If you actually think, with what we know, that Trump obstructed justice you're nuts. Mueller wasn't fired, Trump never prevented anyone from speaking to him, they gave them all the info they requested. There was no obstruction
POLITICAL THREAD
- Thread starter kybobcat
- Start date
If you actually think, with what we know, that Trump obstructed justice you're nuts. Mueller wasn't fired, Trump never prevented anyone from speaking to him, they gave them all the info they requested. There was no obstruction
Mueller absolutely had a conflict. He was involved in actual Russian collusion during the uranium one treasonous ordeal
Again from the report: “Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider”"the Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting President of wrongdoing."
The marketing campaign certainly didn't help, neither has the Dollar Shave Club, Harry's Razors, etc., Oh and that hipster beard craze that's still going around.
We get that, we all know the damn process. That does not prevent him from making a criminal referral to Congress. Starr did just that in 98 against Clinton.
There was no obstruction, Trump could've fired Mueller at any point and it would've been perfectly legal, bad politically, but legal. He could've claimed executive privilege like Clinton did several times in the Starr investigation, but he never did. Mueller received everything he wanted.
Which was under the old Independent Counsel law which was not part of the DOJ like the new Special Counsel law is. We've been over this point before. Ken Starr's investigation and Mueller's had very different legal restrictions.
Incorrect on both points. As Mueller laid out in the report, firing with corrupt intent is not covered under the president's Article II powers. And Trump refused to be interviewed, he did not give Mueller everything he wanted.
I agree with a portion of what you said. But you make it sound as if you need to be perfect to be a Christian. That’s the exact opposite of what Christianity is about. We’re all imperfect, have flaws, make bad choices at times and need Jesus.
In a perfect world we wouldn’t need money or power. But the world is an imperfect place.
Obama lied through his teeth too. Saving money on healthcare, keeping your doctor, and being Christian for examples. Did that anger you? He told Putin he was super flexible once. Putin’s a bad man right? As far as treating leaders a certain way, until Trump sends NK billions in cash, I’ll take trying to be diplomatic over all out war, bribery, and/or aiding terrorism.
The world is a crazy place. No one is perfect. Trump does things I don’t like. But out of our choices he’s IMO, the best and doing a better job than not.
Guys, let Dion and Platinum keep believing muh Russia. Best case scenario they keep their heads up their ass until 2020.
Obviously those retards are too stupid to listen to facts and reality, but by posting all the facts and reality you run the risk that some lefty loony toons might stop pushing muh Russia.
Obviously those retards are too stupid to listen to facts and reality, but by posting all the facts and reality you run the risk that some lefty loony toons might stop pushing muh Russia.
That was Mueller's choice. His excuse because he didn't have the goods.
The OLC didn't force that on him. He had all the authority to make a criminal referral. That's why he was hired and given prosecutorial power.
Besides only a moron would believe that moral judicial high ground crap after Mueller completely flipped innocent until proven guilty on its head by claiming he didn't exonerate Trump like he's a God or something.
Making a recommendation or criminal referral isn't the same thing as charging someone with a crime. You're conflating big time.
Mueller had the authority to make a criminal referral. He chose not to citing reasons of fairness but then followed it up by being as unfair as it gets and flipping the bedrock standard of innocent until proven guilty on its head.
Last edited:
You just stated he couldn't because of the Constitution, so which is it?
No matter how bad you want it to be, there was no obstruction.
Well at least we have that going for us, which is nice.
He didn't fire him, how is that obstruction? Trump took written questions
You have reading comprehension issues. He couldn't because of the standing DOJ guideline. The line about the Constitution is alluding to impeachment as the mechanism for removing a president, to contrast it with the inability to remove him with criminal proceedings.
Y'all talk about fake news, but it's pretty clear from the responses here that I may be the only one on these boards who's actually read the report.
Last edited:
Prove the intent was corrupt. Obstruction requires it and it's a tall bar. And since Trump legally had the authority to fire him the bar is even taller.
Were Trump's motives corrupt? Or did he want Mueller fired because of his conflicts of interest? Or where his motives the outbursts and short tempered reactions of an innocent man who was defending himself from injustice because he (and his family) was being falsely accused and framed for a crime punishable by death?
With collusion being shot down as a hoax and Mueller having conflicts and Trump having the legal authority to fire him good luck proving intent in a courtroom.
Mueller didn't recommend charges because he didn't have the goods and knows he couldn't prove it. Instead he took the cowards way out and put the responsibility on the DOJ. The DOJ concluded the evidence was insufficient. Case closed.
Last edited:
Starr didn't work under the DoJ so he had no rules he had to follow. They reformed the special counsel after him specifically because he went way outside the bounds of what he should have been doing. The GoP didn't ever want that kind of investigative power used against them.
Ohhhh HELL no!
LMAO!!!
Do you guys really believe everything Donald Trump tells you? Even the posters here who have the mushroom up their ass will bend and flex and make up some kind of “4D CHESS” argument, but most of them know that what you just said is patently false.
Consider yourself corrected. Tariffs on Chinese goods are paid by American businesses and consumers. Meanwhile, China is going elsewhere for grain and soybeans, and Trump is bailing out American farmers with billions of subsidized dollars.
SMH...you probably agreed with Trump’s wine assessment too, didn’t you? Sad!
Criticizing churches for having some sinners and hypocrites in them is like criticizing fitness centers for allowing fat and out-of-shape people to use their facilities.
Whoa bro. That stuff you're smoking is making you paranoid. It was not a loaded question. It was a question from a guy who admittedly knows little about economics.
So let me get this straight. China does not pay the tariffs. American businesses and consumers do. So therefore China should not care how much the tariffs cost, since others are paying them.?
Serious question.
Last edited:
Oh I completely understand that you know little about economics. I’m trying to help you out so you don’t post some weirdo shit like that ever again. Good grief. You admit to knowing nothing about economics but put your trust in Donald Trump, a supreme bullshitter with an equally-sketchy grasp on trade. That’s perverse, bro.
Just submitted my Green Card Renewal application - $540.
Another fee that I am paying by doing things the right way that illegals don't. I don't understand how anyone can be in favor of open borders/illegals. We should be figuring out right now how to deal with those who are already here and then stopping the flow of new bodies.
Another fee that I am paying by doing things the right way that illegals don't. I don't understand how anyone can be in favor of open borders/illegals. We should be figuring out right now how to deal with those who are already here and then stopping the flow of new bodies.
He absolutely could have, Starr couldn’t indict the President either. What was changed was making the report not public.
Mueller.knew he couldn’t indict, but he could recommend charges as the report was confidential.
He made the judgement to allow Barr to decide, which is exactly what happened.
The Justice dept doesn’t exonerate either.
No he didn’t, the issue was it was made public and the President can’t defend himself because he can’t be indicted.
Bro, I trust Donald Trump on economics more than a meth head phony, hypocritical schoolteacher, hiding the turd he really is on here lest he be fired the moment he is identified, teaching 4th Grade math somewhere probably in Podunk, KY.
Last edited:
You're doing it the legal way, not the right way. This is a perfect example of the barriers we put up which incentivize illegal immigration. Desperate migrants don't have $540. So they hop a fence.
Have you noticed the price of anything going up?
So you think everyone should just have free entry?
The weird "does not exonerate him" language was used specifically because of the legal restrictions placed on the investigation. It was used to indicate there is evidence of crimes, but they cannot be referred to in a traditional prosecutorial way. "The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment."
Not since our farmers got bailed out by the federal government. They don’t sleep well at night though. They understand that Trump has no idea what a “trade deficit” means. Now they’re just crossing their fingers and hoping this idiot is actually playing 4D CHESS with trade. Problem is, he’s gambling with their livelihoods. Tons of American citizens were doing just fine with the “HORRIBLE TRADE DEFICIT” with China. Americans just so happen to buy a lot of shit.
The cartels love kids like dionWhat? They pay thousands to get to that fence.
In America, you are guilty until proven Democrat.
Speaking of kids. A rental kid goes for more than $540.
Not to mention they're showing up wearing Jordans and designer polo shirts while snapping selfies on their iPhone.
