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Iran is the biggest Ally of Russia.
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Iran is the biggest Ally of Russia.
Some reports on twitter that N.Korea could try a nuke test today. Might be an interesting day.
Statements by the Obama administration officials about the prisoner swap:
“In a reciprocal humanitarian gesture, six Iranian-Americans and one Iranian serving sentences or awaiting trial in the United States are being granted clemency. These individuals were not charged with terrorism or any violent offenses. They’re civilians, and their release is a one-time gesture to Iran given the unique opportunity offered by this moment and the larger circumstances at play.” — President Barack Obama, Jan. 17, 2016
“We made a reciprocal humanitarian gesture by releasing seven individuals, six of whom were U.S. nationals, who had either been tried and convicted of nonviolent crimes — essentially sanctions violations or violations of the trade embargo the United States has in place against Iran.” — Press Secretary Josh Earnest, White House press briefing, Jan. 19, 2016
“We ... did not have to release any Iranians involved in terrorism or convicted of violent crimes. Iran had a significantly higher number of individuals, of course, at the beginning of this negotiation that they would have liked to have seen released. But we were able to winnow that down to these seven individuals, six of whom are Iranian-Americans.” — Senior Obama administration official, Jan. 17, 2016, background briefing for reporters arranged by the White House
“These are people with sanctions violations. So we feel very comfortable that the United States of America held onto its principles, got its people home, kept faith with them. … There was going to be a lifting of sanctions there and it made sense for us to link sanctions-related offenses, which were about to expire anyway and be released, to the release of our people who had years ahead of them in jail.”
— Secretary of State John Kerry on Fox News’ “Fox & Friends,” Jan. 18, 2016
Fact check
The Obama administration actually granted clemency to seven Iranian-born men convicted or awaiting trial in the United States, including some that Justice Department officials said posed threats to national security, and dropped U.S. charges and international arrest warrants against 14 others. All fugitives, the 14 included some of the most wanted Iranian agents suspected of procuring parts and technology for Tehran’s nuclear, ballistics missile and weapons programs.
“In a reciprocal humanitarian gesture, six Iranian-Americans and one Iranian serving sentences or awaiting trial in the United States are being granted clemency. These individuals were not charged with terrorism or any violent offenses. They’re civilians, and their release is a one-time gesture to Iran given the unique opportunity offered by this moment and the larger circumstances at play.” — President Barack Obama, Jan. 17, 2016
“We made a reciprocal humanitarian gesture by releasing seven individuals, six of whom were U.S. nationals, who had either been tried and convicted of nonviolent crimes — essentially sanctions violations or violations of the trade embargo the United States has in place against Iran.” — Press Secretary Josh Earnest, White House press briefing, Jan. 19, 2016
“We ... did not have to release any Iranians involved in terrorism or convicted of violent crimes. Iran had a significantly higher number of individuals, of course, at the beginning of this negotiation that they would have liked to have seen released. But we were able to winnow that down to these seven individuals, six of whom are Iranian-Americans.” — Senior Obama administration official, Jan. 17, 2016, background briefing for reporters arranged by the White House
“These are people with sanctions violations. So we feel very comfortable that the United States of America held onto its principles, got its people home, kept faith with them. … There was going to be a lifting of sanctions there and it made sense for us to link sanctions-related offenses, which were about to expire anyway and be released, to the release of our people who had years ahead of them in jail.”
— Secretary of State John Kerry on Fox News’ “Fox & Friends,” Jan. 18, 2016
Fact check
The Obama administration actually granted clemency to seven Iranian-born men convicted or awaiting trial in the United States, including some that Justice Department officials said posed threats to national security, and dropped U.S. charges and international arrest warrants against 14 others. All fugitives, the 14 included some of the most wanted Iranian agents suspected of procuring parts and technology for Tehran’s nuclear, ballistics missile and weapons programs.
Did anyone have to answer for that plane full of cash we sent Iran?
I'm not sure that incident even made big time news. Like trending news, the only news that matters. The type of stuff that sticks around for at least a day or two.
As this info surely will not.
This stuff is either a) totally false or, the real issue b) big time media simply will not push to investigate these things because they are paid not to.
Ffs, any stupid kind of nonsensical gossip gets way more play and mileage than this shit. HOLY COW we are literally fixated on the life of stupid ass psychopath murderer Aaron Hernandez. Meanwhile, our beloved president of 8 years was/is a treasonous SOB who never had to answer to anybody.
I'm not sure that incident even made big time news. Like trending news, the only news that matters. The type of stuff that sticks around for at least a day or two.
As this info surely will not.
This stuff is either a) totally false or, the real issue b) big time media simply will not push to investigate these things because they are paid not to.
Ffs, any stupid kind of nonsensical gossip gets way more play and mileage than this shit. HOLY COW we are literally fixated on the life of stupid ass psychopath murderer Aaron Hernandez. Meanwhile, our beloved president of 8 years was/is a treasonous SOB who never had to answer to anybody.
The problem with your argument is that you're trying to compare empires that were built by conquest to nations that opened their arms to those who wished to come. Imposed change vs accepting change.
Change is going to happen, like it or not. Some people accept change, others fight it but change always wins. Nothing ever stays the same for very long. Technology changes things, peoples ideas change. The idea that with or without immigration that change would cease is laughable.
There is conflict in every society without exception. Open societies, closed societies, democracies and dictatorships.
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Comments from C/R:
Section 1 - my point - more than anything - is that "diversity" isn't a word to be accepted as a superficial term to describe something that's always good.
Words have meanings and are often purposely left obscure so that their progenitors (traditional left and right) can have as much leeway as possible to do what they want.
Ref: George Orwell's "Politics and the American Language" essay for where I'm coming from with that one -- although I'm sure you actually get it as is.
Sections 2 and 3: Agree, sure - change happens (however - IMO - REAL change is less common that we are led to believe)
Also some changes are less equal than others
We wouldn't sit back and watch a neo-Nazi movement take root and grow stronger without resisting -- because their legacy is very clear
I'm pointing out that the Marxists have even even WORSE political legacy and should be resisted as if they were an open Nazi movement
Almost everything else i'm writing these days revolves around that basic theme
Ultimately I believe we are experiencing history in cycles and wide circular iterations (as opposed to a linear "progression" from less sophisticated/informed to more)
Here's another free article on Marxist agitation -- focus on ANTIFA in a brief narrative
Amazing how closely parallel the tactics are to the Bolshevik revolution
I guess when you have a populace that doesn't pay attention to history
You don't have to work so hard to hide your tracks or explain things very well
https://wordpress.com/post/50ampfuse.blog/5290
https://wordpress.com/post/50ampfuse.blog/5250
*excerpts from both have been formatted and pasted here for quicker reference*
Here's a movement from the Marxists within the US (and their willing accomplices who should be held equally accountable) that centers on the idea of removing the President because he's believed to be "mentally unstable":
Sputnik News - but you can find it elsewhere as well
If attempted -- then this should be treated for what it is -- SEDITION
On a related note -- here's an article I noticed yesterday where the Marxist street rabble / useful idiots of Berkley, CA are licking their wounds because normal Americans stood up to them in their own state......their response? START COMBAT TRAINING TACTICS.......as in OPENLY PLANNING VIOLENT / TERRORIST TACTICS ...
READ THIS & TAKE HEED
an excerpt:
...among the left’s tolerant resistance movement, ... many asking how they can more effectively go to war against anyone who disagrees with their social, political, and economic views.
The anti-Trump protesters at the rally were ill-prepared for what they came to Berkeley to confront and now they are trying to figure out ways to ensure it doesn’t happen again.
In short, as predicted, they are turning to militancy and mob action by mobilizing individuals and groups to attend combat training seminars, acquiring better equipment like baseball bats and helmets, and of course, if things really go bad… guns.
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Quick article to share a link showing one of the VIOLENT Marxist organizations behind the anti-patriot / anti-Trump demonstrations -- especially in Berkeley.
Who is "ANTIFA"?
I wonder if they realize they represent Communist ideology -- the ones who ran more concentration camps than the Nazi's??
To some extent they certainly DO -- but I'm sure they don't want YOU thinking about that
Antifa was formed originally in Germany in the 1980s, its members taking the name of the communist paramilitary groups that engaged the Nazis in street-fighting in the 1930s.
This type of movement - historically - produces a counter-revolutionary response
I am choosing to write about it.
Others will choose to engage them in the streets.
The ONLY path I see (unless people start to call out the Marxist Left) is more violence.
Which fits the Marxist theories of "conflict" as the only means of driving change -- PERFECTLY
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“Anyone who tries to hold any sort of right-wing event literally gets beat up by militant communists in the street,” said independent journalist Lauren Southern, who was present at one of the pro-Trump Berkeley rallies, in a video taken immediately following the violence."
See the Irony? Their beloved Communism - is a European White Man's Economic Theory - so THEY ARE a "White Man's March"
Do you SERIOUSLY think that modern communists are marching for "Gender rights" or other lies? They're just filled with compassion to the point that they have to incite violence against anyone who opposes them -- in order to usher in Justice?
Change is going to happen, like it or not. Some people accept change, others fight it but change always wins. Nothing ever stays the same for very long. Technology changes things, peoples ideas change. The idea that with or without immigration that change would cease is laughable.
There is conflict in every society without exception. Open societies, closed societies, democracies and dictatorships.
--------------------
Comments from C/R:
Section 1 - my point - more than anything - is that "diversity" isn't a word to be accepted as a superficial term to describe something that's always good.
Words have meanings and are often purposely left obscure so that their progenitors (traditional left and right) can have as much leeway as possible to do what they want.
Ref: George Orwell's "Politics and the American Language" essay for where I'm coming from with that one -- although I'm sure you actually get it as is.
Sections 2 and 3: Agree, sure - change happens (however - IMO - REAL change is less common that we are led to believe)
Also some changes are less equal than others
We wouldn't sit back and watch a neo-Nazi movement take root and grow stronger without resisting -- because their legacy is very clear
I'm pointing out that the Marxists have even even WORSE political legacy and should be resisted as if they were an open Nazi movement
Almost everything else i'm writing these days revolves around that basic theme
Ultimately I believe we are experiencing history in cycles and wide circular iterations (as opposed to a linear "progression" from less sophisticated/informed to more)
Here's another free article on Marxist agitation -- focus on ANTIFA in a brief narrative
Amazing how closely parallel the tactics are to the Bolshevik revolution
I guess when you have a populace that doesn't pay attention to history
You don't have to work so hard to hide your tracks or explain things very well
https://wordpress.com/post/50ampfuse.blog/5290
https://wordpress.com/post/50ampfuse.blog/5250
*excerpts from both have been formatted and pasted here for quicker reference*
Here's a movement from the Marxists within the US (and their willing accomplices who should be held equally accountable) that centers on the idea of removing the President because he's believed to be "mentally unstable":
Sputnik News - but you can find it elsewhere as well
If attempted -- then this should be treated for what it is -- SEDITION
On a related note -- here's an article I noticed yesterday where the Marxist street rabble / useful idiots of Berkley, CA are licking their wounds because normal Americans stood up to them in their own state......their response? START COMBAT TRAINING TACTICS.......as in OPENLY PLANNING VIOLENT / TERRORIST TACTICS ...
READ THIS & TAKE HEED
an excerpt:
...among the left’s tolerant resistance movement, ... many asking how they can more effectively go to war against anyone who disagrees with their social, political, and economic views.
The anti-Trump protesters at the rally were ill-prepared for what they came to Berkeley to confront and now they are trying to figure out ways to ensure it doesn’t happen again.
In short, as predicted, they are turning to militancy and mob action by mobilizing individuals and groups to attend combat training seminars, acquiring better equipment like baseball bats and helmets, and of course, if things really go bad… guns.
---------------
Quick article to share a link showing one of the VIOLENT Marxist organizations behind the anti-patriot / anti-Trump demonstrations -- especially in Berkeley.
Who is "ANTIFA"?
I wonder if they realize they represent Communist ideology -- the ones who ran more concentration camps than the Nazi's??
To some extent they certainly DO -- but I'm sure they don't want YOU thinking about that
Antifa was formed originally in Germany in the 1980s, its members taking the name of the communist paramilitary groups that engaged the Nazis in street-fighting in the 1930s.
This type of movement - historically - produces a counter-revolutionary response
I am choosing to write about it.
Others will choose to engage them in the streets.
The ONLY path I see (unless people start to call out the Marxist Left) is more violence.
Which fits the Marxist theories of "conflict" as the only means of driving change -- PERFECTLY
...
“Anyone who tries to hold any sort of right-wing event literally gets beat up by militant communists in the street,” said independent journalist Lauren Southern, who was present at one of the pro-Trump Berkeley rallies, in a video taken immediately following the violence."
See the Irony? Their beloved Communism - is a European White Man's Economic Theory - so THEY ARE a "White Man's March"
Do you SERIOUSLY think that modern communists are marching for "Gender rights" or other lies? They're just filled with compassion to the point that they have to incite violence against anyone who opposes them -- in order to usher in Justice?
I am of the trans species variety and now consider myself a unicorn. Women just love those things.
Want to know why we need Mexicans.......I just met with a client who has landed 3 jobs in the last month that he bid months ago when help was everywhere. Huge jobs that he is now offering $25 an hour plus 401K/Insurance and a company truck and he can't fill 4 positions in order to do these jobs.
There you go! Leave the Mexicans alone!
You want to build a wall? Fine let the workers in and document them, then build the damn thing so they can stay.
You'd think all these nationalities would turn on the Muslims causing the damn problem, but nope! F America .
There you go! Leave the Mexicans alone!
You want to build a wall? Fine let the workers in and document them, then build the damn thing so they can stay.
You'd think all these nationalities would turn on the Muslims causing the damn problem, but nope! F America .
So tom Perez and Bernie are rebranding the Dem party? If those idiots would have let Bernie run we wouldn't have trump. Tmfs.
Pretty much.
Pretty much.
So, what you are saying is, you want to be a sugar daddy.
All 100 Senators have been invited to the White House for a classified briefing on NK. To be given by Mattis and McMasters.
Sorry, but I don't see Bernie ever winning a presidential election in the United States. Once he makes it to the general, and the majority of the country -- everyday working normies who don't normally follow, pay attention to or give a damn about politics -- gets a taste of his open boarders, everything is free, socialist agenda, it's game over.
Sorry, but I don't see Bernie ever winning a presidential election in the United States. Once he makes it to the general, and the majority of the country -- everyday working normies who don't normally follow, pay attention to or give a damn about politics -- gets a taste of his open boarders, everything is free, socialist agenda, it's game over.
So what does this mean? Lobbying Congress to authorize a preemptive strike on NK?
Great.
All the Dems had to do was put up a dead horse, anything, other than Hillary Clinton who was hated by both young and old, did not appeal to women or men. She's the worst presidential candidate in my lifetime. She allowed a clown like trump to win POTUS.
And I like Donald, but under any other circumstance, this guy is not anywhere on the political spectrum. R's failed, D's failed harder, so we got Trump.
After 4 years of this war stuff, racism, etc...we will be ready for the next Barack Obama to swoop in and promise CHANGE!!
America ain't getting any younger. As the olds die there will be nothing to stop us from opening our borders and declaring ourselves a member of the worldly community, our main duty to provide things like health and education to everybody. It's inevitable. Mfers on both rides of the aisle have been working for generations to make this happen. It will be a reality in 50 years.
And I like Donald, but under any other circumstance, this guy is not anywhere on the political spectrum. R's failed, D's failed harder, so we got Trump.
After 4 years of this war stuff, racism, etc...we will be ready for the next Barack Obama to swoop in and promise CHANGE!!
America ain't getting any younger. As the olds die there will be nothing to stop us from opening our borders and declaring ourselves a member of the worldly community, our main duty to provide things like health and education to everybody. It's inevitable. Mfers on both rides of the aisle have been working for generations to make this happen. It will be a reality in 50 years.
Not sure but Mattis is a serious man, so could be. Maybe he's tired of the sitting around and waiting on them to finally figure out a delivery system to start launching nukes all over the globe.
If China is on board I'm fine for bombing the shit outta them. Let's get Japan and Australia onboard as well in using their bases and forces too.
I refuse to believe NK will ever have the ability to launch nukes all over the globe. Whether through a Stuxnet-like virus or some sort of land/air/sea/space based missile defense capabilities, I'd imagine no missile will ever get close to the US.
Hannity said on his radio show that he will take legal action against that lying POS.
Zero chance NK could almost ever hit us with nukes, and even if they tried we could probably shoot it down before it even came close.
However, they could hit Seoul and possibly Japan, and other US interests. Which is a huge problem. Millions may die if something isn't done.
However, they could hit Seoul and possibly Japan, and other US interests. Which is a huge problem. Millions may die if something isn't done.
They don't even have consistent electricity. Hard to believe they can develop ICBMs. The shit in their parades looks fake to me.
Well then, fire up the jets. Time for my kids and grandkids to get saddled with another few trillion in debt to protect Seoul and Japan.
At least this time a radical Islamic terror organization probably won't replace the fat guy who's currently starving his people to death. Who knows though, I'm ready to see which country gets to install and prop up the next dictator.
The cash "given" to Iran was a small percentage of the cash owned by Iran in US banks that had been frozen here in the US. There is still $100s of millions of Iranian cash being held by the US. Been reported over and over but like always y'all want chase boogymen so you can ignore the same type deals being made by your hero.
Perhaps one day you'll realize that it's real easy to bitch about everything when you have no responsibility to take action. Easy to call China a currency manipulator and boast about all the hard line actions you would take...until reality slaps you in the face and you realize to get something, you gotta give something. Want China to help with N Korea? Gotta be nice to the Chinese and suck up. Want concessions from Iran, want to have inspectors that can observe Iran's nuclear program up close and personal? Give them back 10% of their own assets you've been holding.
Otherwise China says F you, deal with N Korea and their batshit crazy leader yourself. Iran says, want to start a 3rd war in the ME that you'll be fighting for the next ? decades??? Go ahead and see what happens to the world's oil markets.
What happened to what seemed like a dozen+ women who accused trump of sexual harrassing them?
In what decade where you born?
we don't owe Iran anything you ignorant pos. they chose to put money in our banks, then they choose to be the world's largest sponsor of terror and use that money to try an do harm to us and our allies, so we freeze those assets to protect our own interest. that is what super powers do. screw them, we didn't and don't at any point owe them a damn thing. your beliefs are what are the most dangerous thing threatening our country's long term stability. you and Obama and this ideology is truly the greatest enemy to our Union.
"What happened to what seemed like a dozen+ women who accused trump of sexual harrassing them?"
After losing the election they were probably told the Clintons nor Soros would back them in court now.
After losing the election they were probably told the Clintons nor Soros would back them in court now.
On Earth Day, shots fired at building housing leading climate skeptic scientists.
And speaking of the climate, Greenland just had a record breaking ice/snow year. Will need record breaking warm year to get back to normal.
And speaking of the climate, Greenland just had a record breaking ice/snow year. Will need record breaking warm year to get back to normal.
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The irony. That cvnt doesn't even pay his damn debts among civilized folk, and he's in here preaching about the US oweing terrorists money and defending said terrorists' rights to said money.
Gold Jerry!!!
First, your use of the word "owe" is misused. Second, the fact that you think that we are able to make a country allow inspectors onsite to keep eyes on their nuclear program without cost makes you the "ignorant pos" in this conversation.
What incentive do they have to change if there isn't anything in it for them? How many American lives and how much American treasury is it worth to you just to prove how tough you can be? Tough isn't always effective. How many trillions of $$ have we spent in Iraq and Afghanistan beating our chest? Have we really accomplished anything?
We wanted Iran's cooperation with regard to monitoring their nuclear program, that cooperation would not have happened without some concession.
they are never going to change. that's what liberals like you don't seem to understand. giving out hugs and love isn't going to make them do a damn thing. you are so everything that is wrong with this country. they are already in violation of the "agreement". they don't need incentive to change. they just received 1.2 billion in cash and another 150 billion from released sanctions. they just got the green light from Obama to go full throttle on their program.
It's people like him that will eventually end the world. They don't understand the REAL World we are living in.
