

Hillary, her flaws and all, is at least not an unhinged person. Which allows me the permission to vote for her over Trump. That reason alone is enough for me. Lesser of two evils, and it ain't even close.

You keep on calling names tho buddy. You wanna come to me and rebut anything I said, come with it. I will act like an adult and not a second grader. Maybe you can get a new nickname from the Trumpster for someone this week.

 

[Atrain7732]

Don't you know that only democrats can do this? They have that socialistic and communistic mentality. We are in charge and we say what you can think and not think. PC anyone?

I am the last one to talk PC. I will name call at Trump and anyone else who I feel like doing so towards. I have no issue with Trump name calling either, if that were the extent of it. Clearly, you don't have an issue with it either.

The fact he cannot control himself during a debate or on twitter is one of several issues that concern me. Add to the fact that he has no policy besides MAGA is a bit disconcerting. The fact that he was a liberal his entire life until he saw the "birther" political opportunity is another red herring.

I could keep going but let's be honest. Neither of us is gonna convince the other. You can name call at me and I am good with it. I have voted Rep more than I have Dem. Just so happens I think the current Rep nominee is a crazy person who I wouldn't trust to do anything other than increase his own "brand".

 

[SomeDudeCRO]

This holier than thou attitude...

It's like aww schucks daggum Roy, cheating and secretly teething; pulling the wool over the eyes of the Carolina faithful... the Carolina way.

YOu want Calipari drop the mike middle fingers up or you want a façade?

Your attitude is unjustified and without merit.

 

[krazykats]

Unhinged?

Ok you are more worried about someone making big deals out of people attacking his character than a woman being a part of creating disaster after disaster in the Middle East and bring those problems here?

Well ok then.

 

[Atrain7732]

Serious question here. What has she done in the past that convinces you she will do this?

I am like you in this regard, I am not pro Trump, I am never Hilary. For me, I have seen what career politicians have done to this country from both sides, and an outsider is what is needed to shake things up. Now, Trump was never my first pick, nor my third pick, but he is what's left. He got a record number of votes in the primary, which tells me, most republicans are tired of sending republicans to DC to do nothing but send us farther down the shithole of economic failure.

My greatest 2 things about Hilary is: 1. I think she is already been bought and paid for and will pander to that money, the woman can NOT tell the truth about anything, and I think she looks down her nose at common americans.

You actually have a very valid point. I am the last one to praise Hillary and, as I said in previous posts, if Bush/Kasich/Rubio had won the nomination I would absolutely be voting for them.

I guess my answer is similar to yours. I made up my mind about Donald based on his actions and how he handles himself on twitter, in rallies, and generally everywhere before Kelly Conway came in and reigned him in for a little while. He seems to me like a person who is not all there and can't control himself when someone simply throws out something that may embarrass him or question his business or political status.

What happens if he wins and Putin gets his hooks into him psychologically. Or some dictator goads him at the UN. There is a reason Putin is balls out to try and make sure Trump wins this election. And it isn't bc they are buds. Putin sees someone who can be manipulated very easily and whose ego can be stroked with simple compliments. Putin says Trump is successful and he has spent a year praising the ruthless dictator.

HRC is def a smug, self serving and secretive person. I hate that I am voting for her. She will enrich herself and Bill whenever possible. But, she will ultimately do what is right for the US IMO. If only for the reason that it will also benefit her and her party.

I guess I have trouble turning the keys over to the biggest and most powerful country ever created to a petulant and spoiled child. At least Hillary can control herself in social and political situations.

 

[SomeDudeCRO]

Consolation prize for conservatives will be the death of American liberalism.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but in real liberalism there are no safe spaces.

 

[Atrain7732]

Unhinged?

Ok you are more worried about someone making big deals out of people attacking his character than a woman being a part of creating disaster after disaster in the Middle East and bring those problems here?

Well ok then.

I am unable to respond to all accusations but lemme say this and leave it----There is more than enough blame to go around on BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE when it comes to the ME and where we currently find ourselves in that mess.

And for all his bluster against it, pretty clear to me Donald was both for and against the war in Iraq at different times when it was politically advantageous for himself. I have zero confidence he knows his ass from a hole in the ground with relation to ME politics and strategies.

 

[SomeDudeCRO]

Conservative isolationism is as much responsible for this mess as liberal pussy footing...

You want to continue to dig the same hole.

 

[Atrain7732]

Consolation prize for conservatives will be the death of American liberalism.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but in real liberalism there are no safe spaces.

Nobody is bursting my bubble. If would like to see a political system shift where political party carries less clout and people vote their conscience. It is what I have always tried to do.

But I have no earthly clue where this is coming from. The only party that is split right down the middle is the right. And ask the last 2 Rep presidents who they are voting for if you don't believe me. Truthfully, I hate that there is so much division. And as is obvious by this thread I get going on rants and contribute to the rancor as much as anyone.

 

[Bill - Shy Cat]

Chuck Todd and NBC are in full crisis mode this morning. Chuck has no idea how tax code works. Business losses in one year can be used to offset business income in other years. Chuck is calling this a tax loophole. What a stupid piece of liberal shit.

 

[mdlUK.1]

Conservative isolationism is as much responsible for this mess as liberal pussy footing...

You want to continue to dig the same hole.

Polls say 60-70% think the country is headed in the wrong direction but people still support hildawg?? Yeah, keep on digging.

 

[krazykats]

I am unable to respond to all accusations but lemme say this and leave it----There is more than enough blame to go around on BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE when it comes to the ME and where we currently find ourselves in that mess.

And for all his bluster against it, pretty clear to me Donald was both for and against the war in Iraq at different times when it was politically advantageous for himself. I have zero confidence he knows his ass from a hole in the ground with relation to ME politics and strategies.

I do not disagree that it isn't all obama and Hiliary, but they were the top two involved in decision making that opened us up to what is happening.

We are basically with Iran/China at this point or Russia.

You may be scared of Russia but IMO they want nothing but our muscle and they aren't scared to rid the world of terrorism.

 

[Atrain7732]

I do not disagree that it isn't all obama and Hiliary, but they were the top two involved in decision making that opened us up to what is happening.

We are basically with Iran/China at this point or Russia.

You may be scared of Russia but IMO they want nothing but our muscle and they aren't scared to rid the world of terrorism.

I don't disagree with the gist of this post. I am not an Obama and HRC apologist. I think Obama absolutely made the biggest mistake of his Prez by allowing Syria to cross the red line. That opened up the door for Putin to insert himself into this mess. Now it is a very nuanced situation with no easy answers. We can't just arm the rebels and bomb targets anymore. That time has passed.

And JMO but Putin may want to rid the world of terrorism, but he wants more to humiliate the US and expand Russia's influence to Post WWII levels. He will only do what is in his interests.

 

[SomeDudeCRO]

And as is obvious by this thread I get going on rants and contribute to the rancor as much as anyone.

That's fine, to most of us anyway this is just banter, we aren't solving any problems. Most of the people attacking you have attacked me at one point or another.

The ideas though you are espousing are woefully wrong in our present circumstances and I hunk you should reflect further. Unsolicited avice yes, but avice nonetheless.

 

[Atrain7732]

That's fine, to most of us anyway this is just banter, we aren't solving any problems. Most of the people attacking you have attacked me at one point or another.

The ideas though you are espousing are woefully wrong in our present circumstances and I hunk you should reflect further. Unsolicited avice yes, but avice nonetheless.

Well I will be nice and just say that I will take your opinion under advisement.

As a small business owner, I really want to vote the other way. But I just can't bring myself to do so based on what I have seen so far.

Who knows, I may wake up Nov 8 and achieve complete political clarity and vote the opposite of my current leanings.

I do appreciate the cordial response, tho. I am not the complete opposite that some may think based on my views of this one race. I'd venture to say I am prolly pretty similar to those vehemently disagreeing. And my voting record I would bet is equally similar in many cases. Just having trouble with this particular candidate.

 

[qwesley]

The only party that is split right down the middle is the right.

So you think it is good the Dems are united behind a shitty candidate but it is a negative that the GOP is not united behind a shitty candidate?

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

As a small business owner, I really want to vote the other way. But I just can't bring myself to do so based on what I have seen so far.

I'm a small business owner as well, just curious how you can view HC over DT through the business owner lense? I mean, her freaking opening statement in the debate was about "encouraging" businesses to "share" their profits more.

How do you like someone that has zero (0) clue what we go through saying that? I don't know about you, but my first inkling would be to tell her to get pumped. The disdain she (and the left) has for evil business owners is palpable.

 

[Atrain7732]

So you think it is good the Dems are united behind a shitty candidate but it is a negative that the GOP is not united behind a shitty candidate?

I think it was pretty clear I was responding to an assertion that the liberal party would be forever gone as a result of this election.

As an independent I really couldn't care less. However, I thought it was a strange statement considering that the one Party who seems split in a very dramatic way is the Rep Party.

If Trump loses, he isn't disappearing from the limelight. He will start his own news network with Roger Ailes--maybe call it the TNN Trump News Ntwk--and continue to espouse his political viewpoints.

At that point, all of those Rep who couldn't bring themselves to support him, or went out of their way to not support him, will be unable to join his side. Then you get a split party. I have no idea if that will happen. But there is more evidence of that happening before the liberal party splitting up.

And that is another reason I am concerned about Trump. He is a bull in a China shop and has taken as many Rep casualties as he has Dems.

So I don't turn this into me arguing with everyone--here is my bottom line:

I feel that Trump, more than anything, is incapable of practicing any form of restraint. There are many examples of this, so I don't think I need to provide them. I believe the Presidency is a lofty office where prolly the most important characteristic is the ability to practice restraint. Even in the face of unbelievable pressure and in situations where the popular decision is not always the correct decision.

That is the bottom line for me--Hillary, flaws and all, I think she has shown restraint in various situations. Truthfully, if she ever practiced even a single moment of restraint, it would be one more than I have ever seen Trump display.

JMHO. It is a shame these are the choices that we have in this election. So I am doing what I feel is best for the country. Just like others voting the opposite are doing.

 

[augustaky1]

Haha. I mean I am gonna respond to a certain extent here and then we will all just have to agree to disagree.

The reason the "fat chick" story was a story all week was because Donald Trump made it so. He did this bc he can't control himself. He can't help but make things worse for himself. It would have been a non story had he not called into F&F the day after he debate and dug himself a big old hole. He shoulda let it go. But he just can't control himself. Then he goes on a 3am twitter rant on Friday morning when the story was effectively dead.

You keep on keeping on harpin the MSM conspiracy theories. And spouting the same BS that Trump does about the same people who effectively won him the Rep nomination with 2-3 billion in free advertising. The same MSM who Donald cannot get enough of and continuously calls in to and relishes his status with.

I agree 100% with you on this.

 

[cardkilla]

I'm a small business owner as well, just curious how you can view HC over DT through the business owner lense? I mean, her freaking opening statement in the debate was about "encouraging" businesses to "share" their profits more.

How do you like someone that has zero (0) clue what we go through saying that? I don't know about you, but my first inkling would be to tell her to get pumped. The disdain she (and the left) has for evil business owners is palpable.

You do realize that there are A LOT of Democrat small business owners right? There's a difference between the small business owners of under 500 employees and the mega corps who care only about the bottom line. Yes, profits are the #1 reason to have a business. But it should not also be reason #2, 3, 4, ...10.

I'm also curious how DT is superior when talking to business owners when he is talking about taxing their products made overseas. Most products are not profitable if made here, at least not at the price they have to compete with. You can't compete on high labor items when you have countries playing slave wages and having no care for pollution, worker rights, etc. Ford moved their most price conscious product to a lower cost country. Yet they are ramping up their more profitable lines made here. Ford can't compete making low margin vehicles in the U.S. That's just how it is, and you can't change that.

It's like the tax holiday b.s. to get companies to bring their profits home. Last time they did that 92% or so of that went straight to dividends. Not re-investment in THIS country. Another huge lie.

What DT's taxes prove is that the system is completely rigged for anyone in the 99%. He blasted Obama in 2011 about his 21% marginal tax rate while his is ZERO. He's a big fat hypocrite and a serial liar.

 

[SomeDudeCRO]

What I meant by that is that the Clinton's have shown a proclivity to not be able to resist dipping their hands in the cookie jar.

If they end up proving the "crooked Hillary " moniker true while in the highest office it will be extremely detrimental to the dem party

 

[Atrain7732]

I'm a small business owner as well, just curious how you can view HC over DT through the business owner lense? I mean, her freaking opening statement in the debate was about "encouraging" businesses to "share" their profits more.

How do you like someone that has zero (0) clue what we go through saying that? I don't know about you, but my first inkling would be to tell her to get pumped. The disdain she (and the left) has for evil business owners is palpable.

I agree completely. It makes me sick when HRC talks about small business and how important it is. She is clearly pandering and the first chance she gets, she will prolly raise the taxes on them.

But, I just can't believe Trump has any more credit that HRC. Even tho I really want to believe him, especially considering the SB tax cuts he is proposing, I just watch the guy and listen to what he says and I just see someone who is just telling everyone what they want to hear. I mean no one, Trump included, thinks he is building a wall. But he continues to loudly proclaim it. Even when faced with reality that it is essentially impossible and would cost in the trillions to do so.

On top of that, he appears to be unable to practice any type of restraint. And that is the most important characteristic to be Prez IMO. Even more important to me than someone who may or may not lower my taxes as a small business owner. Bc my small business paying less taxes is unimportant if the Prez can't control his temperament and demeanor and just does whatever he feels is best in the moment.

Just where I keep coming back to. It is not where I want to be. But I have to follow my gut, and vote for who I think is the lesser of two evils. I will hope that my small business will not be effected. But, I do not trust that Trump cares or has any intention to help me either. So that being equal I have to go to what I feel is the safer bet. I am not willing to blow the whole thing up and trust that it ultimately comes back together again.

 

[qwesley]

You do realize that there are A LOT of Democrat small business owners right?

BO's job approval among small business owners has consistently tracked 12-15 points lower than the general population*

*note - under no pretense that you would care or let it get in the way of made up arguments

 

[qwesley]

I'm a small business owner as well, just curious how you can view HC over DT through the business owner lense? I mean, her freaking opening statement in the debate was about "encouraging" businesses to "share" their profits more.

How do you like someone that has zero (0) clue what we go through saying that? I don't know about you, but my first inkling would be to tell her to get pumped. The disdain she (and the left) has for evil business owners is palpable.

because HRC "will do what is best for America" and if she needs more of your earnings so be it

 

[P19978]

Can you tell me ONE thing Hilary has done /QUOTE]

FFY

 

[Atrain7732]

BO's job approval among small business owners has consistently tracked 12-15 points lower than the general population*

*note - under no pretense that you would care or let it get in the way of made up arguments

Well I am unsure as to how that is applicable. Because if you asked me my opinion on BO in relation to my small Business, it May not be the most favorable.

However, I would still vote for him or HRC over Trump. So, all the polls in the world don't include the one x-factor. That many people realize Trump is an unrestrained and petulant child who NO ONE has any idea what he will ultimately do for the economy or this country. There is no past barometer to judge him by except a shaky business record and a lifelong penchant for liberal policies.

How do the Trump supporters feel about their candidate being a lifelong liberal until 6-8 yrs ago when he saw a political opening with the birther movement? It does make me chuckle when people denigrate the dirty liberals on one hand, then praise DT on the other. I wonder if they realize for 90% of his life he held all of the same liberal beliefs you are denigrating. And I am not knocking them, just pointing out another unknown about DT.

That's what I don't see people acknowledging. I understand people want change and they are enraged at the system--so am I. But I can't bring myself to trust Donald Trump as the guy who is going to bring about this positive political change. And there is zero evidence he is capable or will do so. His business accumen is not nearly as "great" as he says. He has never been considered a safe bet to do anything but improve his own lot.

 

[moe_schmoe]

Look, when you weed through all the bullshit it comes down to this & his taxes or any other faux drama & outrage the left conjures up really doesn't matter or make much of a difference at all. Call me simple, trivial, whatever, but this is what really matters.

Trump wants to put a hold on refugees, secure our borders, end sanctuary cities, pro #2A, have thriving coal business, lower taxes, bring back jobs, against TTP, destroy Isis, put America first & put an end to the politically correct diseased mindset.

Hillary wants to flood the country with +1 million refugees, have open borders, for sanctuary cities, against #2A, put coal out of business, raise taxes a trillion $ in order to pay for all of her free stuff to keep the sheep on the government tit, ship more jobs overseas, for TPP, excuse Isis, put globalization first & be so politically correct she plans put grown ass men wearing panties in every women's restroom across the country.

 

[PhattyJ4UK]

Lol. This is great.

"Barack has been detrimental to small business owners and HRC will be equal to and most likely worse, but daggumit trump responds to tweets in a way i dont like".

Profits are the ONLY reason for business.

I seem to recall an oprah interview from 1988 where trump talks about our country being taken advantage of by our allies and saying if he ever ran he would do so as a republican... but atrain says hes only a republican because he saw an opportunity about the birther issue.

 

[qwesley]

Funny to see people accept that the media HAS to jump over something stupid DT tweets or takes on. Yeah, he is an undisciplined oaf, but are those people saying that means his twitter fight HAS to take priority over HRC slamming millennials, the country nearing $20T in debt, Syria failures, Cheryl Mills getting immunity, etc?

 

[moe_schmoe]

just pointing out another unknown about DT.

This is widely known & no one talks about it b/c no one gives a shit. It's fake, made up outrage. As long as he's not running as a liberal now, & serving up far left policies, then it's nothing more than a smear talking point.

That's the thing about "supporting" Hillary, it doesn't involve support for what she envisions for the country, only attacking Trump on anything & everything the man does b/c she has zero solutions. Him having the gall to eat KFC with a fork was national outrage for days. That's all Hillary & her side can do. Their only hope is to ignore the issues.

My first choice definitely wasn't Trump, but at least he is offering positives to the country on top of being piece of shit scumbag. Hillary is just a piece of shit scumbag with very little positive to offer.

 

[Mashburned]

I believe the Presidency is a lofty office where prolly the most important characteristic is the ability to practice restraint.

LMAOOOOO



How many trophies you have?

Did you realize you were typing this out while you were busy sucking your own temperament?

 

[Atrain7732]

Lol. This is great.

"Barack has been detrimental to small business owners and HRC will be equal to and most likely worse, but daggumit trump responds to tweets in a way i dont like".

Profits are the ONLY reason for business.

I seem to recall an oprah interview from 1988 where trump talks about our country being taken advantage of by our allies and saying if he ever ran he would do so as a republican... but atrain says hes only a republican because he saw an opportunity about the birther issue.

Yes now this is a rich one. Please continue to tell me what should and should not be important to me in my small business. Continue to enlighten me oh wise one.

If you had a clear ability to comprehend, you would see that I clearly stated that while HRC may be detrimental to my small business, NO ONE, not you or anyone else, has any kind of clue what DT would be for my business. My small business has flourished during BO's tenure. Prolly not completely bc of his policies, but not despite them either. So it is not even close to a given that Trump would be beneficial to small business owners. My own personal evidence and experience would actually tell me otherwise. And that is my point. And since it is an opinion you cannot disprove it. That is why it's called an opinion.

Well if you saw an Oprah interview back in '88 then that settles it. I guess him being cozy with the Clinton's and all those 60 mins and other news interviews he has done all thru the 80's, 90's and early 2000's where he essentially agrees with every liberal talking point is moot. He even says himself that he was a liberal until here recently. But you keep on denying what you know deep down to be true--Your new Rep Hero is a hated Liberal in disguise, or at least, when it politically suits him. And I have trouble supporting a guy whose political ideologies change with the shifting winds of popular opinion. I want someone who actually has the cajones to keep a political opinion even when it is unpopular.

I am done with all the back and forth. I respect others political viewpoints and their ability to support whatever candidate they choose. I probably got too heated and over the top with my views here the last 24 hrs and I don't want to continue to argue with people whose opinions I know I can't change and vice versa. I just hope however this election turns out we all end up coming out ahead. In the end we are all Americans and we are lucky enough to live in a country where we can disagree and still be respectful of each other's views.

 

[Atrain7732]

LMAOOOOO



How many trophies you have?

Did you realize you were typing this out while you were busy sucking your own temperament?

So I suppose it is not important to you that your boy is up at 3am talking about porn videos and fat chicks.

Well I suppose I have more trophies than your sorry ass bc this is important to me. It is not he end all be all, but taken together with all of his other flaws, it is just icing on the cake.

 

[moe_schmoe]

I mean no one, Trump included, thinks he is building a wall. But he continues to loudly proclaim it. Even when faced with reality that it is essentially impossible and would cost in the trillions to do so.

A Mexican official has already came out & admitted there are ways for Trump to make them pay for a wall & there isn't really a damn thing they could do about it.

Every argument you seem to make against Trump pretty much mirrors everything your TV is telling you. All your posts are just completely ignoring Hillary's faults & repeating tired MSM talking points about Trump. It's almost as if Don Lemon has hacked your account.

"Who cares if Hillary is bad for small business & a detriment to the middle class, at least she doesn't tweet mean things." They're called priorities, learn them. They're not all equal. Some matter much more than others.

 

[UK till Death]

Hillary received questions a week ago. You don't say? I was more right than I thought.

http://baltimoregazette.com/clinton-received-debate-questions-week-debate/

Is there a single honest thing about this crooked bitch?

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

I guess my point is that you know DT has decades of business ownership experience and it's a very reasonable assumption that experience makes it extremely unlikely he TARGETS small businesses with his ire.

Same cannot be said of HC. She knows dick smack about business, and what she doesn't know she fears and will target via taxes, regulations etc.

Anyways atrain, not trying to needle at you, you know your business better than any human, just don't think anywhere on DTs agenda is "hammer small biz" and is much more likely to leave us alone (which is all I really want anyways).

To Cardkilla, the "bottom line" better occupy the majority of your top ten or you're unlikely to have a viable company for longer than a hockey season....

 

[mdlUK.1]

So I suppose it is not important to you that your boy is up at 3am talking about porn videos and fat chicks.

Well I suppose I have more trophies than your sorry ass bc this is important to me. It is not he end all be all, but taken together with all of his other flaws, it is just icing on the cake.

Did you have the same disdain for bill Clinton getting a bj in the Oval Office?

 

[the nail at the foul line]

I mean, her freaking opening statement in the debate was about "encouraging" businesses to "share" their profits more.

She meant with The Clinton Foundation.