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Here is a paycheck go to a lib stronghold and start something. Bought and paid for. WWE Summerslam.

Lib stronghold? WTF? So you're saying that freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble should be suspended in areas where libs might be offended?

If the "proud boys" would have been left alone then nothing would have made the news. Antifa could just as easily have protested the next day with their message. Each side has the right to state their views and neither has the right to stop the other.

Under no circumstances should antifa violence be overlooked or justified.
 
Yeah no shit, but what point are you proving when there is an actual riot every time Ben Shapiro goes to a college campus? The plan is . . . at some point the media will report on it fairly? What's the endgame?
So the best thing to do is just sit back and do nothing? Not challenging them from the get go is why we are where we are. This nonsense should have never been allowed to start.
 
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[roll] They don't seem to understand you can be 100% anti-fascists and also be against a group of masked, far left, fascist thugs who ironically call themselves antifa. Calling themselves antifa doesn't absolve them from their love for communism and fascistic actions.

That's like someone saying "What? You're against the Democratic Republic of North Korea? Democratic Republic is literally in the name. You are either for a democratic republic or not. Simple as that."


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Lib stronghold? WTF? So you're saying that freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble should be suspended in areas where libs might be offended?

If the "proud boys" would have been left alone then nothing would have made the news. Antifa could just as easily have protested the next day with their message. Each side has the right to state their views and neither has the right to stop the other.

Under no circumstances should antifa violence be overlooked or justified.
Typically most cities try to separate the counter protesters. They can be in the same area but protesters are in one area and counter protesters in another. Portland just allowed them to co-mingle on purpose to incite conflict.
 
Typically most cities try to separate the counter protesters. They can be in the same area but protesters are in one area and counter protesters in another. Portland just allowed them to co-mingle on purpose to incite conflict.

Exactly. They also slant their story to make it seem like the fascist antifa terrorists are somehow protecting American interests.

Want to know how public education has failed this country? Liberals exist. That's how.
 
So the best thing to do is just sit back and do nothing? Not challenging them from the get go is why we are where we are. This nonsense should have never been allowed to start.

I believe the nonsense has been challenged every step of the way. The Shapiro/Milos protests were 3 years ago. Mitt produced his binders of women 7 years ago to prove he wasn't sexist. The only thing that's been effective has been Trump and social media destroying false narratives in real time.

I'm not sure what to do about it to be honest, but sitting back and doing nothing seems less bad that trying to have a street fight in Portland. Worst case from that event is Charlottesville part 2, what's the best case?
 
My favorite one...

"My 6 year old child just asked me if he was going to be taken away from me and put in a cage too. This is Trump's America everyone. I'm literally so scared I'm shaking."

It's crazy that they will literally make shit up to support the narrative they create in their heads. Truly disturbed people.

Yup and tweets like that go "viral" and get like 20-30k likes and retweet. No 6 year old has any clue about what kind of policies we have for illegal immigration. I mean try and talk to a 6 year old about the differences of legal and illegal immigration, hell just try to talk to them about what immigration is period for more than 3 minutes. The kid will lose interest and ask a question like, "mom can I have a hotdog".
 
Obviously Shapiro should be able to speak and protesting violent thugs that bomb government buildings should not be akin to white supremacy, but we're dealing with people who don't believe in heterosexuality.

My question is, what did the protest or the 8th riot at a Shapiro college speech accomplish? What was it trying to accomplish? Seems like we're fishing for a martyr.

Im not really sure there was some big meaning behind the Shapiro college speeches. I dont think he was trying to make some big point. I think it was as simple as republican college kids getting the money together to pay him to come talk at their campus. So I dont think Shapiro was doing it to rile people up and I think the majority of the college kids really just wanted to listen to a prominent conservative speaker.

I personally just dont see the Shapiro college campus tour thing in anyway stirring the pot. Colleges pretty much have speaking events like every week of the year. Not sure how conservatives wanting a conservative speaker to come as stirring the pot.
 
This is what I dont get. I can definitely see him killing himself after he got sentenced. Living the luxury life he has lived and then having life behind bars for the rest of his life and being a pedo in prison as well. Ya I can see him saying screw this Im out. But that is after he got sentenced.

You would think right now he would be threatening to play all his cards to get out of this like he did 10 years ago. You would think he would be saying I can give you dozens of business tycoons, politicians and royals if you let me off. But offing himself before he gets a chance to rat and try to get himself off just seems weird to me.
 
Im not really sure there was some big meaning behind the Shapiro college speeches. I dont think he was trying to make some big point. I think it was as simple as republican college kids getting the money together to pay him to come talk at their campus. So I dont think Shapiro was doing it to rile people up and I think the majority of the college kids really just wanted to listen to a prominent conservative speaker.

I personally just dont see the Shapiro college campus tour thing in anyway stirring the pot. Colleges pretty much have speaking events like every week of the year. Not sure how conservatives wanting a conservative speaker to come as stirring the pot.

It shouldn't stir anyone's pot, but yet it does. If a certain group of people want to suppress free speech, then that group is about as anti-American as they can be. How can you be thought of as "progressive" when your end game is going position you right along the side of every other failed attempt at equality? The proper term for that kind of thinking would be "regressive".
 
Im not really sure there was some big meaning behind the Shapiro college speeches. I dont think he was trying to make some big point. I think it was as simple as republican college kids getting the money together to pay him to come talk at their campus. So I dont think Shapiro was doing it to rile people up and I think the majority of the college kids really just wanted to listen to a prominent conservative speaker.

I personally just dont see the Shapiro college campus tour thing in anyway stirring the pot. Colleges pretty much have speaking events like every week of the year. Not sure how conservatives wanting a conservative speaker to come as stirring the pot.

That's fair. I think I was conflating him and Milo. Does anyone remember what happened? I believe the reaction to Milo caused "the battle for Berkeley", and Shapiro was going to come after and had to cancel? Something like that.
 
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I am proud to be an American, nationalist, veteran, and retiree. Call me what you want, you are a domestic terrorist and a pedophile.

By the way, my mind is clear because I don't party. Proud to say it too. If that is what it takes to be diverse, you can keep that weak ass stuff. It is why you cave like a pansy. MAN UP BOY!

You sound like you raped men while serving in the army. Grunting “man up, boy” while you shove your 3-inch dick in some helpless dude’s asshole.

That’s if you actually did serve in the army, which I’ve heard is fake news. If either case is true - raping men or faking military service - you should be ashamed, you cucky little “Proud Boy.”
 
That's fair. I think I was conflating him and Milo. Does anyone remember what happened? I believe the reaction to Milo caused "the battle for Berkeley", and Shapiro was going to come after and had to cancel? Something like that.

I can get Milo. Milo's entire schtick was him being a troll and being provocative. Even though that was still them just having a conservative speaker, I think there are plenty of extreme people on the left talking at campuses with no blow back. But ya Milo's whole thing was him poking the bear and ya the riot at Berkeley was because Milo was going to talk.

I just dont see Shapiro in that same view. Shapiro is pretty cookie cutter conservative with his views, doesn't say anything to provoke, but isn't afraid to not say something just because it may hurt someones feelings. I dont think having Shapiro talk at a college is stirring the pot personally even though they had to spend tons of money for security. That is 100% an overreaction by the school and people trying to shut down free speech on campuses.
 
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It shouldn't stir anyone's pot, but yet it does. If a certain group of people want to suppress free speech, then that group is about as anti-American as they can be. How can you be thought of as "progressive" when your end game is going position you right along the side of every other failed attempt at equality? The proper term for that kind of thinking would be "regressive".

Oh it definitely stirred the pot for the far left progressives. But I mean whispering at a convention and using the word "guys" to address the group of people is considered stirring the pot for that group of people. So Im basing it off of would it be considered stirring the pot for regular humans haha.
 
You sound like you raped men while serving in the army. Grunting “man up, boy” while you shove your 3-inch dick in some helpless dude’s asshole.

That’s if you actually did serve in the army, which I’ve heard is fake news. If either case is true - raping men or faking military service - you should be ashamed, you cucky little “Proud Boy.”
I’ve been staying away from this board because of the vitriol. Thanks for reminding me why.
 
After the last couple of decades I offer the intellectuals (is plural justified LOL) who I know and who bravely embrace a new future with little more than promise I offer this not so recent but prescient observation:

The Greek tradition found virtue in the pursuit of rational self interest, a tradition that later found expression in Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" in which is posited "rational self-interest" as an "invisible hand" upon "free markets". Recent bank failures, recession, accounting crimes and corporate scandals, however, amount to enormous empirical evidence that "laissez faire" capitalism is a myth, and if not a myth, an impractical ideology. The "invisible hand" --as modern conservatives have defined and appropriated it --is mere "wishful thinking".

If there is an "invisible hand" it does not militate against crooks, charlatans, and fast buck artists who have now firmly ensconced themselves as much in board rooms as among sleazy fly-by-nighters. The Reagan administration alone, like that of Warren Harding before it, is proof that, left to its own devices, an elite, robber-baron class will act to enrich itself and, in the process, imperil the nation. Business is not the business of America or, indeed, any nation which wishes to remain solvent or, in other ways, ensure the defense and futures of its people. A 'robber baron' era, a 'Gilded Age' did not merely precede the Great Depression, it caused it by impoverishing every other class but the upper crust. While there has never been a bust without the 'bubble' that precedes it, the 'bubble' itself is the result of the deliberate transfer of wealth to an increasingly small elite. Today, in America, that elite is but one percent of the total population. It owns more than some 95 percent of the rest of us combined.

Markets left to their own devices trend toward oligopoly in which oligarchs effect political plutocracy through the exercise of sheer political muscle, intimidation, fraud, and outright bribery. The "invisible hand" does not moderate the rich and powerful. If a ruling cabal is to be moderated it must be done by political action and the power of cooperative or, perhaps, 'socialist' interventions.

Len Hart
 
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After the last couple of decades I offer the intellectuals (is plural justified LOL) who I know and who bravely embrace a new future with little more than promise I offer this not so recent but prescient observation:

The Greek tradition found virtue in the pursuit of rational self interest, a tradition that later found expression in Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" in which is posited "rational self-interest" as an "invisible hand" upon "free markets". Recent bank failures, recession, accounting crimes and corporate scandals, however, amount to enormous empirical evidence that "laissez faire" capitalism is a myth, and if not a myth, an impractical ideology. The "invisible hand" --as modern conservatives have defined and appropriated it --is mere "wishful thinking".

If there is an "invisible hand" it does not militate against crooks, charlatans, and fast buck artists who have now firmly ensconced themselves as much in board rooms as among sleazy fly-by-nighters. The Reagan administration alone, like that of Warren Harding before it, is proof that, left to its own devices, an elite, robber-baron class will act to enrich itself and, in the process, imperil the nation. Business is not the business of America or, indeed, any nation which wishes to remain solvent or, in other ways, ensure the defense and futures of its people. A 'robber baron' era, a 'Gilded Age' did not merely precede the Great Depression, it caused it by impoverishing every other class but the upper crust. While there has never been a bust without the 'bubble' that precedes it, the 'bubble' itself is the result of the deliberate transfer of wealth to an increasingly small elite. Today, in America, that elite is but one percent of the total population. It owns more than some 95 percent of the rest of us combined.

Markets left to their own devices trend toward oligopoly in which oligarchs effect political plutocracy through the exercise of sheer political muscle, intimidation, fraud, and outright bribery. The "invisible hand" does not moderate the rich and powerful. If a ruling cabal is to be moderated it must be done by political action and the power of cooperative or, perhaps, 'socialist' interventions.

Len Hart

Lol garbage
 
Im not really sure there was some big meaning behind the Shapiro college speeches. I dont think he was trying to make some big point. I think it was as simple as republican college kids getting the money together to pay him to come talk at their campus. So I dont think Shapiro was doing it to rile people up and I think the majority of the college kids really just wanted to listen to a prominent conservative speaker.

I personally just dont see the Shapiro college campus tour thing in anyway stirring the pot. Colleges pretty much have speaking events like every week of the year. Not sure how conservatives wanting a conservative speaker to come as stirring the pot.

Exactly. It was just speaking tour where a personality was making money for an appearance. He was there to make money and speak to his audience. Just like hundreds/thousands did before.
 
Our markets aren’t left entirely to their own devices and the 95% have never been richer than they are now.

Socialism would retard all growth and send us into a new dark ages, which may or may not be inevitable anyway but you can rest assured that process would be accelerated if we elected people who sought to retest failed bad ideas.

It’s just not open for serious debate; try to come to the perhaps uncomfortable conclusive reality that what you want to be true is different than what actually is.
 
Oh and I actually read more of the drivel instead of skimming it as I usually do.

Bubbles are not created because of wealth transfer to the elite, but a necessary result of growth cycles due to borrowing and repaying.

Part of the reason the Muslim world is so underdeveloped and backwards is their religious views on usury and borrowed interest repayments. You can’t grow without borrowing, which you have to repay and one mans spending is another’s income who in turn spends it in a big cycle.... man, if only there were more 420 bros out there teaching fundamental mathematical logic to our youths we wouldn’t be producing he levibootys of the world.
 
Our markets aren’t left entirely to their own devices and the 95% have never been richer than they are now.

Socialism would retard all growth and send us into a new dark ages, which may or may not be inevitable anyway but you can rest assured that process would be accelerated if we elected people who sought to retest failed bad ideas.

It’s just not open for serious debate; try to come to the perhaps uncomfortable conclusive reality that what you want to be true is different than what actually is.

This is an example of a great post! It was a mini debate and I will be interested to see the rebuttal.
 
Doesn't that make Robert O'Rourke a racist too. He's white.
But dont you see, he's checked his white privilege by changing his name, marrying into a family worth over 500 million dollars and running for president.

I wont lie, Im learning a lot from "Beto" on the proper way to check my white privilege. Now I just have to change my name to Jorge and find a daughter of a rich tech billionaire and then I would know that unlike the other naughty racist white people, I actually did something to check my white privilege.
 
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