What's wrong with Medicare? Medicaid is better than nothing. Nothing is poor.
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Bernie's single payer Medicare for All is government controlled medical care. You do as you're told & get what they tell you you get. No choices. See Canada. See Brits National Health Service.
But Bernie gets the finest doctors the tax payers can afford. Make that commie use the same doctors as everyone else.
Noone makes anyone do anything. Everyone is there for voluntary employment. They can leave whenever they want.
People working more than one job also don't voluntarily. Either to save money, to enjoy their current lifestyle to get ahead, to make up for bad choices, etc. It doesn't really matter. It's voluntary. With other systems it isn't.
There is no moral purity in economics. Either I get what I earn, or someone else gets what I earn. The former is much more fair than the former.
Lmaoo
An entire generation is like this. They live with their parents, never done or owned anything, but feel smart because they copy/paste something from a Bernie bro website that's probably propped up by Chinese or Russian money.
That's why they get annihilated when their views encounter logic and reason
Big difference. The Danes grew up in their situation. They weren’t suddenly forced to convert to a system that suddenly doubles their taxes. I own a modest home. Not a mansion. I have a little over an acre of land. My home And property is worth about $280 - 300K. I’m not sure what that would owning property of that value in Denmark would classify me as. Regardless, Doubling my taxes would force me to downsize.
The tax increase Bernie has stated he would make. Around 12%, to cover MCA would far exceed the $109 dollars I’m having deducted from my check, pre-tax mind you, and which includes a certain level of life insurance and a couple of other optional coverages, vision and dental.
Not to mention, Bernie wants our tax dollars to cover people who are here or come here illegally. Denmark certainly doesn’t allow for that. And explain what kind of dangerous slippery slope it would be to open our borders then allow all those coming here free everything. Just how Is that even comprehensible? How would that not invite an absolute massive amount of illegals pouring into our country to get those services. How would that flood impact the level of care we get? How would that flood not make waits for that care untenable? It’s literally flawed logic.
As far as being happy goes...
https://news.gallup.com/poll/284285/new-high-americans-satisfied-personal-life.aspx
This is a lie. Trump did no such thing. Yet almost 100k likes and 23k retweets.
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You guys don’t understand. Bernie, Dion and WildcatsBoston will be in the ruling class when they convert the country to communism. Because they’re so smart. They won’t have to deal with us proletariat slugs at all then.
And he responded to my question but never really answered it and never stated how his life would personally be impacted. Never mind also that Denmark has about the same population as Michigan so it’s truly apples and oranges.
Probably most importantly. Denmark has been mostly comprised of people of Danish lineage. Very little diversity in the population. You are now seeing the problems in these Scandinavian countries when they started opening their borders to immigrants more freely.
And you think what Bernie Sanders wants to do is just all going to be implemented full scale immediately? If you think that then you’re an idiot.
But part of the government’s job is to regulate moral behavior, hence why every local, state, and national government has laws that regulate was is legal and illegal, many laws of which pertain to economics and finances.
Lol, now he’s posting “John Oliver” clips.
boy is full of dumb
boy is full of dumb
Government does not regulate moral behavior. Unbelievable
I think you hit the nail on the head. A large percentage of those clamoring for Socialism are people who want to be protected from their own poor life choices and lack of direction.
I have grown so weary of the intentional lies from the left. Also come to realize it’s their strategy. The general public is too busy, dumb, or indifferent to sort through their bullshit. Liberals can say basically anything with no repercussions.
Nobody makes you buy from a corporation. That’s a fact.
Now, I want you to explain how it’s moral for the government to redistribute what I worked for to other people. I’ll be waiting for your answer.
You have some good ideas here CRO. Without accessing your references, I can agree that 70% of innovation related to health is done in the U.S. Help me though. I am really worried about socialistic radicals pushing government on me. Expanding Medicare and Social Security and taxation on Social Security on top earners sounds too "socialistic". The profit motive must be kept in all areas of our economy and to ensure that innovation continues we must not allow any element of competition to arise to the private market. Thus, we become USSR or Venezuala.
The profit motive also must be preserved when addressing infectious diseases. We must make sure that the cost research and production of vaccines is considered when pricing. Lets let the market handle that. To make sure big government does not overwhelm the healthcare industruy, we must make sure that if a healthcare executive determines that corona virus vaccine is worth investing in, we must make sure he sets the cost. Otherwise, it will not be profitable ($) and thus he won't make any money. This is the incentive. If corona virus vaccine cost is set at $200 per injection, we must preserve this cost. The cost/benefit ratio analysis will set the rate according to what the market expresses. Of course, some people will die but the fundamentals will be preserved.
I'll assume you are serious. I come to this board for rational discussion of political issues. I am confused though; it does seem that the GOP is less nihilistic. I rely on the Real news to at least operate in the real world.
Yes. If you want to call it Socialist, Capitalist, Anarcho-Syndicalist, Libertarian, Social Democratic, Democratic Socialist, or Communistic, the latest data (via the Liberal Hacks at the Yale institute) report Medicare for All saves about $480 billion per year. Of course, we must prepare that Americans will interpret these savings as encouraging for their lives, as they receive quality healthcare. Next stop, Venezuala.
And bernie mutters under his breath "when I win...all the private jets will be mine"
Yes. That is a good point and strategy. It is a technique that works pretty well. Lets say I disagree with an approach. I point out some statistics that indicate a reality and then say the other side is "Utopian". It is an effective technique, because it shuts down further exploration of the issue. Like if I say the U.S. is Utopia because it is a capitalist system. But hold on, is the U.S. a capitalist system? I just want to be consistent. In my community I've been trying to get leaders to put a cost on the following to subject them to market forces: the fire department, the police department, the public library, my public park, the social security my mother receives, Medicare, and the roads under my feet. I'm running on this platform for mayor and hope I get a lot of votes.
Bug grease butter...$13.95 a stick at whole foods...
Elect Bernie and/or Warren and they will provide Bug Grease Butter free of charge to all who cannot afford to save the world because of systemic oppression.
You are being unfair Boston. Your statement doesn't fit with my narrative so I choose to call you, lets say, Castro or Chavez. That's all I got.
Thats such a good point about morality in economics. The "invisible hand of the market" will lead to better overall outcomes and the meritocracy will thrive. This is what we are trying to achieve but the liberals in San Francisco are preventing us from letting capitalism to its work. Economics is economics. Save your morality for Sunday. What the market determines is amoral. It is what it is. Of course, the Fed just pumped in $480 billion to the banks one month ago at 2.5 % interest and then they loan out the money to the public at 12%. Of course that loan must be part of the laissez-faire plan. I looked all over Breitbart, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC for an analysis of this Fed Loan but came up dry. I must be the only one interested.
I am too, but Id like to hear what he envisions, he is running for Mayor after all.
For real. And the Bernie Bros are pumped up by special interests, which I think we all hate.
Watch. The liberals in New York will support Trump once behind the curtain. Of course, they will say that are Blue no matter Who. They love those tax cuts. They wish Trump would just be a little more polite though, and their wives wanna have something to talk about at cocktail parties to make them seem woke.
Of course the Bernie Bros choose not to work and it's pretty clear that the Bernie Bros. are not working two jobs in the service industry without health insurance, paying another mortgage for childcare, and bailing their neglected kids out of jail. I'm sure these folks received the advanced degree in Economics requires to understand Capex's ongoing decline and the relationship to static wages over the last 30 years. As well, they understand propaganda techniques used to frame discussion that ultimately lead to an educated person ending the discussion with "you're a boobie head".
I'm sure they also have read Fukuyama and Thomas Friedman who alerted us in the early 90's of "the end of history". There was no human will involved in globalization and "labor markets". It was God's will, that lifted all boats for best possible outcomes, where investment would go where there would be best return. Sorry about your luck if you didn't thrive within this framework. It was simply mandated.
I have no idea what this means. You must work within a dualistic framework for me to understand. Too much context and realism here; I wish I understood.
So you understand how and why Trump was elected. The voting public saw exactly what you’re railing against.
You know what those Bernie Bro’s really liked? Free trade agreements and manufacturing going to China. Probably liked that more than the tax cut, as their state taxes in NY were no longer deductible.
Those service industry jobs were primarily entry level jobs prior to 20-25 years ago. Because they require little skill, only we shipped out a large portion of the manufacturing jobs that people moved onto as they aged.
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