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Unless the south turns out to be an absolute cluster, you're going to be disappointed. 0 chance the mainstream narrative is going to be "maybe we shouldn't have shut down the country".

<-- Conservative. But I do think we need a few weeks of quarantining. I think ideally it needs to be somewhere in the middle. Some dems want us to lockdown for like 2 months.. but other repubs don't want any lockdown.

We will know at some point.
 
In modern times, the fact every single member of Congress votes for something it cannot be good. We all know today's congressperson is in it for themselves. So we know it wasn't for the good of the people.

What it really means is that every single congressperson got what they wanted in the bill. So even though the reported price tag is 2 trillion, the actual cost will likely be five or ten times that

I don't understand why you specify modern times. Just because it got lost in history doesn't mean motivations were ever altruistic.
 
Interesting read on Germany

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/8205...n-in-other-countries?utm_source=pocket-newtab

The take-away is that Germany's 16 states are each responsible for their own testing and health care. It's an open-market system. Their death rate is like 0.5% where as Italy's was like 10% and France's is 5%

Shocking..
Well this is very different than what we have done: "I believe that we are just testing much more than in other countries, and we are detecting our outbreak early," said Christian Drosten, director of the institute of virology at Berlin's Charité hospital.
Drosten, whose team of researchers developed the first COVID-19 test used in the public domain, said Germany's low fatality rate is because of his country's ability to test early and often.
When Drosten's university medical center developed what became the test recommended by the World Health Organization, they rolled these tests out to their colleagues throughout Germany in January.

"And they of course rolled this out to labs they know in the periphery and to hospital labs in the area where they are situated," Drosten said. "This created a situation where, let's say, by the beginning or middle of February, testing was already in place, broadly."

This is quite different in the USA where the President said: "I'm a businessperson. I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them," Trump said. "When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."
That was in February while at the same time Germany was prepared and testing broadly. We hadn't even assembled the disassembled pandemic response team at that time, we were wholly unprepared and watch as our President wave and flapped and screamed "Look at me, Look at me!" That is the difference between a "businessperson" and a good President---protecting the nation is the duty of the President not his profit driven business.

It's one thing to read an article it is quite another to understand and think about what information the article contains.
 
Well this is very different than what we have done: "I believe that we are just testing much more than in other countries, and we are detecting our outbreak early," said Christian Drosten, director of the institute of virology at Berlin's Charité hospital.
Drosten, whose team of researchers developed the first COVID-19 test used in the public domain, said Germany's low fatality rate is because of his country's ability to test early and often.
When Drosten's university medical center developed what became the test recommended by the World Health Organization, they rolled these tests out to their colleagues throughout Germany in January.

"And they of course rolled this out to labs they know in the periphery and to hospital labs in the area where they are situated," Drosten said. "This created a situation where, let's say, by the beginning or middle of February, testing was already in place, broadly."

This is quite different in the USA where the President said: "I'm a businessperson. I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them," Trump said. "When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."
That was in February while at the same time Germany was prepared and testing broadly. We hadn't even assembled the disassembled pandemic response team at that time, we were wholly unprepared and watch as our President wave and flapped and screamed "Look at me, Look at me!" That is the difference between a "businessperson" and a good President---protecting the nation is the duty of the President not his profit driven business.

It's one thing to read an article it is quite another to understand and think about what information the article contains.
 
Well this is very different than what we have done: "I believe that we are just testing much more than in other countries, and we are detecting our outbreak early," said Christian Drosten, director of the institute of virology at Berlin's Charité hospital.
Drosten, whose team of researchers developed the first COVID-19 test used in the public domain, said Germany's low fatality rate is because of his country's ability to test early and often.
When Drosten's university medical center developed what became the test recommended by the World Health Organization, they rolled these tests out to their colleagues throughout Germany in January.

"And they of course rolled this out to labs they know in the periphery and to hospital labs in the area where they are situated," Drosten said. "This created a situation where, let's say, by the beginning or middle of February, testing was already in place, broadly."

This is quite different in the USA where the President said: "I'm a businessperson. I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them," Trump said. "When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."
That was in February while at the same time Germany was prepared and testing broadly. We hadn't even assembled the disassembled pandemic response team at that time, we were wholly unprepared and watch as our President wave and flapped and screamed "Look at me, Look at me!" That is the difference between a "businessperson" and a good President---protecting the nation is the duty of the President not his profit driven business.

It's one thing to read an article it is quite another to understand and think about what information the article contains.

A lot of wasted time responding.. when I ever mentioned Trump or the US to begin with.
 
How the stimulus bill got passed. Says this: "The push for a voice vote was about health and safety. The leaders - as well as U.S. Capitol Attending Physician Dr. Brian Monahan – were genuinely concerned about amplifying the health risk to the country by dragging hundreds of lawmakers back to Washington, exposing the public, exposing the lawmakers to one another, exposing Congressional staff, exposing U.S. Capitol Police officers, exposing Congressional maintenance workers and custodians, exposing the Capitol press corps…"

Couldn't even find speculation that it was about having/not having to take a stand on the record.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/how-the-house-approved-the-coronavirus-bill

You think they’re going to admit that? C’mon VH, you’re smarter than that.

You’ve got a hard on for Massie, and it isn’t about the vote.
 
A lot of wasted time responding.. when I ever mentioned Trump or the US to begin with.
And still the nasty facts remain! I cannot make you face the facts, that is on you. This is the same board where people were saying this is a bioweapon made by China. The same board that believed "We have this under control, it will just disappear."
 
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I won’t get too deep into things here, but times like this reinforce my belief that there is no God. At least not one who gives a damn about his children.

His children created this mess...it's called free will and we are going to suffer because we have turned against Him since day one.

To use an analogy....A rebellious teen may choose to leave home because he finds the rules too restricting. He may find a cruel world waiting to teach him the harsh realities of life. But the parents do not stop loving their rebellious son or daughter. They do not want them to be hurt, but they can do little to prevent it if the child is determined to go their own way. The parents hope and pray that the difficult realities of the world will bring their child home, much like the prodigal son in the Bible.
 
God, you suck..
Yeah I get that from people who can't face nasty facts. Do you really believe we were prepared like we should have been? I know that the virus was coming to our shores but our preparedness and our response has been that of children. Do you actually believe governors should be made to Kiss the ring before they get ventilators? That is the present day script of this ongoing comedy of errors.
This is a good reason for Germany's steady response: "Merkel painted a picture of the greatest challenge since World War II, but she did not speak of war," the influential Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper wrote. "She did not rely on martial words or gestures, but on people's reason. ... Nobody knows if t...

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/intern...vid-19-crisis-even-as-power-wanes-818879.html
 
Yeah I get that from people who can't face nasty facts. Do you really believe we were prepared like we should have been? I know that the virus was coming to our shores but our preparedness and our response has been that of children. Do you actually believe governors should be made to Kiss the ring before they get ventilators? That is the present day script of this ongoing comedy of errors.
This is a good reason for Germany's steady response: "Merkel painted a picture of the greatest challenge since World War II, but she did not speak of war," the influential Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper wrote. "She did not rely on martial words or gestures, but on people's reason. ... Nobody knows if t...

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/intern...vid-19-crisis-even-as-power-wanes-818879.html

Do you believe Britain, France, Italy were prepared like they should have been? You know, those quasi-socialist countries that liberals love to hold out as exemplars of “progress”?

Nope. So now you hold out Germany, even though it’s pretty obvious they’re cooking the books.

It can’t be both ways. “Progressive” Europe is getting it’s ass kicked but somehow we’re supposed to believe that we’re handling this worse? Which is it?
 
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You think they’re going to admit that? C’mon VH, you’re smarter than that.

You’ve got a hard on for Massie, and it isn’t about the vote.
Y'all got nothing but your over-active herd response minds, but by golly, it's ours & we're sticking to it. Sad, really.
 
Do you possess the ability to think for yourself? Or Fox News is the all knowing authority?
What I know is y'all conspiracy theorists got nothing but feeding off each other. Pathetic. If the choice is Fox News vs. craziness I read here, yea, I'll take Fox. I sure as hell not accepting the 5-10 of you here who have built your position on a house of cards.
 
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Do you believe Britain, France, Italy were prepared like they should have been? You know, those quasi-socialist countries that liberals love to hold out as exemplars of “progress”?

Nope. So now you hold out Germany, even though it’s pretty obvious they’re cooking the books.

It can’t be both ways. “Progressive” Europe is getting it’s ass kicked but somehow we’re supposed to believe that we’re handling this worse? Which is it?
This is BS and factually misleading---who would have guessed. The countries most often held out for their good governess are the North European countries, the Nordic country's Demark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden. Canada where Americans go to buy drugs affordably and Britain are held out mostly for their highly regarded healthcare.
 
Y'all got nothing but your over-active herd response minds, but by golly, it's ours & we're sticking to it. Sad, really.

We aren’t the ones over acted, and you would have an argument if the house had moved the bill immediately. They didn’t, sat on it an entire day, and didn’t send it until they left town.
 
What I know is y'all conspiracy theorists got nothing but feeding off each other. Pathetic. If the choice is Fox News vs. craziness I read here, yea, I'll take Fox. I sure as hell not accepting the 5-10 of you here who have built your position on a house of cards.
What we’re stating isn’t crazy or conspiracy theorist. It happens all the time in politics, especially election years.
The same reason Obama skipped controversial votes when he was a senator.
 
I don't understand why you specify modern times. Just because it got lost in history doesn't mean motivations were ever altruistic.

Only because I'm not overly familiar with historical context and I assume there were some acts of war that were probably justified and unanimous or nearly so.

But I definitely agree with your point that it's highly unlikely there was ever a time generally where all congresspersons were acting absent their own self interest
 
If the Democrats are already moving on to the next stage which is setting up another impeachment that's very telling as to where this is going and that perhaps they are concerned that the worst of these casualties may even be over

bush didn't act fast enough! He must be investigated. Katrina all over again same playbook every time with these radicals never let a crisis go to waste
 
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In the era of imperialism, businessmen became politicians and were acclaimed as statesmen, while statesmen were taken seriously only if they talked the language of successful businessmen.
Hannah Arendt
 
And so it begins. Another investigation into Trump. This time in the midst of a global crisis. These people are obsessed, sick, and demented. But you knew that already

You know Peloshit wants to go there, since she brought out the old -what did he know, and when did he know it- routine. All the lib-dums have is an agenda to stop Trump in Nov. 2020. If they oust him, all of the D corruption stays safely swept under the rug.

Frankly, Trump is losing some battles now, but with an eye on winning the war. Trump has to wait... but with "more flexibility after the election" he is going to torch them in Jan. 2021, and they know it.
 
What we’re stating isn’t crazy or conspiracy theorist. It happens all the time in politics, especially election years.
The same reason Obama skipped controversial votes when he was a senator.
You got zero on this vote. That it happens, I agree, doesn't mean it happened here. Until you do have something, I'll believe it's nuts. Dragging out what may have happened 15 years ago as a defense shows how weak your case is.
 
Fearful of the dangers big game represented the hapless coward reduced himself to hunting for mice in the barn.
Have you ever explained why you think it was OK for democrats to put tens of millions of dollars worth of pork in a bill, that otherwise could have gone to fighting the disease you are haranguing Trump for not fighting vigorously enough?

I told you to shut up earlier, but this is the only thing I'd like to hear from you.
 
Chinese food is cultural and is not demeaning.. A virus that started in China can be accurate as stated and not racist at all. Being Chinese has nothing to do with the virus, that is why it is found all around the globe. The Chinese that live in the USA aren't necessarily carriers of the virus anymore because they are Chinese than you are because you are American. It is not appropriate to call a virus the American Flu anymore than it is the Chinese Flu. The problem with a lot of racists is they don't know they are racist and are always trying to explain they are not. To them it's just normal to belittle others, they see nothing wrong with it. At one time it was completely normal to think of humans as property, those people own slaves went church on Sunday and thought they were "saved" children of God. They didn't think they were racists either.

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Have you ever explained why you think it was OK for democrats to put tens of millions of dollars worth of pork in a bill, that otherwise could have gone to fighting the disease you are haranguing Trump for not fighting vigorously enough?

I told you to shut up earlier, but this is the only thing I'd like to hear from you.
Have you ever bothered to understand what a straw-man argument is?
 
You got zero on this vote. That it happens, I agree, doesn't mean it happened here. Until you do have something, I'll believe it's nuts. Dragging out what may have happened 15 years ago as a defense shows how weak your case is.

Why did the House hold the bill a day?

I don’t have to prove anything to you, it happened in plain sight.

You keep saying that we’re pushing a crazy conspiracy and you wrote that Massie’s only reason to want a vote was to get people in close quarters with the virus!
I’m done discussing this, you’re a troll.
 
A week ago the virus had killed approximately 200 Americans, we have now eclipsed 3000 dead Americans due to this virus.
 
Have you ever bothered to understand what a straw-man argument is?
There is no straw man. I asked you if you had condemned what the Democrats did, and if not, why? Given that I haven't seen you condemn them, while dedicating paragraph upon paragraph to Trump, it seems like a logical conclusion that, at the very least, you don't condemn it as much as you do Trump's handling of the situation. Pretty straight forward question imo
 
-lol, Levi just discovered Arendt. Likely on facebook.

-you should actually *read* some of her work, you may be surprised.
No I'm not surprised. I read Ann Rand as well many years ago when I was a republican who voted for Reagan but then I watched with open mind. I'm not static either.
Here is more that I think aligns with my thinking:
The insight that peace is the end of war, and that therefore a war is the preparation for peace, is at least as old as Aristotle, and the pretense that the aim of an armament race is to guard the peace is even older — namely, as old as the discovery of propaganda lies.

Hannah Arendt
 
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