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POLITICAL THREAD

How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
Where in God's name did you get I wanted socialism. I mean, I know you don't use facts to back your arguments, nor read them.

-"America has the best health care in the world."

-"uhm, actually no facts exist to support that statement. In fact every single piece of data shows its failing behind other countries, however, maybe use a system other capalist countries use."

-"That data means you're a commie socialist."

-"what the hell are you even talking about?"

This was our exact conversation. This is why we don't engage. You don't live in reality. You're counter claim was a country whose health care is rated above ours, but still not close to number 1.

Your facts were, hey, at least we're not that turd.

And the whole point is better economics. You have these cartoon level thinking processes. No one wants socialism. Not remotely. The reason everyone has insurance was because the dumbass uninsured were costing the regular insured more money. That's a conservative idea. Make people actually pay for stuff. Your solution was let them pay $5, which that sounds more like socialism. Paying what you can. I mean, that's the level of discourse that comes from you. It's though you don't actually think about the words you say/type.

When you advocate the solution is people just pay what they can, that's socialism. When you claim without fact, our nation has best healthcare, that's socialism, because you put the state above actual fact check. I am arguing for a system where people pay their actual share.

Now the point, is that's not what happened. The point was to make people actually pay and fix the system. It didn't.

It's not liberal or conservative values that are killing this country. It's dumbasses that make claims with out facts backing up their claims.

You're using WHO as an example of why the US has worse Healthcare than other nations LEK. I disagree with that, a large portion of their ranking is ease and speed of service.
Walking into a pharmacy and the pharmacist also prescribing medicine.

I didn't advocate pay what you can, I used an example of my wife's office when you claimed people were going without care.

Stop with the childish insults, if you get your knowledge of the medical position from a documentary or a WHO study then surely you're smart enough to see its a slanted view.

What you fail to understand is Universal Healthcare isn't the scary part. It's what that will lead to. Everyone knew ACA was set up to fail, but once you take that first step there is no going back. The Dems realized that, that's why they rushed it through.
 
I've shown the numbers. So, your reduction ("All we did") is nonsense. It isn't all it did by a long shot.

Yea it is, the Russian people don't care Moe.

The embargo didn't cause the contraction so much as the drop in oil prices.

They aren't leaving Crimea, they turned the tables back in favor of Assad in Syria, we pulled missiles in Poland, they took the fight to ISIS.
They're skirting our aircraft, making low level runs on ships, and flying into our airspace, and we do nothing. The passiveness makes the US look weak and emboldens Russia and China.
 
We were marginalizing the enemy, not glorifying them like you and your buddy Trump are doing. It's called giving aid and comfort to the enemy so congrats, commie lover. You already hate your own government so I would imagine the plunge into communism is no big deal.

Some of us love our country and are willing to fight for it rather than beg Putin to like us so we will feel protected.

Why do you hate religion? You know communism is anti-religion, didn't you? How does that square with your fundamentalist Olympic park bombing?

Yeah, just like I thought. Another America hating godless anti-free trade LGBTQ convention pimping Donald Trump Republican. You're so predictable.
You've got a little spittle on your chin there buddy. Now calm down and tell us what's the matter?
 
Lefties and obama claimed Russia was no big deal. 1980 called, remember that?

Now you twats want to make them out to be the worst in the world.

How do you dipshits make such sharp turns without breaking your necks?

I change my ideas when the facts change. What do you do?
 
You're using WHO as an example of why the US has worse Healthcare than other nations LEK. I disagree with that, a large portion of their ranking is ease and speed of service.
Walking into a pharmacy and the pharmacist also prescribing medicine.

I didn't advocate pay what you can, I used an example of my wife's office when you claimed people were going without care.

Stop with the childish insults, if you get your knowledge of the medical position from a documentary or a WHO study then surely you're smart enough to see its a slanted view.

What you fail to understand is Universal Healthcare isn't the scary part. It's what that will lead to. Everyone knew ACA was set up to fail, but once you take that first step there is no going back. The Dems realized that, that's why they rushed it through.
Why is every cite slanted? You don't understand the rigors of clinical research. This isn't like it's an opinion.

The cheap insults started when you called me a socialist without using facts. In reality, it was your claim to have people pay what they can, that was socialist.

It's frustrating discussing things with you. You don't use facts to back up your assertions. You think your opinions are equal as facts.

It's like Newt on CNN being shown violent crime is at an all time low, yet says he feels unsafe more than ever. He was shown the facts and ignored them.

That's the issue, too many times you and others, argue from emotion. It's how you feel.

The ACA was to actually make people pay for things that were getting for free. You're so enslaved by party ideas, that you don't even realize the ACA in its form was a republican idea. It makes people pay for stuff.

Less government, yet spend more on military. So less government by making it bigger? It's the kind of double speak that comes out constantly.

It's like Tommy. His only retort is you're dumb. That's it. Literally, every idea of his gets rejected by fact. But he goes by his feelings.
 
Why is every cite slanted? You don't understand the rigors of clinical research. This isn't like it's an opinion.

The cheap insults started when you called me a socialist without using facts. In reality, it was your claim to have people pay what they can, that was socialist.

It's frustrating discussing things with you. You don't use facts to back up your assertions. You think your opinions are equal as facts.

It's like Newt on CNN being shown violent crime is at an all time low, yet says he feels unsafe more than ever. He was shown the facts and ignored them.

That's the issue, too many times you and others, argue from emotion. It's how you feel.

The ACA was to actually make people pay for things that were getting for free. You're so enslaved by party ideas, that you don't even realize the ACA in its form was a republican idea. It makes people pay for stuff.

Less government, yet spend more on military. So less government by making it bigger? It's the kind of double speak that comes out constantly.

It's like Tommy. His only retort is you're dumb. That's it. Literally, every idea of his gets rejected by fact. But he goes by his feelings.


This is what I hate about your constant begging of facts:

This week we were lied to by Obama about the 400M payoff.......but to hear him tell it the facts are it isn't a ransom.

Anyone who reads the D knows your main goal here is to play contrarian and ruffle some feathers.
 
I don't understand. All participants in multi-sided negotiations aren't after the same ends.A Russia which is interested in restricting Iranian nuclear weapons is still a Russia which could be harboring new imperialist ambitions. A Russia which has an historical ally in Syria could have very different goals in the region over ISIS than an Iran which wants -- as the old Irish saying goes -- to return to its place in the comity of nations.
Take it a face value. Simple political gamesmanship. The GOP excels at it also but I mentioned nothing about Russian imperialism, ISIL or Ireland. The political point was NOT to mention Russia as an ally in the Syrian Civil War or their contribution in the Iran nuclear deal. Democrats used Russian money in an American presidential race as a scare tactic. It's what they all do.
 
Not saying the Clintons have people killed, but people around them seem to die in strange ways.

Most recently, John Ashe, who was being investigated on corruption charges died when he accidentally dropped a barbell on his throat.

How in the fart does that happen.
You should say they have people killed because I think its obvious that they do. Theres been people who have went against the Clintons since the mid 1990s who "mysteriously" died. Theres been 3 within the last 2 or 3 weeks that mysteriously died. There can't be that many coincidences.
 
LA Times daily tracking poll.....

:popcorn:
Though I'm not a big poll guy but I saw this one. No way its true though, idiots like Z and people in the media have claimed its over even though Hitlery has already lost her convention bounce.
 
This is what I hate about your constant begging of facts:

This week we were lied to by Obama about the 400M payoff.......but to hear him tell it the facts are it isn't a ransom.

Anyone who reads the D knows your main goal here is to play contrarian and ruffle some feathers.

I don't believe that's his main goal. It's just a consequence of his blatant socialism and blind allegiance to the socialistic programs and ideals of the current democratic party. He doesn't understand his sickness and is innocent due to ignorance. Much like HRC and her private server. He and Z are like Hillary's public servers.
 
You're using WHO as an example of why the US has worse Healthcare than other nations LEK. I disagree with that, a large portion of their ranking is ease and speed of service.
Walking into a pharmacy and the pharmacist also prescribing medicine.

I didn't advocate pay what you can, I used an example of my wife's office when you claimed people were going without care.

Stop with the childish insults, if you get your knowledge of the medical position from a documentary or a WHO study then surely you're smart enough to see its a slanted view.

What you fail to understand is Universal Healthcare isn't the scary part. It's what that will lead to. Everyone knew ACA was set up to fail, but once you take that first step there is no going back. The Dems realized that, that's why they rushed it through.

A component of the rankings is cost...we charge 3-5 times the cost for knee replacements in comparison to other industrialized nations. Nothing scientific about knee replacements these days. In and out in two days. England has the same standards of living...yet we pay a significant premium for the same healthcare for routine procedures. Why's that?

You b1tch about the cost of healthcare and then proceed to b1tch about the tools to deal with the outrageous costs. Typical Republicans. B1tch, b1tch, b1tch, no solutions. No alternatives. Nothing. Republican party use to have ideas...now it is the party of hating, old white people

Also, ACA is working. You act like premiums were a non issue before ACA.
 
Z brings up 3 moron GOPers that say they won't support Trump, but won't bring up some delegates at the DNC said they won't vote Hillary, nor beings up the 10,000 or so people outside of the convention chanting "Hell no DNC we won't vote for Hillary"

He thinks 3 people will damage Trump? I hate to think what he thinks of 10,000 saying they won't vote for Hillary.
 
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Defense spending in relation to all federal spending. Did defense spending go down, or did spending on federal programs go way up?

Probably both.

This is America. If you like Putin so much then head on over there and move in with him. Maybe you can get the apartment next to Snowden.

For the 100th time, Hillary sold the uranium to Putin. Trump has hypothetical ties to Russia. Between the two, Hillary is much more tied to russia.

Of course we all know this. Don't expect the left cheerleaders to admit it. Just expect them to continue to parrot trump and Russia in hopes some low info voters will start believing it.

Like I said...Hillary Republicans.

The media will continue to point out Republican after Republican office holder who will be voting for Hillary going forward. Love the media.

If there's a Republican anywhere in the world who says they'll vote for hillary, the msm will find them and report it.

If there's a dem voting for trump, they'll ignore it.

Also, ACA is working. You act like premiums were a non issue before ACA.

Define working. Do you mean people are being covered? Yes. But that doesn't change the fact the finances are warped and we were all lied to about the rise in cost.
 
It is NOT working. Pretty easy to find that information. Why couldn't we have allowed insurance companies to compete in every state? That was a republican idea that was shot down.

Nancy Pelosi told all of us that the end game was a single payer system. The dems want health care as a power grab, not for humanitarian reasons. They certainly didn't care about the costs or they wouldn't have pushed for mandatory acceptance of existing conditions. That isn't insurance, it's a discount coupon. Prices had to go up, simple economics.
 
Why is every cite slanted? You don't understand the rigors of clinical research. This isn't like it's an opinion.

The cheap insults started when you called me a socialist without using facts. In reality, it was your claim to have people pay what they can, that was socialist.

It's frustrating discussing things with you. You don't use facts to back up your assertions. You think your opinions are equal as facts.

It's like Newt on CNN being shown violent crime is at an all time low, yet says he feels unsafe more than ever. He was shown the facts and ignored them.

That's the issue, too many times you and others, argue from emotion. It's how you feel.

The ACA was to actually make people pay for things that were getting for free. You're so enslaved by party ideas, that you don't even realize the ACA in its form was a republican idea. It makes people pay for stuff.

Less government, yet spend more on military. So less government by making it bigger? It's the kind of double speak that comes out constantly.

It's like Tommy. His only retort is you're dumb. That's it. Literally, every idea of his gets rejected by fact. But he goes by his feelings.

What the hell do you think universal healthcare is LEK? It's socialism, pure and simple socialism, and it won't stop there, that's just the starting point.

I never said we should use pay what you can, I used an example from wife's office when you said people were going without care because they couldn't afford it.

I don't EVER argue from an emotional point, but I take what I see in the real world and mix with what I read, and many times the 2 don't jive.
The WHO ranks the US lower than most European countries, yet our wait times for surgery are less than those. wait times on cardiac issues, cancer screening, blood pressure, diabetes are all significantly better in the US.
The study takes into account ease and quickness of seeing a Dr and getting scripts. Those countries allow pharmacists to prescribe medications. Just seems like watered down care to me, it looks good on paper and studies.

I don't care if Republicans thought it up, it Romney did it in Massachusetts, I don't live in Mass, they can do what they like. ACA hasn't lowered anyone's bill, it hasn't lowered costs, it's only made hospitals more money.
 
A component of the rankings is cost...we charge 3-5 times the cost for knee replacements in comparison to other industrialized nations. Nothing scientific about knee replacements these days. In and out in two days. England has the same standards of living...yet we pay a significant premium for the same healthcare for routine procedures. Why's that?

You b1tch about the cost of healthcare and then proceed to b1tch about the tools to deal with the outrageous costs. Typical Republicans. B1tch, b1tch, b1tch, no solutions. No alternatives. Nothing. Republican party use to have ideas...now it is the party of hating, old white people

Also, ACA is working. You act like premiums were a non issue before ACA.

We still haven't addressed cost, cost hasn't changed. You think hospitals and Drs are going to lower the cost of a knee replacement? It costs more because we're paying for time. England's wait times are much longer than the US for surgery.
 
Unlike the Donald.

I wasn't making a point about Donald. And if you think his corruption comes within a centimeter peter of Hillary you're probably just a partisan. Her political corruption has been well documented for generations.

I was making a point about her base. She needs around 60% at minimum of the black vote to win this election. Using last elections metric won't tell the true story this time. It's no secret the AA populous voted in large part last election because Hussein Obama was black and a first. It won't happen for her and I think she knows it. With the BLM movement starting to go after her, it will only get worse.

Look for Hillary to turn (as usual for a Clinton) for what's politically beneficial and lean toward the center these last 90 days. She's going to need the white vote more than previously thought.
 
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Congressmen looking for more spending in their districts and generals looking for a cushy retirement position make those kinds of complaints.

There is a lot of "fighting the last war", $5K washers, and people getting paid a lot to do a little in the defense industry.
 
I wasn't making a point about Donald. And if you think his corruption comes within a centimeter peter of Hillary you're probably just a partisan. Her political corruption has been well documented for generations.

I was making a point about her base. She needs around 60% at minimum of the black vote to win this election. Using last elections metric won't tell the true story this time. It's no secret the AA populous voted in large part last election because Hussein Obama was black and a first. It won't happen for her and I think she knows it. With the BLM movement starting to go after her, it will only get worse.

Look for Hillary to turn (as usual for a Clinton) for what's politically beneficial and lean toward the center these last 90 days. She's going to need the white vote more than previously thought.

Oh, you mean this isn't going to work on anyone other than the liberal self loathing panderer crowd?

 
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I wasn't making a point about Donald. And if you think his corruption comes within a centimeter peter of Hillary you're probably just a partisan. Her political corruption has been well documented for generations.

I was making a point about her base. She needs around 60% at minimum of the black vote to win this election. Using last elections metric won't tell the true story this time. It's no secret the AA populous voted in large part last election because Hussein Obama was black and a first. It won't happen for her and I think she knows it. With the BLM movement starting to go after her, it will only get worse.

Look for Hillary to turn (as usual for a Clinton) for what's politically beneficial and lean toward the center these last 90 days. She's going to need the white vote more than previously thought.

Do you mean 60% turn out of black voters or 60% of black votes going to her?

I think she definitely won't get as high a number of black voters as Obama, but she will get a huge percentage of them. Some polls the last few days were saying percentages in the single digits for trump with black voters
 
Do you mean 60% turn out of black voters or 60% of black votes going to her?

I think she definitely won't get as high a number of black voters as Obama, but she will get a huge percentage of them. Some polls the last few days were saying percentages in the single digits for trump with black voters

If she doesn't get close to 60% of black turnout for herself she won't win. Independents are largely still claiming undecided. That probably means they're afraid to say they will be voting trump. If you don't support Hillary by now, you're probably not going to.

Trump doesn't have to have high black turnout.
 
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