POLITICAL THREAD

[BigBlueDave]

Well, India probably does need it for malaria & other diseases.

But this is BS: "even as preliminary findings emerge that the medication isn’t better than regular care in the treatment of the coronavirus"

Yet inside the article it says

"But there is no conclusive scientific evidence that hydroxychloroquine can treat the infection from the novel pathogen. Indeed, a small study published in the Journal of Zhejiang University in China showed that patients who got the medicine didn’t fight off the new coronavirus more often than those who did not get the medicine." You know how many were in that test & given it? FIFTEEN. Yet they come to a conclusion its no good. WTF? At least run a decent size test.

Are they expecting a larger than normal malaria outbreak there?

They are taking care of themselves first and humanitarian efforts on a case by case basis.

If this was about money, which country’s population would pay more for any med?

The U.S. or third world India?

If it’s all bullshit, they are leaving a lot of dollars on the table by not profiting on people’s ignorance of a worthless drug.

 

[vhcat70]

We absolutely will. It's bad enough as is, but the fact they expanded the definition of unemployed makes a giant impact too. Now even self employed and gig workers can get it.

Good luck getting the msm to ever mention that factor.

Also now since they built it in for months, good luck getting anyone back to work. So you'll be rolling through q2 with a large part of the shocking unemployment numbers being voluntary.

Q3 will be the first time we'll see any positive movement on those.

I just don't think that many folks will hold back from taking a job when the unemployment rate is so high.

 

[Bill Derington]

I gave you the timeline, as well as Trumps remarks to the nation, you can ignore all of it if you want, bully pulpit and all! Maybe if you listen to Coumo and Blasio you could grasp the situation better. Maybe you could listen to health experts. Maybe you could even ask yourself, What is it that experts have suggested Trump has ignored. It's like you believe there are two Presidents! Why is ford and GM announcing what they will do to help instead of the President already having moved in that direction.

BTW when Trump was caught by a photographer changing Corona to Chinese on the script he was using---well you will probably try to explain that away as well.

I'm not ignoring anything, I listed actions by Trump that you seem to completely ignore. Why don't you list Cuomo and DeBlasio's comments in a chronological order? Hell, Cuomo is essentially repeating what Trump says from the day before at this point.

Ford and GM are offering to help because the President has stated there is an emergency and all hands on deck. Why dos the President need to force companies to do something when they are volunteering? Do you want an authoritarian as President?

The Chinese deserve a shit ton of blame for this going worldwide, they refused to allow other nations in to help identify the disease. Then claimed it wasn't transferrable between humans, which the WHO parroted.

 

[vhcat70]

Are they expecting a larger than normal malaria outbreak there?

They are taking care of themselves first and humanitarian efforts on a case by case basis.

If this was about money, which country’s population would pay more for any med?

The U.S. or third world India?

If it’s all bullshit, they are leaving a lot of dollars on the table by not profiting on people’s ignorance of a worthless drug.

I serious doubt that that India's medical system has an excess of anything & thus need to do what they can to protect their population. So even normal needs are tough to keep up with there. The rest of your post doesn't matter to me.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I just don't think that many folks will hold back from taking a job when the unemployment rate is so high.

They can either work and experience uneven income. Or stay home and be paid.

I think you'll see some higher end places be able to get their people back because they make good money. More entry level bars/restaurants will be devastated.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Dow, S&P have biggest 3-day gains since 1930s.

-- CNBC

#MAGA.

 

[Bill Derington]

I have responded. It's an AP news article with direct quotes.

The CDC employs 10600 people, their sole purpose is to fight diseases. Why and how exactly is a separate dept consisting of 280 people, of which 160 are still doing the same job, going to protect us? You don't seem to understand how govt agencies and dept's work. They aren't answerable or accountable to each other. So in essence there were 2 govt agencies working wholly separate from each other on the same task.

Has Trump acted faster than any President prior on a pandemic? Were you this upset about Obama's apparent anemic response to the swine flu?

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

 

[vhcat70]

They can either work and experience uneven income. Or stay home and be paid.

I think you'll see some higher end places be able to get their people back because they make good money. More entry level bars/restaurants will be devastated.

So you oppose any unemployment payments? Or just extended payments? Or the size of the extended payments? I seriously can't tell.

Those jobs aren't coming back soon, unemployment checks or not. And when the restaurants do reopen, they'll get by with fewer workers at longer hours if many prefer sitting on their butt. Enough customers, not having enough workers, will be the issue. At age 72, we won't be heading to an inside restaurant or entertainment venue anytime soon when they open. Before this, did it all the time.

 

[trueblujr2]

Joe Scarborough and his crew are the worst on TV. The very bottom of the food chain and have the same value to society as the virus. He is a bitter man

Lower than Don Lemon?
Lower than Rachel Madcow?
Lower than Fredo Cuomo?
Lower than Brian “George Costanza” Stelter?
Lower than Jim Acosta?

writing that list really causes me to give up whatever hope I had in the media actually reporting factual unbiased information. It really is a race to see who can sink the lowest.

 

[AustinTXCat]

This is why education is so important. So, saying the Corona virus originated in China is not racist, that is factual, saying the virus is Chinese is racist because you are attaching a very negative attribution to an entire race of people. It is a virus not a human nor a human characteristic, it would infect and has infected people of any race. Giving the virus a cultural or national identity is not only ignorant of what you are talking about it is racist. That is simply a racist misunderstanding of nearly everything about the virus.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

Lower than Don Lemon?
Lower than Rachel Madcow?
Lower than Fredo Cuomo?
Lower than Brian “George Costanza” Stelter?
Lower than Jim Acosta?

writing that list really causes me to give up whatever hope I had in the media actually reporting factual unbiased information. It really is a race to see who can sink the lowest.

All are lower than lowest low. Just one big POS after another. I pick Scarborough because he pretended to be a conservative as a U.S. Rep from the Florida Panhandle. Probably the most conservative area in America. He was a fraud then and when he got to New York City the truth came out.

 

[AirRaidFreshman76]

Does anyone actually trust anything the cdc or who has to say? They're both completely corrupt as is any bureaucracy

 

[Bill Derington]

So you oppose any unemployment payments? Or just extended payments? Or the size of the extended payments? I seriously can't tell.

Those jobs aren't coming back soon, unemployment checks or not. And when the restaurants do reopen, they'll get by with fewer workers at longer hours if many prefer sitting on their butt. Enough customers, not having enough workers, will be the issue. At age 72, we won't be heading to an inside restaurant or entertainment venue anytime soon when they open. Before this, did it all the time.

If you pay people more on unemployment than they can make working, they will use it as long as possible.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Dow, S&P have biggest 3-day gains since 1930s.

-- CNBC

#MAGA.

No msm headlines about them sooooaring. Would be too afraid algorithms might pick it up and include it in Spains death tolls.

So you oppose any unemployment payments? Or just extended payments? Or the size of the extended payments? I seriously can't tell.

Those jobs aren't coming back soon, unemployment checks or not. And when the restaurants do reopen, they'll get by with fewer workers at longer hours if many prefer sitting on their butt. Enough customers, not having enough workers, will be the issue. At age 72, we won't be heading to an inside restaurant or entertainment venue anytime soon when they open. Before this, did it all the time.

I'm opposed to free money. Typical unemployment requires efforts to work. This does not.

 

[Bill Derington]

Does anyone actually trust anything the cdc or who has to say? They're both completely corrupt as is any bureaucracy

I'll tell you what I don't trust, a poster that's been on here a couple of weeks that comes in with a flame thrower. There's one or two guys that are very clearly posting under about half a dozen screen names.

 

[trueblujr2]

Bill Gates has a vaccine? Lmao

Yep.
Take it
Die
Cured.

 

[screwduke1]

 

[trueblujr2]

We absolutely will. It's bad enough as is, but the fact they expanded the definition of unemployed makes a giant impact too. Now even self employed and gig workers can get it.

Good luck getting the msm to ever mention that factor.

Also now since they built it in for months, good luck getting anyone back to work. So you'll be rolling through q2 with a large part of the shocking unemployment numbers being voluntary.

Q3 will be the first time we'll see any positive movement on those.

The first week of April, when the jobs report is released. The media broadcasts will be NSFW or family friendly. They will be better suited for pornhub due to all the screaming on air orgasms.

 

[BBUK]

So you oppose any unemployment payments? Or just extended payments? Or the size of the extended payments? I seriously can't tell.

Those jobs aren't coming back soon, unemployment checks or not. And when the restaurants do reopen, they'll get by with fewer workers at longer hours if many prefer sitting on their butt. Enough customers, not having enough workers, will be the issue. At age 72, we won't be heading to an inside restaurant or entertainment venue anytime soon when they open. Before this, did it all the time.

 

[vhcat70]

If you pay people more on unemployment than they can make working, they will use it as long as possible.

But those payments don't last for ever. And if businesses are short of workers they'll pay more when they can make money. Those that choose to not work will be the ultimate losers.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

This is what New York was saying in February. Trump was being critized for being harsh on China and the New York City Health Commissioner wanted to make everyone aware Trump was spreading misinformation about the coronvirus. Trump hates Chinese. Now look where they are. And this is Trumps fault.




Commissioner Oxiris Barbot
@NYCHealthCommr
·
Feb 9
Today our city is celebrating the #LunarNewYear parade in Chinatown, a beautiful cultural tradition with a rich history in our city. I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus.

A Guide to Lunar New Year in NYC
Where to celebrate the holiday.
nycgo.com

 

[vhcat70]

Typical unemployment requires efforts to work. This does not.

OK, but what is your basis for that statement? I mean what in th bill makes this unemployment different? Thanks.

 

[anon_013cn8yrfncx2]

Important to remember the words of Ronald Reagan.

It’s not that liberals don’t know anything, it’s that everything they know is untrue.

 

[JRCAT14]

OK, but what is your basis for that statement? I mean what in th bill makes this unemployment different? Thanks.

You've bashed people for their viewpoint on this and you don't know the answer to that! Unbelievable!

 

[vhcat70]

You've bashed people for their viewpoint on this and you don't know the answer to that! Unbelievable!

So helpful. Thanks. Feel better?

 

[Levibooty]

The CDC employs 10600 people, their sole purpose is to fight diseases. Why and how exactly is a separate dept consisting of 280 people, of which 160 are still doing the same job, going to protect us? You don't seem to understand how govt agencies and dept's work. They aren't answerable or accountable to each other. So in essence there were 2 govt agencies working wholly separate from each other on the same task.

Has Trump acted faster than any President prior on a pandemic? Were you this upset about Obama's apparent anemic response to the swine flu?

To be honest I don't remember the Swine flu being this big of a threat and a world-wide threat. Maybe Obama mishandled as badly as you intimate, I really don't know all the details. Why do you think that relevant today? When Obama left office there was a pandemic response team in placed, when the pandemic hit our shores it no longer existed. What I have read is that Obama made mistakes and organized the CDC in a way to have a pandemic response team comprised of our best at that singular event. That is addressed in the AP article I posted. Did you read that article? It rang pretty clear to me.

 

[vhcat70]

I'm opposed to free money. Typical unemployment requires efforts to work. This does not.

This is what I see about the unemployment part:

"Unemployment insurance would also be significantly bolstered for four months by increasing payments and extending the benefit to those who typically do not qualify, such as gig economy workers, furloughed employees and freelancers. Specifically, the bill would increase the maximum unemployment benefit that a state gives to a person by $600 per week and, according to Schumer, ensure that "laid-off workers, on average, will receive their full pay for four months."

How is this "free money" different?

 

[JRCAT14]

So helpful. Thanks. Feel better?

Nope. Don't change anything. Maybe you should ask the questions concerning something that are unfamiliar with before you attack someone.
Have a good day.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

OK, but what is your basis for that statement? I mean what in th bill makes this unemployment different? Thanks.

That is in the contents of the bill as reported.

Unemployment requires a duty to work or look for work. This does not.

You've bashed people for their viewpoint on this and you don't know the answer to that! Unbelievable!

 

[JRCAT14]

That is in the contents of the bill as reported.

Unemployment requires a duty to work or look for work. This does not.

Maybe you can also explain to him that not only is there no requirement to look for work, an individual would get their normal unemployment benefits plus another $600 per week. Who is going to even try to get a job before this well runs dry.

 

[Bill Derington]

But those payments don't last for ever. And if businesses are short of workers they'll pay more when they can make money. Those that choose to not work will be the ultimate losers.

Of course they don't last forever, that isn't the point. How are businesses going to be short of labor, 3.3 million people just filed for unemployment.

If people can draw more sitting at home than they can working a ton will do just that.

 

[cole854]

To be honest I don't remember the Swine flu being this big of a threat and a world-wide threat. Maybe Obama mishandled as badly as you intimate, I really don't know all the details. Why do you think that relevant today? When Obama left office there was a pandemic response team in placed, when the pandemic hit our shores it no longer existed. What I have read is that Obama made mistakes and organized the CDC in a way to have a pandemic response team comprised of our best at that singular event. That is addressed in the AP article I posted. Did you read that article? It rang pretty clear to me.

Obama sucked at everything, so he screwed this up as well. Even the things we don't know about, he screwed up.

Pretty simple.

 

[qwesley]

Dow, S&P have biggest 3-day gains since 1930s.

-- CNBC

#MAGA.

Will fuzz and others who like to benchmark gains under Obama from financial crisis do the same here?

 

[P19978]

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Is that $15m in USD or bolivar?

 

[Bill Derington]

To be honest I don't remember the Swine flu being this big of a threat and a world-wide threat. Maybe Obama mishandled as badly as you intimate, I really don't know all the details. Why do you think that relevant today? When Obama left office there was a pandemic response team in placed, when the pandemic hit our shores it no longer existed. What I have read is that Obama made mistakes and organized the CDC in a way to have a pandemic response team comprised of our best at that singular event. That is addressed in the AP article I posted. Did you read that article? It rang pretty clear to me.

The swine flu wasn't as big of a deal because the media didn't make it as big of a deal. Worldwide pandemic, millions in the US contracted it, thousands died, shortage of respirators and masks just as today, only there wasn't an economic meltdown due to everything closing.

The pandemic response team was formed after the ebola outbreak, not the swine flu.

What would the pandemic response team do that the CDC was not capable of?

Obama's response is relevant because he was the last President that responded to a pandemic that was in the US. You're claiming Trump had done so poorly, when it's obvious he has outperformed by a mile the last US response.

 

[trueblujr2]

Maybe you can also explain to him that not only is there no requirement to look for work, an individual would get their normal unemployment benefits plus another $600 per week. Who is going to even try to get a job before this well runs dry.

It’s rather ridiculous the way it’s worded and hopefully they amend it.
If I’m not mistaken, doesn’t typical unemployment pay about 50-60% of your pay up to a certain amount? If this had been revised to something like 90% of your pay for a period of time, that would be more palatable. Not just a blanket $600 on top of whatever. Maybe I’m misunderstanding it all and if so please correct me.

Also, isn’t it a requirement of all employers to pay into unemployment insurance? It’s the gig economy workers and the self-employed that I don’t understand. If you’re an Uber driver, you are essentially a contract 1099 worker are you not? They aren’t withholding taxes on you. Does Uber have to pay into unemployment for people who might work 3 days a week for a few hours to earn a few extra bucks?
Also, if you’re self employed wouldn’t you be more inclined to apply for the small business assistance dollars?

 

[qwesley]

Atlantic writer...

 

[vhcat70]

Maybe you should ask the questions concerning something that are unfamiliar with before you attack someone.

Well that's nice & vague.

 

[JRCAT14]

It’s rather ridiculous the way it’s worded and hopefully they amend it.
If I’m not mistaken, doesn’t typical unemployment pay about 50-60% of your pay up to a certain amount? If this had been revised to something like 90% of your pay for a period of time, that would be more palatable. Not just a blanket $600 on top of whatever. Maybe I’m misunderstanding it all and if so please correct me.

Also, isn’t it a requirement of all employers to pay into unemployment insurance? It’s the gig economy workers and the self-employed that I don’t understand. If you’re an Uber driver, you are essentially a contract 1099 worker are you not? They aren’t withholding taxes on you. Does Uber have to pay into unemployment for people who might work 3 days a week for a few hours to earn a few extra bucks?
Also, if you’re self employed wouldn’t you be more inclined to apply for the small business assistance dollars?

A lot of good questions. I don't have the time to try and give an answer to all right now. Some I might not even be able to answer without doing some research.
Your first statement concerning normal benefits is somewhat correct to the best of my knowledge. It varies state to state. That is what one of the problems with trying to make sure everyone gets 100% of their pre-layoff pay. Which I have no problem with.

I don't understand why they could not have allocated X amount to be set aside and given to the states to make up the difference instead of giving everyone $600. If it's used up before the 4 months is up they could always allocate more if need be. It is the government with the bottomless purse.

With the way it's worded, in a lot of states they are saying that people will get paid more to set at home.
Maybe someone can help with the rest of your (good) questions.