POLITICAL THREAD

[Bill Derington]

Listen to how the man speaks. Don't just read headlines.

He constantly refers to Hispanics as "our friends" just before launching into how he's going to bring jobs back and "we are going to make America great again." It's subtle but it's there. To most of my friends and colleagues who aren't white and not in support of trump, they hear "let's make America great again" as "let's make America white again."

It doesn't help at all that trump proposed that Muslims need identification. Remember that? he is perceived as anti immigrant and it's going to be his downfall.

So referring to illegal aliens as our friends, and pledging to make America great again is bigoted? You WANT Trump to be a racist and Bigot, it makes it easier for you to vote for someone that you know is a bad politician who's gotten by on name alone.

I don't remember Trump saying Muslims needed identification, maybe he did, but all Americans have some form of Govt ID.

He did say we might need a hiatus on muslim immigration until we get a handle on the situation. I think most people agree that we are in a war on terror, the combatant in that war is militant muslims, right? Many times in our history during war times the US has put a hiatus on immigration, again nothing bigoted about that. Unless of course you think Muslim terrorists aren't targeting the West.

Trump has said over and over that legal immigrants aren't the issue, it's illegal immigrants. Entering the Country illegally is against the law, would you agree with that? The penalty for that is deportation, again, why is racist or bigoted to enforce the law? Do you think we should just leave the border wide open and let everyone in?

 

[Willy4UK]

^^^She did put "Cankles" into modern vernacular.

Bet you her feet stink too.

Wearing those size 5 heels with 8 sized feet. Toes crumpled up in there crushed by the force of her massive swollen cankles, only to be breaking an ongoing 8 hour sweat.

 

[P19978]

^^ I just threw up in my mouth

 

[Mojocat]

sanders would f--king crush trump

his redneck constituency hasn't grown

he's going to be destroyed by a shit candidate

clinton represents the status quo at its most venal, cynical and corrupt

trump represents something even worse

This post capture the essence of the internet perfectly: I am both cool and smart as is witnessed by my cynicism. I hate everything. It's just that I have little more hatred for what you support, and the fact that you support it means you are stupid. The end.

 

[Willy4UK]

This post capture the essence of the internet perfectly: I am both cool and smart as is witnessed by my cynicism. The end.

WITNESS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jamo0001]

The GOP gets the majority of the blame for the Trump phenomenon, but Obama's policies play a role too. His tilt toward globalism, and open borders have led to Trump's nationalistic populism as well.

Well, and 30 years of Republican globalism, as well

 

[JHB4UK]

the formula for principled GOPers like Sasse or Glen Beck seems pretty simple....they are #NeverTrump, but dont want to lose the House/Senate to Dems in addition to the WH. So promote the libertarian candidate Johnson, make a viable alternative for those who are so offended by Trump's behavior or his shaky non conservative politics. and then while they are throwing their votes away for the Pres, at least they will be there to vote for the House & in some states important Senate races.

 

[P19978]

You know, if Trump really wanted to win this thing going away, he'd name Gary Johnson as his VP pick.

And yes, heads would explode.

 

[TransyCat09]

You know, if Trump really wanted to win this thing going away, he'd name Gary Johnson as his VP pick.

And yes, heads would explode.

Why does everyone assume all of these people Trump could conceivably pick to be his VP would accept? Gary Johnson is pretty much the polar opposite of Donald Trump and has had nothing but terrible things to say about him

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

If an alien read this board they'd think Gary Johnson was elected President 6 terms in a row and cracked open the Declaration at the archives and added his signature to it....he's that popular.

 

[Willy4UK]

If an alien read this board they'd think Gary Johnson was elected President 6 terms in a row and cracked open the Declaration at the archives and added his signature to it, and cured AIDs on Mars...he's that popular.

FTFY

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

Trump has said that he wants a VP with political experience so who you think he could pick that might bring the Cruz's supporters back in but also be agreeable to all?

 

[Willy4UK]

Cruz's supporters

Yep, Trump will bring in tens of votes with Cruz.

 

[fuzz77]

So referring to illegal aliens as our friends, and pledging to make America great again is bigoted? You WANT Trump to be a racist and Bigot, it makes it easier for you to vote for someone that you know is a bad politician who's gotten by on name alone.

I don't remember Trump saying Muslims needed identification, maybe he did, but all Americans have some form of Govt ID.

He did say we might need a hiatus on muslim immigration until we get a handle on the situation. I think most people agree that we are in a war on terror, the combatant in that war is militant muslims, right? Many times in our history during war times the US has put a hiatus on immigration, again nothing bigoted about that. Unless of course you think Muslim terrorists aren't targeting the West.

Trump has said over and over that legal immigrants aren't the issue, it's illegal immigrants. Entering the Country illegally is against the law, would you agree with that? The penalty for that is deportation, again, why is racist or bigoted to enforce the law? Do you think we should just leave the border wide open and let everyone in?

Bill, I don't think Trump is personally racist or particularly bigoted...but I find it hard to believe that any intelligent person couldn't see that Trump is playing on those dark emotions and fears of others with his rhetoric. When you refer to a group of 10-12 million people as "rapist"...and "drug dealers"...Hey, the US has a larger % of its population in prison than just about any country on earth. Wouldn't it be just as accurate to refer to Americans as "criminals"?

Yes, (most all Americans have some form of ID...where on that ID does it note your religion?
What is that different between the Nazis requiring Jews to wear the star of David and saying that Muslims needed ID that identified them as Muslims? I'm guessing that Muslims in this country have IDs at least if not at a greater rate than do other Americans so why single them out?

There are respectful ways to address all of these issues without resorting to fear-mongering thus why no other candidate would walk into those waters. I would hope that the POTUS would be above appealing to the lowest common denominator among us. Trump does it because it is effective. Whether or not he actually believes what he says, I question.

 

[starchief5]

If an alien read this board they'd think Gary Johnson was elected President 6 terms in a row and cracked open the Declaration at the archives and added his signature to it....he's that popular.

I'll bet that 95% of us (including me) wouldn't know who Gary Johnson was if we passed him on the sidewalk.

 

[wkycatfan]

Well, and 30 years of Republican globalism, as well

Well, there's a different between believing in free trade, and believing in world socialism.

 

[jamo0001]

Well, there's a different between believing in free trade, and believing in world socialism.

Agreed. I'm just not sure the Trump/Sanders populist backlash has much to do with "world socialism". It has everything to do with free trade and expanded international institutions, both of which have been the product of a concerted bipartisan effort since the tail end of the Cold War.

Aberrations like Buchanan and Sanders aside, globalism has been an American effort, not an effort by a particular American political party.

 

[starchief5]

Bill, I don't think Trump is personally racist or particularly bigoted...but I find it hard to believe that any intelligent person couldn't see that Trump is playing on those dark emotions and fears of others with his rhetoric. When you refer to a group of 10-12 million people as "rapist"...and "drug dealers"...Hey, the US has a larger % of its population in prison than just about any country on earth. Wouldn't it be just as accurate to refer to Americans as "criminals"?

Yes, (most all Americans have some form of ID...where on that ID does it note your religion?
What is that different between the Nazis requiring Jews to wear the star of David and saying that Muslims needed ID that identified them as Muslims? I'm guessing that Muslims in this country have IDs at least if not at a greater rate than do other Americans so why single them out?

There are respectful ways to address all of these issues without resorting to fear-mongering thus why no other candidate would walk into those waters. I would hope that the POTUS would be above appealing to the lowest common denominator among us. Trump does it because it is effective. Whether or not he actually believes what he says, I question.

The problem is that the elite and the politicians and media that prop them up pay no attention to the calm voice of the people. They just set in motion outrageously self-serving deals for their class, hunker down and wait for the mild storm to blow over and reap their benefits.

Common people may eventually come to realize that there is no respectful way to address these issues that will cause these people to budge. That leaves nothing effective to do except gather the mob with their pitchforks and axes and storm the gates (just rhetoric, in case Homeland Security - or mods - are monitoring).

Short of that, the other option is to choose a leader that is unbeholden to the elite. Someone who might actually intervene in this country's suicidal plunge, inasmuch as they can. And many can see that Trump, obnoxious as he is, just might be that leader.

 

[starchief5]

Agreed. I'm just not sure the Trump/Sanders populist backlash has much to do with "world socialism". It has everything to do with free trade and expanded international institutions, both of which have been the product of a concerted bipartisan effort since the tail end of the Cold War.

Aberrations like Buchanan and Sanders aside, globalism has been an American effort, not an effort by a particular American political party.

Ha. I actually registered Republican once in order to vote for Buchanan in the primary. I voted for Perot. That should tell you how fed up I am with politics as usual.

 

[Bill Derington]

Bill, I don't think Trump is personally racist or particularly bigoted...but I find it hard to believe that any intelligent person couldn't see that Trump is playing on those dark emotions and fears of others with his rhetoric. When you refer to a group of 10-12 million people as "rapist"...and "drug dealers"...Hey, the US has a larger % of its population in prison than just about any country on earth. Wouldn't it be just as accurate to refer to Americans as "criminals"?

Yes, (most all Americans have some form of ID...where on that ID does it note your religion?
What is that different between the Nazis requiring Jews to wear the star of David and saying that Muslims needed ID that identified them as Muslims? I'm guessing that Muslims in this country have IDs at least if not at a greater rate than do other Americans so why single them out?

There are respectful ways to address all of these issues without resorting to fear-mongering thus why no other candidate would walk into those waters. I would hope that the POTUS would be above appealing to the lowest common denominator among us. Trump does it because it is effective. Whether or not he actually believes what he says, I question.

I never heard him say Muslims needed ID's, not saying he didn't, I did hear him say we may need a moratorium on muslim immigration.
He singled them out because a large portion of that particular religion has declared war on the west.

You misunderstand why Trump is so popular. You're right that no other politician would say that, but you don't seem to grasp why, and why that makes Trump popular. The other candidates are career politicians, thats their job in life. They depend on donations from private donors, and corporations, they must toe the company line. Trump isn't a career politician, he isn't dependent on pleasing donors to live the good life. That is refreshing in this day and age, we all say we want change, yet we continue to elect people are politicians by trade.

Trump is preaching jobs, thats why he's popular, and why he'll win. The root of why good paying jobs have left is NAFTA, and the free trade agrrements that followed. True freedom in life is having a decent job, there

 

[starchief5]

I never heard him say Muslims needed ID's, not saying he didn't, I did hear him say we may need a moratorium on muslim immigration.
He singled them out because a large portion of that particular religion has declared war on the west.

You misunderstand why Trump is so popular. You're right that no other politician would say that, but you don't seem to grasp why, and why that makes Trump popular. The other candidates are career politicians, thats their job in life. They depend on donations from private donors, and corporations, they must toe the company line. Trump isn't a career politician, he isn't dependent on pleasing donors to live the good life. That is refreshing in this day and age, we all say we want change, yet we continue to elect people are politicians by trade.

Trump is preaching jobs, thats why he's popular, and why he'll win. The root of why good paying jobs have left is NAFTA, and the free trade agrrements that followed. True freedom in life is having a decent job, there

There was a 60 Minutes piece a couple of weeks ago revealing that Congressmen are encouraged to spend at least 30 hours a week on the phone (outside their office and down the street) fund-raising. They are provided a list of names to call.

Here's the link to the segment for anyone who didn't see it. It's worth watching, if you dare.. It gores both parties.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-are-members-of-congress-becoming-telemarketers/

 

[P19978]

If an alien read this board they'd think Gary Johnson was elected President 6 terms in a row and cracked open the Declaration at the archives and added his signature to it....he's that popular.

I think its more the Libertarian approach (small govt) than Gary himself; although I think he comes across as very sharp and knowledgeable.

 

[Levibooty]

My experience has been the conservatives that call for less government are the first to call for its help.

 

[JHB4UK]

illegal immigration is slowing, nay it is reversing! stop talking about this issue, it isnt a problem anymore!!

bullshit

 

[wkycatfan]

Agreed. I'm just not sure the Trump/Sanders populist backlash has much to do with "world socialism". It has everything to do with free trade and expanded international institutions, both of which have been the product of a concerted bipartisan effort since the tail end of the Cold War.

Aberrations like Buchanan and Sanders aside, globalism has been an American effort, not an effort by a particular American political party.

Fair enough. I'm looking things on a grander, more devious scale.

However, I think a lot of people can see that Obama (my original point) thinks borders are no big deal, a hindrance even, and that he is far too welcoming for 'illegals'/'refugees' to waltz into the US and then enjoy the 'benefits' free of charge.

 

[Bill Cosby]

My experience has been the conservatives that call for less government are the first to call for its help.

Please share some more details of your experience.

I've had the exact opposite experience. Most conservatives I know, and most conservatives on the Paddock would much prefer to see the federal government shrink and stay out of their lives.

I'm interested to hear details from your observations.

 

[TransyCat09]

Please share some more details of your experience.

I've had the exact opposite experience. Most conservatives I know, and most conservatives on the Paddock would much prefer to see the federal government shrink and stay out of their lives.

I'm interested to hear details from your observations.

Best guess is he is referring to people like the guys in that Cruz video I posted. Assuming sub-literates represent people who actually take time to formulate ideas about how government should work.

Basically, being mendacious AF

 

[P19978]

However, I think a lot of people can see that Obama (my original point) thinks borders are no big deal, a hindrance even, and that he is far too welcoming for 'illegals'/'refugees' to waltz into the US and then enjoy the 'benefits' free of charge.

Forget the obvious security issues for a second: we're $20T in debt.

How do these liberal morons think we're going to pay for all these extra folks? Magic money trees?

If you were about to type "raise taxes" then please exit this conversation now.

 

[Bill Cosby]

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[Mojocat]

Please share some more details of your experience.

I've had the exact opposite experience. Most conservatives I know, and most conservatives on the Paddock would much prefer to see the federal government shrink and stay out of their lives.

I'm interested to hear details from your observations.

Another anecdote worth not a lot but I'll offer it anyway. I used to do tax work. And I was struck by how often the conservatives had a whole lot more giving/charitable deductions than their liberal counterparts. Now, that's anecdotal as I said, and I can't pretend like in each case I knew whether the guy was an R or a D. But often I did know, and the rule held up quite well. I think, more anecdote, that in the last election, didn't we learn that Romney gave like 11% of his income to charity, and Obama was around 1% or some such? That was no surprise to me, it was par for the course. And I know there are studies which say conservatives are happier and more generous, generally.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

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Look at those stubby fingers.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

I'm glad you guys posted a picture of Trump eating a taco salad. I was afraid the "Trump hates Mexicans" mantra was gaining traction in this thread until that snuffed it out. Good job.

 

[Bill Cosby]

He said he loves Hispanics in addition to eating the taco salad. Not sure where the confusion is coming from.

 

[JohnnyGentle]

an internet persona inspired by the cheap shots a washed up black comedian took at young black people, and maintained after the comedian turned out to be a serial rapist, is in the first of nine paragraphs explaining why the only moral choice is to vote for donald trump

yeah i'm dialing right in

cosby is to be fair a brilliant comedian, but google trump central park five before saying anything slick about innocent until proven guilty

 

[From-the-stands]

"Gary Johnson and the Libertarian Party are increasingly looking like a viable alternative to either Donald Trump and the Republicans or Hillary Clinton and the Democrats if recent internet searches are to be believed. Google searches for “Libertarian Party” surged, according to Reason, after news broke that Ted Cruz is officially out of the race for the Republican nomination."


http://www.inquisitr.com/3062562/li...the-perfect-alternative-to-trump-and-clinton/

 

[Bill Cosby]

an internet persona inspired by the cheap shots a washed up black comedian took at young black people, and maintained after the comedian turned out to be a serial rapist, is in the first of nine paragraphs explaining why the only moral choice is to vote for donald trump

yeah i'm dialing right in

cosby is to be fair a brilliant comedian, but google trump central park five before saying anything slick about innocent until proven guilty

This seems to be directed at me, but none of the bullshit you're saying relates to any posts I've made.

 

[Mashburned]

Forget the obvious security issues for a second: we're $20T in debt.

How do these liberal morons think we're going to pay for all these extra folks? Magic money trees?

If you were about to type "raise taxes" then please exit this conversation now.

Counterpoint: wtf is say a few trillion+ more if we're already 20trillion in debt. It's clear that means nothing and is just a number to scare people like you into thinking money is real...which it ain't. It's based on nothing. Zilch. Just more man-mad bullshit to control the masses and feed the beast.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

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2:57 PM - 5 May 2016

This is really like a parody.

Another anecdote worth not a lot but I'll offer it anyway. I used to do tax work. And I was struck by how often the conservatives had a whole lot more giving/charitable deductions than their liberal counterparts. Now, that's anecdotal as I said, and I can't pretend like in each case I knew whether the guy was an R or a D. But often I did know, and the rule held up quite well. I think, more anecdote, that in the last election, didn't we learn that Romney gave like 11% of his income to charity, and Obama was around 1% or some such? That was no surprise to me, it was par for the course. And I know there are studies which say conservatives are happier and more generous, generally.

Liberals are always good for ideas they want everyone else to be bound by; but not them. Look at all the elitists promoting Bernie. We all know he wont win, but is there anything stopping them from donating all their excess money to charity to redistribute wealth? Yet how many actually do it?

 

[WayneDougan]

Libertarian party... Lol. You gafs go right along and vote for Gary Johnson.

 

[WayneDougan]

Counterpoint: wtf is say a few trillion+ more if we're already 20trillion in debt. It's clear that means nothing and is just a number to scare people like you into thinking money is real...which it ain't. It's based on nothing. Zilch. Just more man-mad bullshit to control the masses and feed the beast.

So give me your money.