Outside rape and incest, why can they simply refuse to make a baby? While I'm not even sure abortion is the right thing to do in the event of rape/incest , it's absolutely not the right thing to do with regard to birth control in general.
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Outside rape and incest, why can they simply refuse to make a baby? While I'm not even sure abortion is the right thing to do in the event of rape/incest , it's absolutely not the right thing to do with regard to birth control in general.
I like your views on most everything. But if you believe a 12 year old girl who gets raped should be forced to carry out a pregnancy, then we will be on totally opposite ends of this spectrum.
The world is a nasty place. Women, in particular young girls will go to some nasty and dangerous lengths to end an unwanted pregnancy if backed against a wall and no other option is available.
I said in my last post that we should try and come up with better solutions and reasons why women should carry out their pregnancy rather than terminate it, but if no option whatsoever is there for them, it will lead to much more suffering and pain. It's a harsh reality, but one that needs to be made available, at least in the early term.
What is this magical date in a pregnancy when that "clump of cells" is transformed into a living fetus? Is it a clump of cells on Monday and a fetus the next day? Serious question: Do the medical professionals have a test to make that determination?
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I didn't say I had the answer, I simply said you can't take it fully away from the girl. You are not going to stop some very awful things from happening. You might not like it, but it is between them and your God, not between you and them.
I am totally against 3rd term abortions, should be illegal imo. I don't know where the middle ground is, when the heart beat starts, but this discussion needs to start and finish in the middle. Taking a hard line stance on either end will get us no where and it is not beneficial for the mental and physical health of our women.
The republicans that didn’t back him should resign immediately! Yes you Mitch.
RQ/Fuzz is salty this week. Coincidence that the stock market is on a roll? Him and Bill Maher have been rooting for a depression as we all know. Pay your bet RQ. That'll get a little more money into the marketplace.
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I think it is generally accepted that a heartbeat can first be detected at around 8 weeks. First trimester ends at 12 weeks - this is where I draw the line currently. As I stated above, if a law were passed that cut it off at 8 weeks, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
I can understand someone being vehemently pro life. I used to be. I softened a bit when I had a daughter. I can also understand and might even get behind removing public funding for abortions. Criminalizing the act is a terrible idea though. As TBBN pointed out above, that isn't going to stop them. They've been on a steady downward trend since Roe. Forcing women to go the back alley route to have them done isn't the answer.
My old employer has a location in Juarez, and when we visited we hired a private security to escort us because we didn't trust the police to handle it. The entire government down there is one corrupt pile of shit.
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Thabigbluenation, great posts. It's not often you see a logical argument about abortion, it's usually some emotionally or religiously charged outburst. More people with an attitude like yours would be a great help to the whole discussion.
I’m not ignorant mr learned one just because i have an opinion different than yours. i don’t believe everything i see and hear, nor do i avow my opinion is 100% proven fact, as you do.
I guess if you researched and verified then it must be bona fide.
What's the saying? Opinions are like assholes?
Like one poster said above, that was some un****ingbelievable foresight to fake a birth certificate 40+ years before Barry was to run for President. Talk about being hand picked.
I'm the opinion that anyone who believes in the birther BS is as whacko as people who believe Sandy Hook never happened or that we blew up the WTC and faked it to look like planes hit it.
FML! I bought a bag of Avocados and a case of Corona at Costco today. Should have waited
yes there is a way to adjust the law away from the extreme but not to the extreme the other way where everybody somewhat hates it.
Why would his birth certificate have to be faked forty years prior to his run for prez?
easy now frostback, I am an internet dickhead first and foremost.
I have an 11 year old daughter as well. Her well being changes perspectives
I am pro fair trade but Trumps tariff threats work. Time for so many people (even those on the right) to stop freaking out so much every time he threatens tariffs.
Just wait til he ends up reaching a deal with China, yall will feel really stupid.
Just wait til he ends up reaching a deal with China, yall will feel really stupid.
We all hear the proverbial "back alley" and "clothes hanger" anecdotes all the time but has there ever been a printed unbiased scientific account of the numbers of these supposedly historical events?
"frostback." That's a good one that I've actually never heard before.
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Not a birther but never understood why asking to see a birth certificate is racist when age and birth location are the only constitutional requirements to hold the office.
Who actually checks if a candidate is eligible to be president? I was curious about Ted Cruz as well.
My wifey was raised in Wisconsin. Basically Canada but with a bunch of "Go Pack Go" chants all year.
Agreed, simply asking for it is fine. Once produced, accept it and move on. Even Trump finally gave up on that stupidity.
Yep. Lots of Pack fans in my hometown too. I grew up basically due east of the northern tip of Wisky. Cold as ****.
I wonder if she will get solitary confinement on Rikers??
I won't lie im not the biggest on the Tariffs. But I definitely have to be patient with them. Looks like they are long term things that take time to come around. Looks like a great win for trump.
They definitely are more of a long game type of thing. But they've worked in pretty much every instance so far.
I understand a situation like that. Your example would be the 10% uncertainty I struggle with. In other cases, there is too much room for abuse of any reason for allowing abortion such as lying/claiming rape just for the purpose of getting an abortion.
I understand your position until your last sentence. Having laws that criminalize abortions would not force people to violate the law anymore than laws criminalizing murder cause people to murder.
I didn’t mean it that way. I meant that abortion is not going away if it’s outlawed. Just like drugs and burglary and murder still happen on the regular even though they are all illegal.
Regardless of where Obama was born, that "certificate of live birth" was fake. It was done in cheap photoshop a few years back after people questioned it, not decades ago.
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