Dion says I post fake news.
Leftist media were the links. Seriously can't make this shit up. Lol
Leftist media were the links. Seriously can't make this shit up. Lol
So now you trust the liberal media because they said something you like? Why are they wrong on everything about Trump but right on this? Ironic.
I could possibly get on board with something like creating a Floor, but how many would be helped? How many are poor because of bad life decisions and would continue with those decisions? It would be great if those on government assistance did not lose their “check” by supplementing their “check” with a job. Reward them by allowing them to continue to get better jobs until they no longer need Uncle Sam to pay their bills.No one's trying to make the poor wealthy or make things "fair". If you want to be wealthy you have to work your ass off for it. What we're talking about is a floor, just like we have now, but reducing the complexity of all these benefit programs and hence the size of government needed to manage them. End all current welfare type programs and send everyone a check for $1,200 a month, whether you're a billionaire or a schlub. If you squander it and are homeless that's your problem, personal responsibility like everyone here preaches. If you want to improve your lot in life then go out and work for it. No more people not wanting to work because they'll lose "their check".
I think the way he cuts those 200k jobs is by simply not replacing retirees. The post office should be the first place then the IRS.
Dion says I post fake news.
Leftist media were the links. Seriously can't make this shit up. Lol
You edited your post to add links and I responded before you did or I would have shut you down then. The Bloomberg link even has my exact premise in the TITLE. You didn't even need to read the articles. So explain again how all those sites are fake news except these exact links are super credible?Nope. Posted those links for a reason. You got suckered..
You edited your post to add links and I responded before you did or I would have shut you down then. The Bloomberg link even has my exact premise in the TITLE. You didn't even need to read the articles. So explain again how all those sites are fake news except these exact links are super credible?
We can agree to disagree, but what removes the desire to work is the threat of losing what you're getting if you do. If a poor person goes out and works hard they should be rewarded, not punished.
It removes the excuses. If everyone has enough to cover the basics then no one can argue that the system oppressed them, history disadvantaged them, or someone else is to blame for their lot in life. If you buy an iPhone instead of paying your rent then it's your fault you got evicted. No more people crying racism or sexism or any other -ism. We know you had the money cause everyone has the money. If you want more than that go work hard for it.I could possibly get on board with something like creating a Floor, but how many would be helped? How many are poor because of bad life decisions and would continue with those decisions? It would be great if those on government assistance did not lose their “check” by supplementing their “check” with a job. Reward them by allowing them to continue to get better jobs until they no longer need Uncle Sam to pay their bills.
Again we make it too easy to become dependent on the govt.
I remember when a few kids in elementary school were getting free lunch and it was humiliating for them and I felt bad for them.
Now a lot of schools give all students free lunch and breakfast just to stop those feelings perpetuating more and more government dependence.
You don't get it. Not everyone wants more income. Some want it more than others. Leave people the hell alone & keep government leftists out of our lives.Address income inequality.
It removes the excuses. If everyone has enough to cover the basics then no one can argue that the system oppressed them, history disadvantaged them, or someone else is to blame for their lot in life. If you buy an iPhone instead of paying your rent then it's your fault you got evicted. No more people crying racism or sexism or any other -ism. We know you had the money cause everyone has the money. If you want more than that go work hard for it.
It removes the excuses. If everyone has enough to cover the basics then no one can argue that the system oppressed them, history disadvantaged them, or someone else is to blame for their lot in life. If you buy an iPhone instead of paying your rent then it's your fault you got evicted. No more people crying racism or sexism or any other -ism. We know you had the money cause everyone has the money. If you want more than that go work hard for it.
You’re a smart dude Dion, and I respect that, but you see things idealistically.
You would think what you described above would happen, all things even and everyone is Square. That isn’t how it’d work though, the same excuses would be used as you described, and you give more liberty away for that carrot.
Address income inequality. Tax the shit out of the top 1%. Use the money to provide healthcare for all, college joins the rest of free public education, and fund Universal Basic Income. End poverty and welfare at the same time while massively reducing the size of the government bureaucracies that manage them. Make it so no American goes without while correcting the fact that 3 people, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, and Jeff Bezos have as much money as 160 million Americans, half of the entire country, combined. Work hard and make yourself rich, but no 3 people's lives should be worth as much as half of us.
Lmaooo...I remember my first joint.
tread lightly, those Bernie bros are kinda stabby and shootyHe's not that smart. Just an arrogant narcissistic with an "English" degree.
He is trying to talk economics with a degree that is equivalent to a vocational rehab certificate to change oil.
I remember getting high on crack with a room full of crack heads and coming up with a cure to cancer. Damn, was I smartest guy in that room for 2 and half minutes.
I agree completely with this sentiment. Ambition is extremely variable among the populace and leads to a vast difference in income which is perfectly acceptable. The problems arise at the extreme margins of both ends. We currently as a society say that people starving and dying is bad, so we set up social programs to help alleviate that. At the same time on the other end 3 Americans have the same net worth as the whole bottom half, 160 million people. I'm in no way advocating Robin Hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, just taking a small bit from the uber rich that doesn't effect their quality of life in any way other than numbers on a bank spreadsheet and giving to EVERYONE. $1,200 a month won't change the rich's lives in any meaningful way but would really help the middle class and the poor. It's more than almost all will get from these latest tax cuts that many on here think are a good idea.You don't get it. Not everyone wants more income. Some want it more than others. Leave people the hell alone & keep government leftists out of our lives.
I understand thinking the same excuses would happen under the new system as the old. The thing there is abuses are already occurring, what about this system would make them WORSE than they are now? And as for giving up liberty, the only change would be the uber rich paying more in taxes. Very, very few people fall into that category and I would almost guarantee that no one on this board does, or probably anyone any of us actually even know.You’re a smart dude Dion, and I respect that, but you see things idealistically.
You would think what you described above would happen, all things even and everyone is Square. That isn’t how it’d work though, the same excuses would be used as you described, and you give more liberty away for that carrot.
Bro, I believe he's the same poster who bugged the crap outta everybody here about 7 years ago. He's some failing attorney from near the Shelbyville area. Z was good buds with him on here back then. He's another one of those GD Dem trolls who appears under a new username every few years.He's not that smart. Just an arrogant narcissistic with an "English" degree.
He is trying to talk economics with a degree that is equivalent to a vocational rehab certificate to change oil.
tread lightly, those Bernie bros are kinda stabby and shooty
Yeah but the dude in the corner with Road House t-shirt wrote everything down and then moved to H-Wood to save Patrick Swayze life. Dude got him hooked on crack and now Swayze is living cancer free on the streets of Pelosi's district. God Bless you Dalton!
Bro, I believe he's the same poster who bugged the crap outta everybody here about 7 years ago. He's some failing attorney from near the Shelbyville area. Z was good buds with him on here back then. He's another one of those GD Dem trolls who appears under a new username every few years.
I wonder what the hell it is about this thread that attracts all these kooks and loons? Good grief!
You accused me of being another poster the other day too, dunno why you have this stick up your butt. I post on this board under one name, this one, and I always have. I have another account for the HOB which I have never used to post here. No clue why these allegations are thrown at me over and over.Bro, I believe he's the same poster who bugged the crap outta everybody here about 7 years ago. He's some failing attorney from near the Shelbyville area. Z was good buds with him on here back then. He's another one of those GD Dem trolls who appears under a new username every few years.
I wonder what the hell it is about this thread that attracts all these kooks and loons? Good grief!
This should even prove it. I am not gay and we had a big thing over it awhile back because someone assumed I was when I was standing up for gay rights. You can look at my post history.The gay lawyer? Damn. Shoulda known.
This I'll agree with. Last time that Dio toucher posted here around 2011 under a different screen name, I had both him and Z on ignore at the time.Let’s get back to this place being a fun place or a place we talk about articles and stuff. Quit responding to every troll attempt.
This is nuts, @AustinTXCat ignored me the other day while at the same time saying he respected @JohnKBA and was going to get a beer with him. Everyone has a different theory on who I'm supposed to be and none of them are consistent or plausible.Jesus people. JohnKBA has bottles in his avatar and Dionysus is the Greek God of Wine.
KBA has been on break or a time-out by mods cause of his pathetic behavior and all of a sudden we have never seen so much Dionysus posts. Their contemptuous comments on Christianity and race issues are literally identical. Once when I accused KBA of being Dio he remarked well Dio’s grammar isn’t as good. But John isn’t smart enough to be consist during those 30 beers and sometimes Dio’s grammar is poor and sometimes it is much different. Also, I occasionally post non political funny things on here, only Dio and KBA ever complained like ‘why is this on the political board?’
When the waxing issue came up in Canada...Dio sure claimed to know a lot about Canadian law. Who else we know from Canada? KBA has always acted very bi polar, sometimes trying to get along and 2/3 other times just being low class to others cause that is who he is...I laughed so hard for a while when Dionysus in like a 40-70 message span only @ one poster and it was always KBA. Cmon...
KBA has completely went unhinged on here on more than one occasion, Dionysus is his other account. I gotta lot of brothers here but it’s ruining pages on here that y’all are getting trolled by a classless POS.
Let’s get back to this place being a fun place or a place we talk about articles and stuff. Quit responding to every troll attempt.
This is nuts, @AustinTXCat ignored me the other day while at the same time saying he respected @JohnKBA and was going to get a beer with him. Everyone has a different theory on who I'm supposed to be and none of them are consistent or plausible.
This I'll agree with. Last time that Dio toucher posted here around 2011 under a different screen name, I had both him and Z on ignore at the time.
You're right. Screw that socialist swine. However, I wonder about John? At any rate, we may meet up in Lex on July 3. Sort of a diplomatic exchange at one of the breweries.
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I've been a HOB member since 2007 so I never frequented any of the free boards because I didn't see the point when I was paying for one. Then during the Joker era I started checking the Lair to see what free posters were saying about the situation since the HOB was split hard between the Joker haters and lovers. Found this place and created this account on a whim to occasionally chime in with a different viewpoint. Didn't end up participating much until the latest election blew up the known political world.Well, you sure as shit didn't pop up like a fresh flower. You're a retread on here. Just a matter of which liberal lunatic you are.
I want to tax the shit out of the top 1% who have more than all the rest of us combined, not "anyone who acquires any money". Maybe .1%, depends on the math. Big difference. Are you in the top 1%? Is a single person you know?The fact you want to tax the shit out of anyone who acquires any money leads me to believe that you could be anyone of the former or current leftists on here.
I agree completely with this sentiment. Ambition is extremely variable among the populace and leads to a vast difference in income which is perfectly acceptable. The problems arise at the extreme margins of both ends. We currently as a society say that people starving and dying is bad, so we set up social programs to help alleviate that. At the same time on the other end 3 Americans have the same net worth as the whole bottom half, 160 million people. I'm in no way advocating Robin Hood taking from the rich and giving to the poor, just taking a small bit from the uber rich that doesn't effect their quality of life in any way other than numbers on a bank spreadsheet and giving to EVERYONE. $1,200 a month won't change the rich's lives in any meaningful way but would really help the middle class and the poor. It's more than almost all will get from these latest tax cuts that many on here think are a good idea.
I understand thinking the same excuses would happen under the new system as the old. The thing there is abuses are already occurring, what about this system would make them WORSE than they are now? And as for giving up liberty, the only change would be the uber rich paying more in taxes. Very, very few people fall into that category and I would almost guarantee that no one on this board does, or probably anyone any of us actually even know.
I've been a HOB member since 2007 so I never frequented any of the free boards because I didn't see the point when I was paying for one. Then during the Joker era I started checking the Lair to see what free posters were saying about the situation since the HOB was split hard between the Joker haters and lovers. Found this place and created this account on a whim to occasionally chime in with a different viewpoint. Didn't end up participating much until the latest election blew up the known political world.
I want to tax the shit out of the top 1% who have more than all the rest of us combined, not "anyone who acquires any money". Maybe .1%, depends on the math. Big difference. Are you in the top 1%? Is a single person you know?
9 out of every 10 manufacturing jobs lost were lost to mechanization not offshoring.Where do you think the wealth came from? They simply eliminated the middle class by sending manufacturing jobs out of the country. The ones that stayed had their wages effectively frozen.
Cost to produce product dropped due to less regs and workers making pennies on the dollar. Product cost to buyer didn’t drop by the same amount, wealthy reap the benefits.
That’s global economy in a nutshell. Trump was elected to move the US away from that, and back toward what you described where the middle class grows.
You’re wealth redistribution is a joke, when you give people things it removes the desire to work toward self sustenance.
Current government budget is over 4.1 trillion. Accounts vary but social programs account for a significant portion of that which could be entirely nixed, somewhere around 35-40%. The number of government employees could be drastically reduced by doing away with entire departments of bureaucracies. Just those by themselves get you almost halfway there without changing any tax structure. Then you start with roughly 3.2 million in the top 1% and just for fun say averaging a million from them, which would obviously be in a tiered system weighted towards those at the top nets you another 3.2 trillion. So total even being conservative is over 5.2 trillion. More than enough.How is taking a small bit from Gates, Buffet, and Bezos going to cover 4.69 Trillion a year?
The richest of the 3, Bezos, is only worth approx 140 Billion.
Yearly: 1,200 x 12 = 14,400
Times US Population: 14,400 x 325.7 million = 4,690,080,000,000
I'd bet that I'm worth more than many millions of people. Many aren't work a GD thing, so that kind of puts it into perspective.