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Hillary used Harvey Dent's 2 sided coin to steal some precincts
(well, probably not, but who would really be shocked or surprised?)
Imagine the optics of a Rubio/Hillary debate. Combine that with pending indictment, and inability to put away Bernie, and I'm still calling Biden/Warren on the Dem side before this is over.
You nailed the Crist thing. That guy is a piece of work. Rick Scott should've been beat like a mule. But Crist. What a political whore.
As for Rubio. Awful. Guy hasn't done shit in Florida. Garbage politician that I hope to see fail. Anyone that votes Rubio hates America. Pure and simple.
That's a strawman. I didn't say that at all. They wont let you die, and that's about it. The moment they can get you out the door to die at home; they do. If they were a for profit business, Id not even have a problem with that. But theyre not. They get all the benefits of being non profit with none of the burden.
So you argue youre not using a strawman, by using about 5 other strawman arguments. Well done.
Hes pretty much Obama with a different letter next to his name. But....if it comes down to it, at least hes not Hillary.
Agree. I hate what Bernie stands for, but you know where he stands. I think Rand is pretty consistent too.
I really don't think you could surprise me with anything when it comes to her. Shes truly capable of anything.
It is slightly funny Trump was the only white guy in the top 4 for the Republicans. Racists and whatnot
Cruz sounds and acts like a slimeball. Just another typical politician. Read that guy the first time I ever heard him speak. Carson is the only guy with true ethics, but does not have the personality to excite the masses.
Yep. I at least know where he stands whereas guys like Cruz and others pretend to be something they are not. I would rather support the devil I know rather than the one I do not.
Do you know where he stands? While all politicians lie badly, factcheck.org and politifact.org, which check statements of truth show him as the worst of all.
- True1 (1%)(1)
- Mostly True5 (6%)(5)
- Half True14 (16%)(14)
- Mostly False14 (16%)(14)
- False35 (41%)(35)
- Pants on Fire17 (20%)
Very funny, and all the leftist media who were bemoaning how white Iowa was leading up to yesterday. yet none note the diversity among the top 4 finishers on the GOP side.....especially compared to what the Dems had to chose from.
Fauxahontas Warren has to be kicking herself, and had to have been kicking herself the last 6 months. If an ancient quirky socialist from Vermont could do this then if she had jumped in instead she would have won that thing last night by 20+ points, and be trouncing Hillary nationwide.
My thoughts on Rubio. With Bush falling on his face, he is now the chosen one with the establishment that want nothing to change in Washington.
http://theweek.com/articles/602815/rubiomania-upon
http://theweek.com/articles/602815/rubiomania-upon
Where is Rubio or Cruz going to get the votes? Mitt Romney got blown out and he was a better qualified person than Rubio and Cruz combined. There are some republicans who just live in fantasy land.
When either one of these turds get beat this November, don't rush on here like you're surprised.
When either one of these turds get beat this November, don't rush on here like you're surprised.
This process is going to evolve IMO. Trump doesn't command a majority of GOP voters IMO. Cruz has high unfavorables. Things are going to coalesce around Rubio in the next couple of months IMO. Plus, I'm convinced that in a general election, people are pretty visual unfortunately, and Rubio wins there.
Not being wealthy and mormon will help.
That's fantasy land, I'm talking about. He doesn't carry the demographics to win. He's a poor senator., so his political won't hold. Hispanics aren't voting in Rubio like African Americans did for Obama. The tide in demographics have changed. You're just setting you're self up for unrealistic expectations.
It's not so much expectations, than what I think will happen. However, as of today, I'm voting Rubio, if I decide to try out Kentucky's caucus process........ (thank you Rand Paul..... #sarcasm)
For the record, it's best not to get too excited over any politician, but in the US, we can vote and participate, so I plan to.
For the record, it's best not to get too excited over any politician, but in the US, we can vote and participate, so I plan to.
And Rubio is just as worse as Obama. Only the appeal that Rubio has is to the Far Right. The same Far Right that has ruined true conservative politics. The same Far Right that absolutely supports socialism when it comes personal freedoms. I hope he drops dead on the campaign trail, what a fake and full blooded piece of shit. and the Far Right can't win an election anymore.
Long way to go, of course, but would a Rubio/ Kasich ticket help solve some of that? Rubio/ Carson?
I dunno Wkycat. I just know that in order for Republicans to take the white House again that it better adopt the Libertarian mantra. If not, there is no chance. Zero that another social conservative ever wins again.
Mitt would be my pick of anyone from the last 4 election cycles (and I'd think he could win this year if he hadn't gotten the nomination in 2012). Competence. That's it. That's all I really want because, let's be honest, besides foreign policy the president isn't getting much done. Kasich was the adult in the room this year, and that ship appears to have sailed (although stranger things have happened). Maybe even Christie, blow hard that he is (and he is), at least has governorship experience.
We have a 50 state system, and one of the best parts is that we have 50 democracy laboratories. Lots of great ideas begin at the state and local level. And yet we consistently turn to ****ing senators to run for president. Sure, there are turds in the punch bowl, like Palin (sorry, GrannyTeaLeaves or whatever your name is), all the indicted guys from Illinois, Cuomo, the abhorrent Jindal, that dude from Kansas or Oklahoma who presides over a failed state, probably most of Cali's governors. But overall, the quality and experience is at the state level. So now we have Republicans dominating state governments (partly budget stuff - have to balance - partly they're better at gerrymandering and getting out the vote in smaller elections) and Dems have just turd nominees from the Senate (to be fair, I learned nothing about O'Malley and that other guy b/c why waste my time?). And the Rs run away from their governors.
Good post.
Also, how much of the dot com boom impacted Clinton's legacy? That and everything was freaking awesome from sports to pop culture
Yeah, I absolutely believe it was the Mormon thing, which not only turned off moderates but also Christians stayed home because they didn't fee compelled to vote because the majority of Christians do not see Mormons as Christians.
Don't put too much stock in Iowa. Huckabee won that place in 2008.
I seriously wish it was Trump just as a big eff you to DC and you wouldn't have a puppet in there but you would probably have an egomaniac though.
We seriously got to get away from the religious stuff and I say this as someone who does believe in God. We can't keep falling for this crap.
I get those who don't like Rubio because he ran as a tea party guy, strong on border stuff - and then immediately joined the establishment crowed (Shumer!!), seemingly going exactly the opposite way. Galling. I get those who look at Rubio and see an Obama clone: first term senator, hasn't done anything, no record to speak of - young, handsome and articulate is no way to pick a president. I get those, like Willy and Boss, who think it doesn't really matter anyway - they are all the same.
But I think it does matter. I think some would be worse than others. I think a Hillary presidency would be bad for the country. I also think, if Trump or, especially Cruz, is the nominee, they will be vilified like no other candidate in modern history and would suffer an ass-kicking of historic proportions. I like some of the other Rs, but for whatever reason they aren't taking. Some of them - Kasich, Christie in certain contexts - may each be as electable as Rubio, and certainly may be better qualified. But it just isn't happening.
That leaves Rubio. He's the one guy left who can i) get the nomination and ii) beat Hillary in November.
And the others know it. We're talking about a guy who, before last night, was mired in the middle of the pack, not a real threat seemingly to anyone. And yet:
"The Right to Rise super PAC, which Jeb Bush formed to support his candidacy, has spent $20 million of the more than $103 million it’s raised attacking Rubio..."
"Rubio has been the target of $8.5 million in negative ads — by far the most of any candidate in the field."
"Senator Ted Cruz, scrambling to put down a growing threat in Iowa from Senator Marco Rubio, is shifting nearly all of his negative advertising from Donald J. Trump to Mr. Rubio..."
Trump, Cruz and Hillary have all been hitting Rubio disproportionately, and Bush has emptied most of his arsenal on Rubio. They all know who the real threat to win is.......
But I think it does matter. I think some would be worse than others. I think a Hillary presidency would be bad for the country. I also think, if Trump or, especially Cruz, is the nominee, they will be vilified like no other candidate in modern history and would suffer an ass-kicking of historic proportions. I like some of the other Rs, but for whatever reason they aren't taking. Some of them - Kasich, Christie in certain contexts - may each be as electable as Rubio, and certainly may be better qualified. But it just isn't happening.
That leaves Rubio. He's the one guy left who can i) get the nomination and ii) beat Hillary in November.
And the others know it. We're talking about a guy who, before last night, was mired in the middle of the pack, not a real threat seemingly to anyone. And yet:
"The Right to Rise super PAC, which Jeb Bush formed to support his candidacy, has spent $20 million of the more than $103 million it’s raised attacking Rubio..."
"Rubio has been the target of $8.5 million in negative ads — by far the most of any candidate in the field."
"Senator Ted Cruz, scrambling to put down a growing threat in Iowa from Senator Marco Rubio, is shifting nearly all of his negative advertising from Donald J. Trump to Mr. Rubio..."
Trump, Cruz and Hillary have all been hitting Rubio disproportionately, and Bush has emptied most of his arsenal on Rubio. They all know who the real threat to win is.......
That's the reason why I'll consider voting for him in the general of he gets the nod.
But you're last line is correct. In the 80s, that worked hook, line, and sinker. But now, it doesn't hold the weight it use to. The GOP have to change with the times.
Great post.
as much I hate Hillary the worst, i cannot do the "anything but Hillary" vote. That is a waste of vote. If Rubio is elected, we will continue to regress towards a more shittier America. At this point, I'm not sure Rubio is any better than Hillary. They are both terrible candidates.
Real conservatives like Gary Johnson and Justin Amash don't the credit while sheeps in wolves clothing get all the attention. The lack of insight in this country kills me
Sorry if it's already been said, but Iowa just weeds out the field. Winning Iowa isn't the key, finishing in the top 4 is.
Agreed. I think Trump and Bernie win NH. Hillary and Rubio win SC.
IMO. Long way to go.
On the same wave length as you. I by no means think Trump is the greatest thing ever. He is essentially an Independent running as a Republican. I really could care less about his social views. The GOP has got to get with the times. Holding a Bible and throwing stones at folks who have abortions has not done anything to keep us from being the situation we are in now. I do not think any different of folks who have those strong beliefs. I believe in God but I am not going to use knowing a Bible verse as the main credential to get this country out of the mess it is in right now. I just think he is the best equipped to fix this economy and national debt which I think is the greatest threat to my generation and this country as a whole. Anyone who thinks he is going to press a button to launch a nuke are just blowing smoke.
I think thats the only real hope. That plus the greatly increased GOP voter turnout. To me, the turnout was the telling outcome from Iowa.
Yes Rubio would be a shittier America. But Hillary would be the end. At least Rubio wouldnt damage the country beyond repair.
Then why is he a candidate? It's Hillary vote Vs. the Anti-Hillary vote. That's a shameful way to look at this election.
Last night he said he was going to gather the best negotiators in the World to make sure Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc. pay their fare share for all that we do for them. I inferred that he was talking about our military support. (Kind of like the mafia asking local business owners for protection money. ) And then he walked off the stage.
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