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How will they rule ??!

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I think the Yale Law School graduate and former Sec. of State had it correct when she advised Joe Biden to never concede.

It's been all of two weeks and yes it takes time to gather evidence and prepare your case, but it is owed to the people of this great country to proceed. The Constitutional framework is solid and I trust will prevail over cries from the media, etc.

I agree which why I think it's imperative the litigation and investigation continue. It just won't be done in time to stop Bidens swearing in. Probably not even close.
 
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Thanks. Well just have to agree that we disagree on this one. The facts are too disputed to come to any sort of consensus.

If you take the CDC at their word. Only 6% of these deaths were from covid. That is about 13,500 deaths from Covid. It would be the lowest one on the chart. Below Septicemia. We shut our country down for a virus with over a 99.6% survival rate.
You wont answer because you have no answer, You just hate Trump. Show your metrics and data of how he botched it.
 
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There's no way to gather all this info in time. What he should do, is concede the reported vote totals only. Proceed with the litigation and investigation because this fraud must stop here and now. No telling how many races were stolen up till now.
t's been all of two weeks and yes it takes time to gather evidence and prepare your case, but it is owed to the people of this great country to proceed. The Constitutional framework is solid and I trust will prevail over cries from the media, etc.
A good question would be ... what then? Say two years from now Biden's in the WH and it's proven in court somewhere that there indeed (which I firmly believe) was wholesale cheating, in multiple states, and Trump actually won all these contested states. What happens? Can't see Biden (or probably Harris) just handing over the keys and going home. Talk about a mess, but I would LOVE to see it. Maybe even more so than Trump somehow winning this year via state legislatures or the House.
 
Deliberately trying to divide the nation by attacking everyone and everything that doesn’t bow to his every whim, deliberately sewing mistrust in our established institutions because they don’t act as his propaganda arm, deliberately floating unproven allegations, acting like a spoiled 8 yr old who thinks the only way he can lose is if the other guy cheats...

By simply acting like a responsible adult Joe Biden will greatly improve the country.
Sadly, just as Obama had to fix the shit show left him by W, Joe has to try and put a nation back together and on a solid track.
Being President isn’t being a dictator. People are going to disagree, people will criticize you and people expect you to take responsibility for what happens, good or bad. Playing the blame game doesn’t solve problems. It doesn’t matter from where a virus that has killed 260K Americans and is spreading to a million people a week came. It’s here.
When you point fingers, fingers get pointed back. Trump should have learned that lesson long ago, he never has.
You want to get away from China? When you need them to buy our debt it’s kind of hard to do. Trump will have accumulated more debt in 4 years than Obama did in 8. Regardless of why you think, Trump has made us more, not less dependent on China.
There will be tax hikes. There has to be. Current rates with the economy going full blast still came up over 1 trillion in the red. We had massive tax hikes after WWII to pay off the debt from the war. We survived and became a stronger nation.

The economy was shutdown RQ, by the govt. No, Trump won’t have accumulated more debt than Obama.

How did Trump mane us more reliant on China? That is a ridiculous take, you’re making an excuse for what you know Biden will do, because he’s bought by China.

This isn’t after WWII, we were the only major nation not affected infrastructurewise by the war. We were 75% of the worlds manufacturing in the years after the war.

He didn’t spread distrust in agency’s, he simply pulled back the veil. They did the rest all by themselves.
 
About 45% of the population has co-morbidities. Obesity, hypertension, diabetes, heart disease, COPD, advanced age...

How come the mainstream news/politicians never address the 650,000+ who die from heart disease in the US every year? Where’s the death toll on the side of the screen? Almost like they don’t give a shit unless they can use something as a propaganda tool for a larger agenda.
 
Bill, I don’t care what she has to say...what can she prove? It’s easy to make shit up, a lot tougher to actually prove something. When you’re blowing smoke then you better have the fire to back it up. Show me the evidence and prove the case and I’ll believe anything.

I’m sure you’ll believe whatever she says because you want to believe it. As my mom and dad used to tell me...”I’m from Missouri, show me.”

BTW, GA election audit was completed today...no fraud, no problems found.

Inagine that..
 
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DOH! Trump team FLOPS again!

Another update on the “recount” (really an audit) of the results in Georgia. Election officials have found so few discrepancies with the original count that the original count, not the recount, will be certified as the official results. (Machine counts of ballots are generally more reliable than hand counts.) This, of course, makes it even more certain that Biden’s win in the state will be upheld.
 
A good question would be ... what then? Say two years from now Biden's in the WH and it's proven in court somewhere that there indeed (which I firmly believe) was wholesale cheating, in multiple states, and Trump actually won all these contested states. What happens? Can't see Biden (or probably Harris) just handing over the keys and going home. Talk about a mess, but I would LOVE to see it. Maybe even more so than Trump somehow winning this year via state legislatures or the House.

That's a great question and I have no idea. Any scenario where they proof of a stolen election would be way beyond unprecedented.

Then again would they even be allowed to tell anyone? Social media suppressed the hunter/joe sell out story till basically election day. If such evidence was found, radio might be the only place they could even talk about it
 
I don't trust powell for a second. She's a hannity hound and I know anyone that's a regular on that show is fos. Just like with the Russian collusion, she has nothing. She's there to preach to the choir.

What you have to do is parse through what she says and find nuggets of truth that hopefully make a difference. Hopefully those things are pursued by people more intent on getting evidence than appearing on tv

Rudy - I just don't know. He seems like a crazy old look and probably is. But somehow he came up with the hunter laptop. Maybe somehow he will find something here

At the end of the day I think trump has to concede. There's no way to gather all this info in time. What he should do, is concede the reported vote totals only. Proceed with the litigation and investigation because this fraud must stop here and now. No telling how many races were stolen up till now.
You’re convinced there is fraud but have zero evidence. Do you also believe in the Easter bunny?
Serious question...what would it take to convince you that there is no widespread fraud beyond the individual dozen or so cases found every year?
This calendar year we know of 3 cases of voter fraud and they were all Republicans. With the electorate split pretty even you can bet there is also a pretty even distribution within those individual cases.
 
A good question would be ... what then? Say two years from now Biden's in the WH and it's proven in court somewhere that there indeed (which I firmly believe) was wholesale cheating, in multiple states, and Trump actually won all these contested states. What happens? Can't see Biden (or probably Harris) just handing over the keys and going home. Talk about a mess, but I would LOVE to see it. Maybe even more so than Trump somehow winning this year via state legislatures or the House.

I'm finding it difficult to speculate much further out than the balance of today, lol.

If you told me I had to opine, I'd have to say that I expect the U.S. Supreme Court to take up the matter by consolidating cases in lower courts from various parts of the country and that I expect that to take place before the next President's term begins.
 
A good question would be ... what then? Say two years from now Biden's in the WH and it's proven in court somewhere that there indeed (which I firmly believe) was wholesale cheating, in multiple states, and Trump actually won all these contested states. What happens? Can't see Biden (or probably Harris) just handing over the keys and going home. Talk about a mess, but I would LOVE to see it. Maybe even more so than Trump somehow winning this year via state legislatures or the House.
I doubt Biden / Harris would be removed from office even with the truth coming out about cheating. The cry would be not to upset the government as the instability would be detrimental to our nation and we could not survive that. I can see most Republicans joining in with all of the Democrats to keep Joe Biden as President. Half of them are jumping on the train now.

It would be a mess
 
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Deliberately trying to divide the nation by attacking everyone and everything that doesn’t bow to his every whim, deliberately sewing mistrust in our established institutions because they don’t act as his propaganda arm, deliberately floating unproven allegations, acting like a spoiled 8 yr old who thinks the only way he can lose is if the other guy cheats...

By simply acting like a responsible adult Joe Biden will greatly improve the country.
Sadly, just as Obama had to fix the shit show left him by W, Joe has to try and put a nation back together and on a solid track.
Being President isn’t being a dictator. People are going to disagree, people will criticize you and people expect you to take responsibility for what happens, good or bad. Playing the blame game doesn’t solve problems. It doesn’t matter from where a virus that has killed 260K Americans and is spreading to a million people a week came. It’s here.
When you point fingers, fingers get pointed back. Trump should have learned that lesson long ago, he never has.
You want to get away from China? When you need them to buy our debt it’s kind of hard to do. Trump will have accumulated more debt in 4 years than Obama did in 8. Regardless of why you think, Trump has made us more, not less dependent on China.
There will be tax hikes. There has to be. Current rates with the economy going full blast still came up over 1 trillion in the red. We had massive tax hikes after WWII to pay off the debt from the war. We survived and became a stronger nation.

I give you an A for replying, but the answer gets a F.
 
You’re convinced there is fraud but have zero evidence. Do you also believe in the Easter bunny?
Serious question...what would it take to convince you that there is no widespread fraud beyond the individual dozen or so cases found every year?
This calendar year we know of 3 cases of voter fraud and they were all Republicans. With the electorate split pretty even you can bet there is also a pretty even distribution within those individual cases.

I went through the data on here before which shows clear irregularities if not fraud. The data is the evidence, for now. I'm skeptical they'll find more. Something this large wasn't just done on a whim without very careful planning and fail-safes.

It's basically a much larger scale version of epstein's murder. To kill epstein, right after he was put on suicide watch the conspirators had to bribe or strong arm a multitude of people on various levels. Everyone from the guards on watch, to the video room, to the warden, to the folks in charge of transferring his roommate out.

The people that killed epstein had no worry about getting caught. Because everything was covered. It's the same way here but amplified by 1000. Noone will ever be caught in either instance
 
That's a great question and I have no idea. Any scenario where they proof of a stolen election would be way beyond unprecedented.

Then again would they even be allowed to tell anyone? Social media suppressed the hunter/joe sell out story till basically election day. If such evidence was found, radio might be the only place they could even talk about it
Did you ever stop and think the reason the “hunter/Joe” story never made it was because it was proven to be fake?
Yeah, you really believe that someone involved in an international conspiracy would drop off laptops with incriminating evidence at some local fix-it shop and forget about them?
Sure.
That’s the thing, you want to believe something so badly that you don’t even question the information. No proof needed, just a good story.
 
They didn't do signature verification checks. That's why it was a waste of time.
Because signature verification is a mostly made up science. A persons signature can vary wildly 5 mins apart nevermind years apart like most voter databases are. In vegas there are about 10 "major" signature verifiers for sports memorabilia. I used to move a lot of signed cards. You could send a card to each verifier and get a completely different result from each one. Hell sometimes you could just resubmit to the same person and get a different result. Some people have very unique and consistent signatures, but most people do not. It's also incredibly easy to forge signatures which is why only the super rares have any real value. The only signature that has high accuracy is biometrics.
Election signature verification is mostly done by machine scanning. They build in around a 60% or lower tolerance level which makes it completely useless. They have to assume that each signature is valid and prove otherwise. Your 4 year old kid could sign your ballot and pass the scan. When verification is done manually its untrained staff verifying a dozen signatures at one time with a quick glance. Here is a very well done article analyzing the uselessness of signatures.

 
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I went through the data on here before which shows clear irregularities if not fraud. The data is the evidence, for now. I'm skeptical they'll find more. Something this large wasn't just done on a whim without very careful planning and fail-safes.

It's basically a much larger scale version of epstein's murder. To kill epstein, right after he was put on suicide watch the conspirators had to bribe or strong arm a multitude of people on various levels. Everyone from the guards on watch, to the video room, to the warden, to the folks in charge of transferring his roommate out.

The people that killed epstein had no worry about getting caught. Because everything was covered. It's the same way here but amplified by 1000. Noone will ever be caught in either instance
Frankly, from what I have witnessed most of the “data” you’ve used is bad/old data.
So is your claim that the Georgia SOS who is a Republican and a vocal Trump supporter was fixing the election for Biden?

If no one is ever caught the reason just might be because what you thought happened, didn’t happen.
 
Did you ever stop and think the reason the “hunter/Joe” story never made it was because it was proven to be fake?
Yeah, you really believe that someone involved in an international conspiracy would drop off laptops with incriminating evidence at some local fix-it shop and forget about them?
Sure.
That’s the thing, you want to believe something so badly that you don’t even question the information. No proof needed, just a good story.
The Dems and the mainstream media the last 4 years with Russia collusion
 
That’s the thing, you want to believe something so badly that you don’t even question the information. No proof needed, just a good story

Are you talking about you and your ilk with russian collusion?

I can assure you I'd prefer the incoming president to not be taking bribes from foreign countries.

You can claim they're fake all you want. But none of the bidens claimed it was fake. All the people on the emails verified them. The pictures spoke for themselves. Facts are facts.
 
You’re convinced there is fraud but have zero evidence. Do you also believe in the Easter bunny?
Serious question...what would it take to convince you that there is no widespread fraud beyond the individual dozen or so cases found every year?
This calendar year we know of 3 cases of voter fraud and they were all Republicans. With the electorate split pretty even you can bet there is also a pretty even distribution within those individual cases.

Here is the issue, states eliminated security measures in this election. Whether it was intentional or not it opened the door for mass fraud. Mail ballots are the easiest way to commit fraud.
Then take into account that no one knew how many ballots had actually been cast on election night and the huge swings after hours.
Thise swings in vote numbers didn’t happen in states that kept their voting laws tight. Texas, Florida, Ohio or a number of other states. The tally’s in those states stated consistent throughout, as you expect vote numbers to play out.
 
Did you ever stop and think the reason the “hunter/Joe” story never made it was because it was proven to be fake?
Yeah, you really believe that someone involved in an international conspiracy would drop off laptops with incriminating evidence at some local fix-it shop and forget about them?
Sure.
That’s the thing, you want to believe something so badly that you don’t even question the information. No proof needed, just a good story.

How was it proven fake? The media blackballed it.
The info was legit, it doesn’t bother you that the media wouldn’t even let you know about it?
 
Because signature verification is a mostly made up science. A persons signature can vary wildly 5 mins apart nevermind years apart like most voter databases are. In vegas there are about 10 "major" signature verifiers for sports memorabilia. I used to move a lot of signed cards. You could send a card to each verifier and get a completely different result from each one. Hell sometimes you could just resubmit to the same person and get a different result. Some people have very unique and consistent signatures, but most people do not. It's also incredibly easy to forge signatures which is why only the super rares have any real value. The only signature that has high accuracy is biometrics.
Election signature verification is mostly done by machine scanning. They build in around a 60% or lower tolerance level which makes it completely useless. They have to assume that each signature is valid and prove otherwise. Your 4 year old kid could sign your ballot and pass the scan. When verification is done manually its untrained staff verifying a dozen signatures at one time with a quick glance. Here is a very well done article analyzing the uselessness of signatures.

Yeah, here they were all bitching about how long it was taking to count votes and now they want a scientific verification of 150 million signatures?
I’ve pointed out several times that my signature never looks the same. I’ll be signing a stack of papers and it will change from the front to the end several times. My dad’s signature was a spot on duplicate each and every time. Hell, one of the first signs of Alzheimer’s we noticed in him that his signature started to change.
 
Yeah, here they were all bitching about how long it was taking to count votes and now they want a scientific verification of 150 million signatures?
I’ve pointed out several times that my signature never looks the same. I’ll be signing a stack of papers and it will change from the front to the end several times. My dad’s signature was a spot on duplicate each and every time. Hell, one of the first signs of Alzheimer’s we noticed in him that his signature started to change.

It shouldn’t be too hard to tell the difference between the signature for who signed for the ballot application, and who filled it out.
Sounds like y’all k is exactly what happened, and are fine with it.
 
False.

Unlike you, I don’t let elections dictate my self-worth. I smoke dope and party every day, no matter who’s in the White House.

I am similar to you, however, in that I get to talk about our elected officials in any manner I choose.

Trump is an idiot, AOC is the college sophomore know-it-all at the family holiday meals, Hillary was a shitty nomination, and Obama is making hella $$$$$$$$$$ as a US citizen while you’re busy being “a hater and a loser.”

You’d think that having your boy Trump in office would make you happier. Chill, warrior-cat, chill...

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Tell us how Trump "botched" it as you proclaimed. Be specific.

One of many examples:

On March 20, Dr. Fauci flat-out said "no" when asked if hydroxychloroquine was effective against COVID-19. President Trump then took the mic and said "I think we disagree a little bit. I feel good about it. That’s all it is, just a feeling, you know, smart guy. I feel good about it."

The very next day:

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A few weeks later:

President Trump said:
"And the other thing that we bought a tremendous amount of is the hydroxychloroquine -- hydroxychloroquine --which I think -- as you know, it’s a great malaria drug. It’s worked unbelievably. It’s this powerful drug on malaria. And there are signs that it works on this. Some very strong signs. And, in the meantime, it’s been around a long time. It also works very powerfully on lupus. Lupus.

"So there are some very strong, powerful signs, and we’ll have to see. Because again, it’s being tested now. This is a new thing that just happened to us -- the 'invisible enemy,' we call it.

"And, if you can, if you have a -- no signs of heart problems, the azrithromycin -- azithromyci -- which will kill certain things that you don’t want living within your body -- it’s powerful drug -- if you don’t have a problem, a heart problem, we would say: let your doctor think about it. But as a combination, I think they’re going to be -- I think they’re two things that should be looked at very strongly.

"Now, we have purchased and we have stockpiled 29 million pills of the hydroxychloroquine -- 29 million. A lot of drugstores have them by prescription, and also -- and they’re not expensive. Also, we’re sending them to various labs, our military. We’re sending them to the hospitals. We’re sending them all over."

Meanwhile, in the real world:

The American Heart Association said:
The antimalarial medication hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin are currently gaining attention as potential treatments for COVID-19, and each have potential serious implications for people with existing cardiovascular disease. Complications include severe electrical irregularities in the heart such as arrythmia (irregular heartbeat), polymorphic ventricular tachycardia (including Torsade de Pointes) and long QT syndrome, and increased risk of sudden death. The effect on QT or arrhythmia of these two medications combined has not been studied.

The FDA said:
June 15, 2020 Update: Based on ongoing analysis and emerging scientific data, FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) to use hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients when a clinical trial is unavailable or participation is not feasible. We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery. This outcome was consistent with other new data, including those showing the suggested dosing for these medicines are unlikely to kill or inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19. As a result, we determined that the legal criteria for the EUA are no longer met. Please refer to the Revocation of the EUA Letter and FAQs on the Revocation of the EUA for Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate and Chloroquine Phosphate for more information.

The FDA said:
July 1, 2020 Update: A summary of the FDA review of safety issues with the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat hospitalized patients with COVID-19 is now available. This includes reports of serious heart rhythm problems and other safety issues, including blood and lymph system disorders, kidney injuries, and liver problems and failure.

We wasted God only knows how much time and money stockpiling a medicine that's not only totally ineffective aginst COVID19 but also screws people with cardiovascular problems, based not on scientific reasoning, but "just a feeling, you know, smart guy". Hell, one poor guy in Arizona killed himself by drinking fish tank cleaner after hearing the President's irresponsible remarks. But it's not at all surprising, considering the "experts" President Trump surrounds himself with:

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