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How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
There is absolutely no way that can be the reason for the poly market move.

That poll is the most ridiculous poll ever put out. The fact you thought it was a good idea to post it tell me how f’n stupid you really are.
First, you're likely older than me and you're in attack mode for some reason. Be better than quoting someone and saying they're "f'n stupid". Try having a conversation instead of calling someone stupid on the internet.

Second, Selzer is highly respected and she's been off with her numbers once, in 2008 I believe. As I said, it doesn't mean Harris is going to win IA but even if Trump wins the state by a small margin, that doesn't bode well for him in other rust belt states. It's one poll but it's an important one. I'm sorry if you had dreams of Trump winning 45 states or getting 400 EV's. That was never going to happen.
 
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Polls out of Iowa are sparse, and have been this entire cycle. Not saying the poll is crap, but it IS a huge outlier. The same pollster had Trump up 18 a few months ago (a 21 point swing in a state Trump has won twice), and Emerson has Trump plus 10 so who knows.

I will be mildly surprised if Harris wins (based mostly on early voting in PA,GA,AZ, and NV) but I certainly won't be shocked.

These last polls before election day are clearly what is driving the betting markets. Anyone that didn't expect this hasn't been paying attention. Suppression of election day voting in the swing states will be crucial for Kamala and frankly, I think all of this is part of that effort. Just my two cents.
 
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Marist and CNN put out some ridiculous polls in the last few days showing Harris up 3%-6% in the three key rust belt states to show fake momentum. Rich Baris ripped those polls apart and noted that Marist is one of the least accurate polls every election cycle.
As has been noted by others here, this allows them to say “margin of error” when the ballot dumps happen.

We need a huge cushion.
 
First, you're likely older than me and you're in attack mode for some reason. Be better than quoting someone and saying they're "f'n stupid". Try having a conversation instead of calling someone stupid on the internet.

Second, Selzer is highly respected and she's been off with her numbers once, in 2008 I believe. As I said, it doesn't mean Harris is going to win IA but even if Trump wins the state by a small margin, that doesn't bode well for him in other rust belt states. It's one poll but it's an important one. I'm sorry if you had dreams of Trump winning 45 states or getting 400 EV's. That was never going to happen.
First off, you’re a f’n idiot. Doesn’t matter how old I am.
 
These refs have been terrible.

They aint gonna give uk a shot. Every time brock scrambles =hold. Not the same for nico.

Kinda like potus election.
 
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Election Wizard (which always gets posted here) is a right wing account that loves Trump. So yes, they will have him winning almost every swing state no matter what. Check that account on election night if Harris wins. I'd wager that account begins tweeting that it was stolen from Donald.

Here's my guess on things: Trump has somewhat imploded in the final week as millions have begun voting. Women will break for Harris and I don't see young men racing to the polls to vote for Trump just because he appeared on a few podcasts and talked about bitcoin. Abortion is still an important driver and Vance's obsession with single women and Trump saying things like he'll protect women "whether they like it or not" are wrong moves. Buddying up with Elon and RFK Jr. probably didn't help either lol.
 
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nightwish -

I've never heard of "election wizard" so I can't speak to that, but Baris' breakdowns of the RCP pollsters' crosstabs don't indicate the female voter gap that was anticipated. In fact, it's at about half of what Kamala was hoping for. Now, they're POLLS, and polls don't win elections. Based on the internals though, and the early vote in PA, Democrats are going to have to election day vote in record numbers to grab PA. Not saying they won't, just saying that is what it will take. And PA is where 270 gets "gotten", for BOTH candidates.
 
I will never pass judgement based on such brief videos, but very interested in what happened here. Surely doesn’t look good for the police though.

Yeah well if they were doing the Gator chomp then it is justified.

If something were reversed in that there would be some outrage. Kamala would be blaming Trump.
 
Election Wizard (which always gets posted here) is a right wing account that loves Trump. So yes, they will have him winning almost every swing state no matter what. Check that account on election night if Harris wins. I'd wager that account begins tweeting that it was stolen from Donald.

Here's my guess on things: Trump has somewhat imploded in the final week as millions have begun voting. Women will break for Harris and I don't see young men racing to the polls to vote for Trump just because he appeared on a few podcasts and talked about bitcoin. Abortion is still an important driver and Vance's obsession with single women and Trump saying things like he'll protect women "whether they like it or not" are wrong moves. Buddying up with Elon and RFK Jr. probably didn't help either lol.
LOL. Just quit dude. You obviously aren't "middle of the road"... You are a democrat partisan. Kamala is imploding by all accounts.



Baris final poll has Trump at 312. Quit just being a douchebag.
 
I've never heard of "election wizard" so I can't speak to that, but Baris' breakdowns of the RCP pollsters' crosstabs don't indicate the female voter gap that was anticipated. In fact, it's at about half of what Kamala was hoping for. Now, they're POLLS, and polls don't win elections. Based on the internals though, and the early vote in PA, Democrats are going to have to election day vote in record numbers to grab PA. Not saying they won't, just saying that is what it will take. And PA is where 270 gets "gotten", for BOTH candidates.
Trying to decipher early voting crosstabs in general is a dangerous game and can be spun in either direction. It's just hard to predict how most groups will vote when Donald Trump is on the ballot. Neither is going to take every swing state and there won't be a landslide, which is funny considering plenty of Trump voters believe that while those on the left are taking one poll from tonight and thinking Harris is now in landslide terrority herself. Trump is also spending the rest of his time in NC, which is sort of odd. Does he think he's got PA wrapped up or does he believe he's losing it? In recent days, he's begun saying PA is cheating. That doesn't sound like someone who believes he's going to win the state.
 
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Trying to decipher early voting crosstabs in general is a dangerous game and can be spun in either direction. It's just hard to predict how most groups will vote when Donald Trump is on the ballot. Neither is going to take every swing state and there won't be a landslide, which is funny considering plenty of Trump voters believe that while those on the left are taking one poll from tonight and thinking Harris is now in landslide terrority herself. Trump is also spending the rest of his time in NC, which is sort of odd. Does he think he's got PA wrapped up or does he believe he's losing it? In recent days, he's begun saying PA is cheating. That doesn't sound like someone who believes he's going to win the state.
BS. She is down to Hillary numbers in every single credible poll. You have to add in outlier polls to get her to even. If you actually followed this stuff instead of just listening to msm you wouldn't even be in here because we are going to bump these post in 4 to 15 days.
 
Trying to decipher early voting crosstabs in general is a dangerous game and can be spun in either direction. It's just hard to predict how most groups will vote when Donald Trump is on the ballot. Neither is going to take every swing state and there won't be a landslide, which is funny considering plenty of Trump voters believe that while those on the left are taking one poll from tonight and thinking Harris is now in landslide terrority herself. Trump is also spending the rest of his time in NC, which is sort of odd. Does he think he's got PA wrapped up or does he believe he's losing it? In recent days, he's begun saying PA is cheating. That doesn't sound like someone who believes he's going to win the state.

I wouldn't presume to know. LOL

I know this, if he loses NC, he's done. I've been saying that for months. It's the lynch pin. Without it, he needs PA AND either WI or MI.

If he wins NC, he forces Kamala to sweep the rust belt, and all three of those states are essentially tossups. He'll need one (if he holds Nevada) and she'll need all three.

Again, just my 2 cents. I wouldn't comfortably bet money on either one of them right now, that's how close it is.

(It's not early voting crosstabs I was referring to, it was pre-election polls.)
 
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I wouldn't presume to know. LOL

I know this, if he loses NC, he's done. I've been saying that for months. It's the lynch pin. Without it, he needs PA AND either WI or MI.

If he wins NC, he forces Kamala to sweep the rust belt, and all three of those states are essentially tossups. He'll need one (if he holds Nevada) and she'll need all three.

Again, just my 2 cents. I wouldn't comfortably bet money on either one of them right now, that's how close it is.

(It's not early voting crosstabs I was referring to, it was pre-election polls.)
So Turmp took NC in 16 and 20 and now after skewing more conservative is going to go dem....OK. Or maybe they are just trying to keep people like NightWish hopeful so that when they try to steal it they have a reasonable take. NC is +3 pub at a minimum right now.
 
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I wouldn't presume to know. LOL

I know this, if he loses NC, he's done. I've been saying that for months. It's the lynch pin. Without it, he needs PA AND either WI or MI.

If he wins NC, he forces Kamala to sweep the rust belt, and all three of those states are essentially tossups. He'll need one (if he holds Nevada) and she'll need all three.

Again, just my 2 cents. I wouldn't comfortably bet money on either one of them right now, that's how close it is.

(It's not early voting crosstabs I was referring to, it was pre-election polls.)
The other day some guy on Reddit said he put $10,000 on Harris. I think it'd pay $28,000 or something but I can't tell you how insane that is in a race this close. Granted, I've believed for months Trump will lose and still believe that but putting that much coin on this election? No.

I was most confident during the '08 and '12 elections. 2016 got me as it got most people. And I was very confident in 2020. 2024? I'm slightly confident and really believe women are going to be the deciding factor.
 
Yes, Florida is going to vote for Trump. We know that already. Wanna show us a tweet of how MS is voting too? What I'm curious about is what the talking points will be if he loses the election. It can't just be polls were wrong in 2016 so all polls are wrong forever and 2020 and 2024 equals stolen. That sounds ridiculous but I think we're headed that way, at least in this thread.
 
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