POLITICAL THREAD

[warrior-cat]

He also suggested earlier this week that the US didn't lose in Vietnam because we won all the big battles. You aren't dealing with the brightest bulb here

And I guess Hillary did win the presidential election according to you guys as well. It is just a matter of perspectives. Reading comprehension and understanding could help you too. The military (Amercians) actually won the major battles, it was the politicians and anti Americans back home that lost the war.

 

[warrior-cat]

Nice one chief. You are the dolt suggested that one must have all the beliefs of their political party and agree with everything. Of all the dumb things I have read on this site, that is up there. Anyone, conservative or liberal, that agrees with everything their "party" pushes is truly not thinking for themselves. Congrats on that.

You fit that description to a T. Blindly suggesting that you do not. Typical liberal response.

 

[SomeDudeCRO]

What did you do, compare a train engineer in Canada vs an Aerospace engineer in the US?

My targeted and highly unassailable google research shows an average of $61k in Canada and a range of $56k-$75k in the US depending on state (the northeast and Hawaii being on the high end.)

It was California I googled first page says 93k from indeed.com and then it said "in line with rest of America"... because that was my original line of thinking going back to my previous posts, about the same population but California much more robust economy, not favorable to Canada a fair comparison by cherry picking California but it's to show my overall point with simple easy to follow numbers, actual result would be less dramatic if you really wanted to do a thorough assessment apples to apples.

But the end result would exist all along the spectrum of wages and occupations except for the low end. It's not an example meant to deceive but illustrate without getting bogged down in meaningless details.

In the end as an economic reality, in order to lower cost for everyone by government intervention, you have to raise actual cost for most everyone.

 

[AustinTXCat]

 

[warrior-cat]

You must have selective memory. Someone posted, "You can be a liberal and not support everything. You get that right?"

Your response: "No, you can't"

At this rate, I won't be voting for president. I passed on the 2016 presidential election and probably will do the same again next year.

He was probably responding to you or most liberals on here when he posted "No "YOU" cannot" in which case he would be correct because, in contrary to what you posted, YOU cannot.

 

[LeBranthony Javis]

Are we really building a wall around Colorado?!?

Trump blindsided me with that one today.

Will current residents be allowed to leave? Is this about legalized marijuana? Crime?

What in the hell is going on in Colorado?

 

[warrior-cat]

Lol hilarious they are attacking Zuckerberg. First...its journalists job to fact check...not a social media platform.

What's on display here is what dems really think about ppl. That they are stupid. What they should be asking is if people believe these ads....why do they believe them over themselves? Or why would ppl believe them over journalists? They cant possibly take responsibility that ppl domt like them bc of decades of failed policy and ppl dont trust journalists bc of their selective coverage (just like they are doing now claiming its wrong to ask warren if she'll raise taxes). So what they are really mad about is that ppl wont believe their lies anymore and they are desperate to get them back.

Zuckerberg will cower and give money to their next campaigns to appease his accusers..

 

[BBUK]

And I guess Hillary did win the presidential election according to you guys as well. It is just a matter of perspectives. Reading comprehension and understanding could help you too. The military (Amercians) actually won the major battles, it was the politicians and anti Americans back home that lost the war.

Not perspective, delusion. (The election has rules and parameters. No place for perspectives....

 

[BBUK]

Zuckerberg will cower and give money to their next campaigns to appease his accusers..

That's about it. Sharpton made and makes his living like that. NASCAR almost caved...

 

[rqarnold]

Your last sentence IS the issue. How many $trillions would a medicare type system for everyone cost? What will that cost every family? Every working taxpayer?

Personally, I'd have no problem with everyone having health care but I do have reasonable concerns about:

1. Government run anything. You want to make a mess of it? You want waste? Just have the government take it over.
2. If we were to have such a system, what is the financial incentive for people to become doctors? Some doctors do their work just to serve humanity, but if I'm a physician, I don't know that I want to work for government wages. I have a physician friend that makes $750K. I was shocked that he made so little with his ed, the hours he works, the strain it puts on him, etc...Give me my little $100K any day.
3. We already have a shortage of providers. We already have to wait four weeks for an appointment.
4. Cost of such a program would grossly increase our tax burden. Look at some of the numbers even the dems suggest it would cost. Unaffordable.

How about this: Allow a medicare type option for basic care...basic preventive and essential care for the poor and elderly. Just to keep you reasonably healthy and alive care. Allow physicians to opt in or out of treating those clients. Maybe have all med students practice 2 years in this system. Allow the rest of us to select our own insurance providers; our own doctors, hospitals,etc.... Allow insurers to decide what type clients they will accept with stipulations: they cover a generational cross section of clients, proportionate males/females. Once covered, they can never drop you.
If you have a pre-existing condition and don't have insurance, if a private company won't take you, you can always go into the medicare option.

I'd hate to see a situation where a poor person is not afforded the same care as a wealthy person, but the bottom line is this: IMO, it's not right to MAKE someone pay more in order to cover someone else. If a person wants to help the less fortunate, that's a personal choice and there are avenues for for that.

1. How much will it cost? Evidenced by the dozens of other examples of like systems...about 40% less than what we currently spend. Even Switzerland which is the next highest is 20% less How can you continue to ignore the examples of every other industrialized nation that spends substantially less per citizen than the US?

Health consumption expenditures per capita, U.S. dollars, PPP adjusted, 2017
United States $10,224
Switzerland $8,009
Germany $5,728
Sweden $5,511
Austria $5,440
Netherlands $5,386
Comparable Country Average $5,280
France $4,902
Canada $4,826
Belgium $4,774
Japan $4,717
Australia $4,543
United Kingdom $4,246

2. What are the financial incentives to become doctors? Ram, physicians make more in Switzerland on average than they do in the US. Averages of $237,106 vs $208,560. That said, I'm not sure that I want docs that are more interested in how much they make than their desire to help heal. Also, what professions offer better compensation and is someone who wants to be a doc going to be happy doing it? You also seem to forget that it hasn't been all that long ago that physician compensation wasn't that extreme. Docs have always done well and would continue to do so.

3. We have a shortage of providers? There is a shortage in more rural areas because there are fewer people with coverage and they have to be willing to eat more bad debt. Larger percentage of people on Medicaid that has lower reimbursement rates. That's why hospitals are closing and moving to larger population areas. Medicare for all or universal care in general would actually encourage doctors to serve in underserved areas because their compensation would be the same as in the city. Add a lower cost of living and it's a win-win for both the doc and rural America.
BTW, if I want to schedule a physical or other "well care" then it can be months to get an appointment. If I'm sick, if YOU are sick or otherwise in need of immediate care you know damn well you could get in to see that doctor today.

4. Again this is the same as your #1. Do I again have to remind you how much you are paying...that we all currently pay? How is the burden of paying for healthcare insurance not a tax? We will spend nearly $4T this year alone. IT COSTS LESS!!!

We already have Medicare and Medicaid that cover the poor and elderly. The problem with that is that it all uses the same infrastructure that is built for the larger system. An infrastructure that is built to profit each entity and not designed to deliver the best care in the most efficient manner. We do so much for convenience it costs us dearly.
Hospitals have the duplication of equipment and facilities to compete with the hospital down the road.

No doctor is required to accept Medicare or Medicaid patients. And it isn't the cost of the physician that is breaking the system...it's the facility cost. For my wife's cancer treatment about 8% of the $250k+ went to pay the doctors. Her torn labrum...the surgeon's bill was $3500...the OR/Recovery was $25K...the total cost for the surgery was $32K Money is saved by making the system more efficient.

You keep saying that nobody should have to pay for other people's care...do you not realize that we already do so? The below chart is 12 yrs old so you can imagine the figures today but you don't think that the cost of that half-billion of uncompensated care wasn't shifted to paying patients? Who do you think pays?

 

[Joerules19]

He was probably responding to you or most liberals on here when he posted "No "YOU" cannot" in which case he would be correct because, in contrary to what you posted, YOU cannot.

hey kittie: Are you really as dumb as you come off? Just keep up the good fight thinking more folks w asthma and the diabetes are liberal. Go ahead and double down on the fact that the US won in Vietnam because they won all the big battles. What other whoppers you going to tell tonight?

 

[AustinTXCat]

I prefer Bernie....

 

[Ed323232]

hey kittie: Are you really as dumb as you come off? Just keep up the good fight thinking more folks w asthma and the diabetes are liberal. Go ahead and double down on the fact that the US won in Vietnam because they won all the big battles. What other whoppers you going to tell tonight?

Dumber

 

[TheFrontRunner]

 

[thabigbluenation]

 

[TheFrontRunner]

 

[TheFrontRunner]

 

[rqarnold]

Look around you you, there are a lot more of fat women on the left and a lot more snowflakes who feign sicknesses on the left. easy to see. More drug abuse on the left. Hell, more neurotic behavior which also helps bring on such health matters. The deck is stacked in your favor.

I guess you haven't attended a Trump rally. Finding a fit woman...or man at one is quite the challenge. In fact there is a pretty good correlation between obesity rates and support for the fat orange man.
States ranked by obesity rate.

1. West Virginia (38.1 percent)
2. Mississippi (37.3 percent)
3. Oklahoma (36.5 percent)
4. Iowa (36.4 percent)
5. Alabama (36.3 percent)
6. Louisiana (36.2 percent)
7. Arkansas (35 percent)
8. Kentucky (34.3 percent)
9. Alaska (34.2 percent)
10. South Carolina (34.1 percent)

10 least obese states...9 of the 10 won by HRC

• Hawaii: 19.0 percent
• Colorado: 20.3 percent
• California: 23.9 percent
• Massachusetts: 24.0 percent
• New York: 24.7 percent
• Minnesota: 24.8 percent
• Connecticut: 24.9 percent
• Utah: 25.1 percent
• Oregon: 25.1 percent
• Washington: 25.5 perce

 

[Joerules19]

Kitty lives in Elgin Oklahoma. Bet you there are a ton of fatties there. Wonder how many of them are republicans?

 

[warrior-cat]

hey kittie: Are you really as dumb as you come off? Just keep up the good fight thinking more folks w asthma and the diabetes are liberal. Go ahead and double down on the fact that the US won in Vietnam because they won all the big battles. What other whoppers you going to tell tonight?

Hey rulesnothing, are you really as lame as you come off. Lock stepping to your taskmasters is the sign of a weak mind. You repeat all far left talking points with no real thoughts of your own.

 

[warrior-cat]

Dumber

Says the loser who has me on ignore.

 

[rqarnold]

Your post caused me to read the rest of his, against my better judgement, but he was saying I didn't understand what GDP per capita meant but he, per usual, didn't comprehend what I meant by the words gross domestic product per person as representative of the actual cost... since the actual cost exists within the economy as a whole.

His map was Canadian dollars per household, but here's a simple example to illustrate my point even further to follow his line of thinking. Let's say I'm an engineer, which means I'm above average intelligence and above average conscientiousness and bridges/buildings whatever have to be built here same as there. Google tells me the average salary is 100k US and 60k Canada, which is 45k US dollars. To keep the math simple and ignore raises cost of living etc, after taxes the American takes home 60k and the Canadian 30k.

Over the course of say a 30 year career, the American has made 1.8 million to the Candian's 900k. So when the American's trips to McDonalds finally catches up to him in the form of adult onset diabetes, he is sitting on an extra million dollars to afford himself 300 dollars a month vs 75 dollars a month. And the actual net worth of the American would be far greater if you start factoring in raises and what he could do with that money over time via investments or whatever else.

So if I'm the same pancake loving engineer here or there, the actual cost to me is lower here than there and I'm far better off here than there, no offense John Canada is still great too. And really that goes for most any career probably except for the very bottom, the very unlucky and the very destitute which we have a problem with here in more than just healthcare and like healthcare, not taking care of them increases the cost for everyone else. For healthcare, unpaid medical bills are distributed to others cost of insurance as well as the costs of ridiculous settlements for malpractice which also don't happen in socialized medicine. It's not just greedy capitalism which raised cost and socialism is never the answer because it is fundamentally wrong, incoherent, and yes evil.

Why it is never the answer can always be demonstrated with relatively simple thought experiments like I just outlined above, the rub is though the person has to be willing to think beyond the surface, which people like the paddock leftists have shown repeatedly a stark unwillingness to do so... and it's that naive ignorance is precisely what Warren will play on when she releases her plan to show that actual cost won't go up (which it will and it has to) when she raises taxes on the middle class and why so many are deceived by a simple, seductive but critically flawed argument for socialism. It has never worked because it can't work.

When I moved from Ky to TN I doubled my salary. Doubling my salary didn't double my lifestyle because the home in Ky that sold for $100,000 cost me $200,000 to buy here. Good thing that I moved when I did because that same house is $600K today.

Here's another dirty little secret. Employers, especially ones that have employees in multiple states have geographic modifiers that affect their salary scales. Salary scales are normalized for some specific area and then raised or lowered depending on where that employee lives. If I wanted to transfer to one of our Ky offices I would have to take a pay cut to do so. Likewise if I want to transfer to CA, NY, HI...I'd get a nice raise.
That Canadian engineer might make less than his US counterpart...but he lives a very similar lifestyle. His living expenses are lower. Also, if that engineer is in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal he'll earn considerably more than the engineer in a smaller town...just like in the US.

 

[warrior-cat]

I guess you haven't attended a Trump rally. Finding a fit woman...or man at one is quite the challenge. In fact there is a pretty good correlation between obesity rates and support for the fat orange man.
States ranked by obesity rate.

1. West Virginia (38.1 percent)
2. Mississippi (37.3 percent)
3. Oklahoma (36.5 percent)
4. Iowa (36.4 percent)
5. Alabama (36.3 percent)
6. Louisiana (36.2 percent)
7. Arkansas (35 percent)
8. Kentucky (34.3 percent)
9. Alaska (34.2 percent)
10. South Carolina (34.1 percent)

10 least obese states...9 of the 10 won by HRC

• Hawaii: 19.0 percent
• Colorado: 20.3 percent
• California: 23.9 percent
• Massachusetts: 24.0 percent
• New York: 24.7 percent
• Minnesota: 24.8 percent
• Connecticut: 24.9 percent
• Utah: 25.1 percent
• Oregon: 25.1 percent
• Washington: 25.5 perce

Doesn't prove a thing other than going by the average which each liberal in the fattest states are so big they make up for three Trump supporters.

 

[cat_chaser]

So we have Democrats banning the phrase “illegal alien” in NYC, banning the word “bitch” in Massachusetts, championing a ‘boy-girl’ winning a girl cycling event, defending a judge who ruled in favor of a 7 year old changing his sex, and attempting an impeachme....er.....coup behind the secrecy of closed doors.

Yeah, I’d say that MLB ump is on the right track. Stock up.

 

[warrior-cat]

Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
“With this therefore because of this.” Or, as a statistician would say, “Correlation does not imply causality.”

That is, just because two variables coincide with one another doesn’t necessarily mean they have a causal link. For example, if research showed that joggers tend to eat a lot of broccoli, we might say that jogging causes a desire to eat broccoli (or vice versa). This may be true; however, it is far more likely that joggers and broccoli-eaters share a separate variable: a desire to be healthy.

How does this relate to political party affiliation and obesity?

Tomi and Milo have claimed that liberalism leads to weakness and fatness (or maybe vice versa, it’s unclear). They posit a causal link between the two. For the sake of argument, let’s assume that hypothetically there is a strong, positive correlation between liberalism and obesity. Does this mean liberalism causes laziness and gluttony, as Tomi and Milo claim?

The likelihood that adopting a particular political view has an effect on personal health is low. Far likelier is that there are other factors more powerfully predictive of health, such as average income, that are driving the correlation. A low income can reasonably be assumed to cause liberalism because liberal politicians generally support safety nets and welfare benefits. Also, low income causes obesity by resulting in diminished access to health foods, exercise spaces, and nutritional counseling. Therefore, low income can cause both liberalism and obesity.

 

[SomeDudeCRO]

I understand economics Fuzz, nothing that you post does anything to negate the crux of my argument nor do you defend the holes in your position I shine a light on.

You obfuscate with inconsequential details because you have to, you start with the conclusion and work backwards which is why you’ll never arrive at the solution. If you want cheaper and better healthcare for everyone, then socialization is not the answer as I demonstrated.

Raise social security tax on ultra wealthy and then have social security similar to disability programs to help destitute, tax credits like earned income credit to prevent bankruptcies, laws on gouging no out of network costs etc there’s a laundry list no’s to do before going full retard

 

[BBUK]

When I moved from Ky to TN I doubled my salary. Doubling my salary didn't double my lifestyle because the home in Ky that sold for $100,000 cost me $200,000 to buy here. Good thing that I moved when I did because that same house is $600K today.

Here's another dirty little secret. Employers, especially ones that have employees in multiple states have geographic modifiers that affect their salary scales. Salary scales are normalized for some specific area and then raised or lowered depending on where that employee lives. If I wanted to transfer to one of our Ky offices I would have to take a pay cut to do so. Likewise if I want to transfer to CA, NY, HI...I'd get a nice raise.
That Canadian engineer might make less than his US counterpart...but he lives a very similar lifestyle. His living expenses are lower. Also, if that engineer is in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal he'll earn considerably more than the engineer in a smaller town...just like in the US.

Is there a home in TN worth 600k? Fake news...

 

[BBUK]

President Trump is building a wall in Colorado. I understood almost immediately what the President meant. I can't wait to see what the media and their employees the demosocialcommunist congress has to say about it...

 

[warrior-cat]

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KIbMms97Bd0xkAiqhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBybGY3bmpvBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1571907629/RO=10/RU=https://www.thewealthrecord.com/article/richest-countries-world-2019//RK=2/RS=dHxICa7XTZ_aB7RGBO.XrKeqvTY-

You can find and post anything that bolsters your position on the internet. Richest country in the world according to this site? USA! USA! USA! USA !

 

[Wildcats1st]

Your post caused me to read the rest of his, against my better judgement, but he was saying I didn't understand what GDP per capita meant but he, per usual, didn't comprehend what I meant by the words gross domestic product per person as representative of the actual cost... since the actual cost exists within the economy as a whole.

His map was Canadian dollars per household, but here's a simple example to illustrate my point even further to follow his line of thinking. Let's say I'm an engineer, which means I'm above average intelligence and above average conscientiousness and bridges/buildings whatever have to be built here same as there. Google tells me the average salary is 100k US and 60k Canada, which is 45k US dollars. To keep the math simple and ignore raises cost of living etc, after taxes the American takes home 60k and the Canadian 30k.

Over the course of say a 30 year career, the American has made 1.8 million to the Candian's 900k. So when the American's trips to McDonalds finally catches up to him in the form of adult onset diabetes, he is sitting on an extra million dollars to afford himself 300 dollars a month vs 75 dollars a month. And the actual net worth of the American would be far greater if you start factoring in raises and what he could do with that money over time via investments or whatever else.

So if I'm the same pancake loving engineer here or there, the actual cost to me is lower here than there and I'm far better off here than there, no offense John Canada is still great too. And really that goes for most any career probably except for the very bottom, the very unlucky and the very destitute which we have a problem with here in more than just healthcare and like healthcare, not taking care of them increases the cost for everyone else. For healthcare, unpaid medical bills are distributed to others cost of insurance as well as the costs of ridiculous settlements for malpractice which also don't happen in socialized medicine. It's not just greedy capitalism which raised cost and socialism is never the answer because it is fundamentally wrong, incoherent, and yes evil.

Why it is never the answer can always be demonstrated with relatively simple thought experiments like I just outlined above, the rub is though the person has to be willing to think beyond the surface, which people like the paddock leftists have shown repeatedly a stark unwillingness to do so... and it's that naive ignorance is precisely what Warren will play on when she releases her plan to show that actual cost won't go up (which it will and it has to) when she raises taxes on the middle class and why so many are deceived by a simple, seductive but critically flawed argument for socialism. It has never worked because it can't work.

I read his post but if one does not have a command or knowledge of basic economic terminology then the rest of what they say is total bullshit. To gain a real grasp of healthcare systems and the economic drivers the nations being compared must be of economic scale. Canada, Norway, Switzerland none of them are in the same stratosphere economically as the USA. Even if you combine them still no where close.

The only proper comparison would be to compare the EU with the US. I doubt the Swiss would be ok paying for the healthcare of the Greeks or other eastern euro nations. The same in the USA. People from a place like boulder Colorado shouldn’t have to shoulder the burden of the people in Baltimore. Every time I hear someone discuss healthcare regarding some pacifist socialist nation i immediately disqualify their opinion. Does it mean that those healthcare system are wrong?? No. But it does mean that they are wrong for the USA bc the USA is about free choice and open markets. Really there are no socialist democracies without the USA to protect their ass.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Wait...have any of the libs on here explained how Trudeau shouldnt be prime minister. He just lost the popular vote. Seems they should be outraged about it

 

[Joerules19]

Doesn't prove a thing other than going by the average which each liberal in the fattest states are so big they make up for three Trump supporters.

I am going to be in Tulsa this weekend. Going to keep a running total of the pub fatties I encounter.

 

[IdaCat]

hey kittie: Are you really as dumb as you come off? Just keep up the good fight thinking more folks w asthma and the diabetes are liberal. Go ahead and double down on the fact that the US won in Vietnam because they won all the big battles. What other whoppers you going to tell tonight?

STFU already. You’re a member of a party that you know is garbage. You share a classification “liberal” with the same party of morons. All you seem to have left in life is abundant TDS. If you weren’t so conflicted you’d realize that Trump is the anecdote to the progressive cancer. These are good times. Pull your head out of your ass.

 

[TheFrontRunner]

Cameraman freaks out when he sees that Free Hong Kong shirt...

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Medicare 4 all commies. I know seeing bigger picture is difficult but I'll lay some things out.

Current Medicare = bankrupt, pays at 80%, denies more claims than private insurance, reimburses less than private insurance.

M4A proposes reimbursing less than current medicare.

The problem with that. What is one of the biggest employers in the country? Hospitals. Theres one in virtually every community in the country. They pay staff, hire positions, pay overhead, invest in technology, etc on reimbursements. You are proposing not only unconstitutionally ripping insurance away from 180 million americans, you are also openly supporting paying ppl lower wages: nurses, therapists, social workers, techs, custodians. You are also saying...no more growth and less opportunity. Sounds greedy and ruthless.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

hey kittie: Are you really as dumb as you come off? Just keep up the good fight thinking more folks w asthma and the diabetes are liberal. Go ahead and double down on the fact that the US won in Vietnam because they won all the big battles. What other whoppers you going to tell tonight?

Why don't you and your liberal friends tell me about the military defeats the United States faced in Vietnam? I'm sure you're an expert on military history.

 

[Joerules19]

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A2KIbMms97Bd0xkAiqhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBybGY3bmpvBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1571907629/RO=10/RU=https://www.thewealthrecord.com/article/richest-countries-world-2019//RK=2/RS=dHxICa7XTZ_aB7RGBO.XrKeqvTY-

You can find and post anything that bolsters your position on the internet. Richest country in the world according to this site? USA! USA! USA! USA !

where can I find the website that tells me the US won the Vietnam War?

 

[warrior-cat]

I read his post but if one does not have a command or knowledge of basic economic terminology then the rest of what they say is total bullshit. To gain a real grasp of healthcare systems and the economic drivers the nations being compared must be of economic scale. Canada, Norway, Switzerland none of them are in the same stratosphere economically as the USA. Even if you combine them still no where close.

The only proper comparison would be to compare the EU with the US. I doubt the Swiss would be ok paying for the healthcare of the Greeks or other eastern euro nations. The same in the USA. People from a place like boulder Colorado shouldn’t have to shoulder the burden of the people in Baltimore. Every time I hear someone discuss healthcare regarding some pacifist socialist nation i immediately disqualify their opinion. Does it mean that those healthcare system are wrong?? No. But it does mean that they are wrong for the USA bc the USA is about free choice and open markets. Really there are no socialist democracies without the USA to protect their ass.

The final point is what most of these people do not understand and is what I have been saying for years. Most of these countries mentioned would be in much worse shape if not for the United States footing the bill for their protection.

 

[JStaff2187]

I guess you haven't attended a Trump rally. Finding a fit woman...or man at one is quite the challenge. In fact there is a pretty good correlation between obesity rates and support for the fat orange man.
States ranked by obesity rate.

1. West Virginia (38.1 percent)
2. Mississippi (37.3 percent)
3. Oklahoma (36.5 percent)
4. Iowa (36.4 percent)
5. Alabama (36.3 percent)
6. Louisiana (36.2 percent)
7. Arkansas (35 percent)
8. Kentucky (34.3 percent)
9. Alaska (34.2 percent)
10. South Carolina (34.1 percent)

10 least obese states...9 of the 10 won by HRC

• Hawaii: 19.0 percent
• Colorado: 20.3 percent
• California: 23.9 percent
• Massachusetts: 24.0 percent
• New York: 24.7 percent
• Minnesota: 24.8 percent
• Connecticut: 24.9 percent
• Utah: 25.1 percent
• Oregon: 25.1 percent
• Washington: 25.5 perce

Probably because the cost of living in many of those HRC states is insanely high. Most can’t afford to eat (much less overeat) and pay $2,000/mo to live in a closet.

 

[TheFrontRunner]