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"White flight has left low-income, minority students in failing urban public schools."

What people are arguing is that states should adjust their funding to negate what individual districts are able/willing to raise their own. So if people move out to the suburbs for better schools they want to counterbalance. Understandable to a small degree but not exactly fair and doesn't work.
 
It is for some people. That is because they are not used to thinking beyond what makes them comfortable. There is all kinds of data showing how institutional racism works but some people do not want to face the reality:
https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...c-school-funding-and-the-role-of-race/408085/

Lol. The notion that underrepresented races in fields must be because of racism. Because there's no way it could be anything else?

Your pals perfect NBA and NFL example (that he was so proud of) shows exactly how that's nonsense.

Is it institutional racism that keeps white players out of the NBA? Of course not. It's ability.

That's why that argument is trash
 
Lol. The notion that underrepresented races in fields must be because of racism. Because there's no way it could be anything else?

Your pals perfect NBA and NFL example (that he was so proud of) shows exactly how that's nonsense.

Is it institutional racism that keeps white players out of the NBA? Of course not. It's ability.

That's why that argument is trash
Tech companies and all the scrutiny going on there is a great example. They want representation that is impossible with the skills out there. Top down idiocy. That is what the google dude got fired for voicing.
 
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In my first job in the corporate world I saw first hand a black guy almost get passed over because the hiring manager assumed he would not do a good job purely because of the color of his skin. She was a big time lib btw. Not trying to brag, but I really pushed her to get him hired.

She was not anti-black guy by any stretch. As I said, she was a bleeding heart lib. But her butt was on the line, and her inherent bias that black people wouldn’t do well in a business role made her not want to hire him.

He’s still with the company 17 years later. He moved over from the business into IT and has been very successful.

My point is that while corporations are all “yay rah rah diversity” to a fault, hiring managers often have a different perspective on things and are looking out for themselves.
 
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That’s great.

Let me know when Costco has a location in every small town in KY so more people can get those jobs.
 
Tech companies and all the scrutiny going on there is a great example. They want representation that is impossible with the skills out there. Top down idiocy. That is what the google dude got fired for voicing.

Yep. That Thomas Sowell video posted a few pages back is very applicable to that point. Arguing affirmative action sets people up for failure because it puts them in positions they're not qualified.

He's right and this is a perfect example.
 
In my first job in the corporate world I saw first hand a black guy almost get passed over because the hiring manager assumed he would not do a good job purely because of the color of his skin. She was a big time lib btw. Not trying to brag, but I really pushed her to get him hired.

She was not anti-black guy by any stretch. As I said, she was a bleeding heart lib. But her butt was on the line, and her inherent bias that black people wouldn’t do well in a business role made her not want to hire him.

He’s still with the company 17 years later. He moved over from the business into IT and has been very successful.

My point is that while corporations are all “yay rah rah diversity” to a fault, hiring managers often have a different perspective on things and are looking out for themselves.
I had the opposite. My boss, a big time liberal in Austin, hired a black guy (without meeting him) to team with me and voiced how great it was to get a minority on the team. The dude generated zero (literally) revenue in two years and we got paid the exact same. It took an arrest on domestic violence to get rid of him.
 
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Irony. Stop being a mindless cheerleader and actually read the article before applauding. You are a perfect socialist.

It sounds good to my feels!!

I wasn't applauding THE ARTICLE. I was saying, I'm glad he linked something but no one will read it.
 
I wasn't applauding THE ARTICLE. I was saying, I'm glad he linked something but no one will read it.
JFC what is wrong with you. Lamenting that no one would read an article that you had no GD what it actually said is mindnumpingly stupid. Cheerleaderish, which is the depth of your reasoning skills.
 
JFC what is wrong with you. Lamenting that no one would read an article that you had no GD what it actually said is mindnumpingly stupid. Cheerleaderish, which is the depth of your reasoning skills.

Good Lord, you're dumb. Seriously...do you guys even try to understand what someone posts?

It's not that complicated or deep.
 
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I had the opposite. My boss, a big time liberal in Austin, hired a black guy (without meeting him) to team with me and voiced how great it was to get a minority on the team. The dude generated zero (literally) revenue in two years and we got paid the exact same. It took an arrest on domestic violence to get rid of him.

Did your boss not get in trouble for having an unproductive team member? How did it go on for two years?
 
Good Lord, you're dumb. Seriously...do you guys even try to understand what someone posts?

It's not that complicated or deep.
Your version definitely is not complicated or deep. No way you break a 90 IQ. What Bernie has done to you young dipshits is criminal. We get it, simplistic racebaiting with no rationale and made up personal stories is your ceiling.
 
Did your boss not get in trouble for having an unproductive team member? How did it go on for two years?
No joke, I carried us enough for both. They knew they needed to fire him but were terrified. He made it known he had gotten settlements from his last two employers. He got a lot of shit for the fire for sure.
 
No joke, I carried us enough for both. They knew they needed to fire him but were terrified. He made it known he had gotten settlements from his last two employers. He got a lot of shit for the fire for sure.
I should add that I was promoted shortly thereafter for being white (generational poverty and only one of seven to go to college is irrelevant), not because I had produced at a high level for several years.
 
mustnotsleepnow I am quite aware of the preponderance of highly biased and entrenched posters that are here, however I do think there are a few who do not fall into that knee jerk cabal of hate and ignorance. These are the people that mentally jump from school to career totally missing that which prepares you for a career. A very few otherposters do not always agree with me but nonetheless still are capable of honest consideration and deserving of the same. Those are the few gems I respect here.
 
Well, the guy I had to push to get hired was very qualified, did a great job in the interview, and had a degree in computer science. So not quite apples to oranges. Ha!
 
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You're stating the same thing he's stating. The best person for the job should be hired for a job based on qualification, not based on their race or sex. Thats exactly how the NFL and NBA do it, and you're fine with that,why should it be any different in the real world?

They fail to understand this.

Leftists

-70 percent of the NFL is black, 75 percent of the NBA is black
"Yeah, it's a meritocracy."
"White men make up (x amount) of CEOs or management roles/coaching positions. This is racist."

Can we not accept that some people are better at certain things? Why must we force something if someone isn't qualified? You're discriminating against someone who deserves a job based on race. This isn't speculation. It's a fact that you're putting someone in a school or in a job for the color of their skin. That's the epitome of racial discrimination.
 
Well, the guy I had to push to get hired was very qualified, did a great job in the interview, and had a degree in computer science. So not quite apples to oranges. Ha!

When I was in management, you can probably imagine the headaches and hoops you have to go through to terminate a black employee even though it was always with cause. Why? Because they know it's inevitable that they will claim racism.

That is something that I've never had to worry about when terminating a white person.

And somehow, these are just accepted as being okay. NO! Everyone should be treated the exact same way. The standards should be the same for everyone.
 
I had the opposite. My boss, a big time liberal in Austin, hired a black guy (without meeting him) to team with me and voiced how great it was to get a minority on the team. The dude generated zero (literally) revenue in two years and we got paid the exact same. It took an arrest on domestic violence to get rid of him.

I once worked with a black guy who actually smoked weed at work. He always smelled of weed and when he exited the bathroom, the smell of weed was crazy strong. There was even a time they found weed in the office closet and the female management did nothing. Didn't push to find out whose it was even though everyone knew.

This guy had a Malcolm X picture on his cubicle wall and constantly messed up and did shady/unethical things that would be grounds for being fired for others (and others got fired for much less) yet they're terrified to say anything to him because he's black. He still works there.
 
"White flight has left low-income, minority students in failing urban public schools."

What people are arguing is that states should adjust their funding to negate what individual districts are able/willing to raise their own. So if people move out to the suburbs for better schools they want to counterbalance. Understandable to a small degree but not exactly fair and doesn't work.

Incredible.

We're constantly told that whites are awful but when whites move for a better neighborhood and school it becomes, "WAIT! DON'T LEAVE! THAT'S RACIST. OUR SCHOOLS AND NEIGHBORHOODS WILL BE AWFUL."

Then when whites do come to crap areas and begin to make them places where people aren't terrified to get robbed or killed, it becomes, "THIS IS GENTRIFICATION! IT'S RACIST!"

No one can make up their minds. No parent should make their kid be worse off by becoming some liberal experiment.
 
I once worked with a black guy who actually smoked weed at work. He always smelled of weed and when he exited the bathroom, the smell of weed was crazy strong. There was even a time they found weed in the office closet and the female management did nothing. Didn't push to find out whose it was even though everyone knew.

This guy had a Malcolm X picture on his cubicle wall and constantly messed up and did shady/unethical things that would be grounds for being fired for others (and others got fired for much less) yet they're terrified to say anything to him because he's black. He still works there.
I worked with a white guy who went to prison for meth.
 
It is for some people. That is because they are not used to thinking beyond what makes them comfortable. There is all kinds of data showing how institutional racism works but some people do not want to face the reality:
https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...c-school-funding-and-the-role-of-race/408085/

How is that institutional racism? Is it solely minority schools that are singled out, or is it all areas where the poor live?

You assume, without looking at other areas, that it's simply based on race. Local taxes play a huge part in school funding, if an area doesn't have a tax base, the schools don't get it. Has nothing to do with race, unless you're trying to push a narrative.
 
I once worked with a black guy who actually smoked weed at work. He always smelled of weed and when he exited the bathroom, the smell of weed was crazy strong. There was even a time they found weed in the office closet and the female management did nothing. Didn't push to find out whose it was even though everyone knew.

This guy had a Malcolm X picture on his cubicle wall and constantly messed up and did shady/unethical things that would be grounds for being fired for others (and others got fired for much less) yet they're terrified to say anything to him because he's black. He still works there.
I worked with a white guy who went to prison for meth.
I worked with an Asian dude who snorted lots of coke. Smart guy, too.
 
That’s great.

Let me know when Costco has a location in every small town in KY so more people can get those jobs.
Yet Walmart went into those small towns, put mom and pop business who were providing those jobs out of business...
Are you trying to argue that those small towns are better off with a Walmart than they were with local small businesses? Have you not watched small town after small town nearly dry up and blow away after Walmart comes to town?

Costco isn't trying to be Walmart, they're a responsible corporate citizen. They don't pay their execs $22.8 million (1,188 times the median pay of a Walmart employee) and then do all they can to limit the pay of their employees. They go into markets where they can provide good, living wages to their employees while offering quality products at good prices. In return for treating their employees right Costco has almost zero employee turnover and therefore doesn't have to spend money recruiting and training new employees. Walmart spends 20% of their employee cost on recruiting and training new employees, Costco spends less than 1% on the same.

This is the problem with corporate greed. When Walmart comes to town and sucks all the profit that can be made and sends it back to Bentonville, AR and into the arms of a relative few and leaving only minimum wage job salaries there is little left to support the small town. Local businesses close one by one and the community dies a slow death.
 
What is obvious is people here are posting things that are not relevant to solve the problem of education. Education comes before careers. I have read the articles I've posted and there is a lot of information in those articles that is useful in understanding the problem. Think of it like this give a million dollars to 100 people to start a business, there will be success stories and there will be failures, understanding why there are failures is important to avoid failure. Understanding success will be helpful in succeeding. Put your prejudice on hold long enough to read several of these articles and you will quickly see how The Heritage Foundation will take some of the same data and draw a different conclusion from The Brookings Institution. Gee Imagine That! By reading several articles you can start to understand the problem from a broader perspective.
 
Yet Walmart went into those small towns, put mom and pop business who were providing those jobs out of business...
Are you trying to argue that those small towns are better off with a Walmart than they were with local small businesses? Have you not watched small town after small town nearly dry up and blow away after Walmart comes to town?

Costco isn't trying to be Walmart, they're a responsible corporate citizen. They don't pay their execs $22.8 million (1,188 times the median pay of a Walmart employee) and then do all they can to limit the pay of their employees. They go into markets where they can provide good, living wages to their employees while offering quality products at good prices. In return for treating their employees right Costco has almost zero employee turnover and therefore doesn't have to spend money recruiting and training new employees. Walmart spends 20% of their employee cost on recruiting and training new employees, Costco spends less than 1% on the same.

This is the problem with corporate greed. When Walmart comes to town and sucks all the profit that can be made and sends it back to Bentonville, AR and into the arms of a relative few and leaving only minimum wage job salaries there is little left to support the small town. Local businesses close one by one and the community dies a slow death.
What was your salary? I'm sure you asked to have a limit put on how much you could make, right?

How come you dipsh6ts never complain about the obscene salaries of movie stars or athletes?
 
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