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[Dionysus444]

Spoken like a man without a daughter.

If I had a daughter I'd tell her her self-worth isn't determined by how fast other people can swim in a pool. She should do her best and always strive to improve. That doesn't change just because she isn't Michael Phelps and never will be. It doesn't matter at all whether Riley Gaines isn't as good as Katie Ledecky or isn't as good as Michael Phelps. She still isn't as good.

 

[sefus12]

This is true. But Trump’s tariffs are equally dumb. This is the conundrum. Both sides advocate dumb populist plans that have no chance of actually going into effect.

Responses like this are why I can’t take you seriously.

Did you see Trump’s economy (pre-COVID fiasco) when he had his tariffs in place? It was light years better than what we are seeing right now. I don’t give a sh*t what anyone thinks about Trump’s personality, but he had the economy humming and there’s no reason to think he couldn’t do it again if given the chance.

 

[JumperJack]

If I had a daughter, I'd tell her her self-worth isn't determined by how fast other people can swim in a pool. She should do her best and always strive to improve.

Isn’t it strange that you don’t hold the same view when it comes to income?

 

[Girthang]

It’s not a mystery . It was my job . I was in the industry ,on the legal and financial side.

In a nutshell, banks and mortgage companies were shamed into offering mortgage loans to people they knew couldn’t afford it, and would default in short order.

That’s it. Not really any need for further discussion.

Exactly. They called it a subprime crisis, when it had nothing to do with subprime mortgages. There was a HUGE difference between subprime and what was forced down the throat of banks and mortgage lenders.

The difference between prime and A- paper was minimal. Usually just a one or two disqualifications from prime. Those loans were still good. In fact, down to B paper still wasn't super high risk, considering the people that were still qualifying even with the rate bumps. You could set those people up on a 2 or 3 year fixed rate (adjusting after that), with no prepay penalty, and refinance them at the end of 2 years.

Where it got hairy was the low B to D. Slippery slope there as people that weren't A- or high B usually missed on the way down that ladder as well. Matrixes were garbage down below B paper. Mostly there to sell brokers on doing business with the subprime lender producing them, rather than actually being closeable.

STILL that had nothing to do with the crisis, as that centered around govt servicers lowering their qualifying criteria for people that even subprime people knew weren't ready to buy. They were forced to do so, sure, because of quotas and balance sheets. They should have fought harder, but didn't because FNMA AND FREDDIE backed the product without any investors/servicers that wanted to touch the finished product. Those portfolios were a MESS.

Of course, the banks blamed it on mortgage brokers because they were easy targets and took away most of their good quality business prior to the "crisis" created by the govt entities.

Since then, they've made it even worse for good standing borrowers to get loans tailored to their needs. Nearly zero flexibility for any remaining brokers and small banks to customize their offerings. Dodd Frank is only part of the story

Govt overreach killed that industry just as "affordable care" has forced insurance into a dangerous state across the country, and refusing to protect the border and export illegal aliens has crushed the future of "social security."

 

[ukalum1988]

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You know, after what went down in 2020, I don’t think we should be using crowd sizes to predict the outcome of the election. Kamala will be a disaster for this country, but let’s not underestimate Democrats ability to generate ballots for their candidates. If the GOP can’t beat the Dems at their own game of subterfuge, then there’s a high risk of a 2020 repeat.

 

[Dionysus444]

Isn’t it strange that you don’t hold the same view when it comes to income?

I do. The problem is if you suck at swimming in a pool, nothing happens. Just avoid swimming. If you suck at accruing income, you die. You can't avoid eating.

 

[Girthang]

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We need to lockdown the govt before we lock a single door outside of it.

If shutting down the economy is even an option at this point after all we've learned about the bullsht that was 2020-2021 and its detrimental effects, just shut down the legislature and medical agencies, wait til everyone is gone for the night and put chains on the doors of capitol buildings, governors offices, health depts, alphabet agencies, and other such offices across this country.

We have enough laws in place already. Just enforce the constitutional ones and remove the sellouts that are calling for lockdowns and doing insider trading every time they create a crisis.

 

[Girthang]

You know, after what went down in 2020, I don’t think we should be using crowd sizes to predict the outcome of the election. Kamala will be a disaster for this country, but let’s not underestimate Democrats ability to generate ballots for their candidates. If the GOP can’t beat the Dems at their own game of subterfuge, then there’s a high risk of a 2020 repeat.

...if not a guarantee.

 

[Dionysus444]

Responses like this are why I can’t take you seriously.

Did you see Trump’s economy (pre-COVID fiasco) when he had his tariffs in place? It was light years better than what we are seeing right now. I don’t give a sh*t what anyone thinks about Trump’s personality, but he had the economy humming, tariffs and all.

Probably because many people don't attribute an economy's success or failure directly to the figurehead of the president. Does Clinton get all the credit for reigning over the tech boom in the 90s? Does Trump get all of the blame for covid wrecking the economy? If you don't answer yes to both questions your initial premise is bunk.

 

[DreadLox]

It’s not a mystery . It was my job . I was in the industry ,on the legal and financial side.

In a nutshell, banks and mortgage companies were shamed into offering mortgage loans to people they knew couldn’t afford it, and would default in short order.

That’s it. Not really any need for further discussion.

The losses from the mortgages were trivial compared to the CDO losses. CDOs who value vanished once housing prices declined.

This is all very old stuff.

 

[JumperJack]

Probably the greatest self-own in American political history.

 

[TheFrontRunner]

You know, after what went down in 2020, I don’t think we should be using crowd sizes to predict the outcome of the election. Kamala will be a disaster for this country, but let’s not underestimate Democrats ability to generate ballots for their candidates. If the GOP can’t beat the Dems at their own game of subterfuge, then there’s a high risk of a 2020 repeat.

I agree with you, but I think people should still point out the ridiculousness of it.

 

[JumperJack]

I do. The problem is if you suck at swimming in a pool, nothing happens. Just avoid swimming. If you suck at accruing income, you die. You can't avoid eating.

People don’t die from not getting rich. It may shock you to know that many of us were raised on beans and potatoes and have done just fine.

You have a cartoon-like view of the world.

 

[sefus12]

Probably because many people don't attribute an economy's success or failure directly to the figurehead of the president. Does Clinton get all the credit for reigning over the tech boom in the 90s? Does Trump get all of the blame for covid wrecking the economy? If you don't answer yes to both questions your initial premise is bunk.

I wasn’t old enough to know exactly what Clinton did to help the economy in the 90s, so I can’t say he was or wasn’t responsible. But if he limited unnecessary regulations that helped the tech companies boom, then yes, he deserves some credit for the tech boom. But Trump did clear regulations while lowering taxes (among other things) and our economy took off. He absolutely deserves credit for that. And yes, he deserves some of the blame for COVID as well. But at the end of the day, Trump knows how the economy works and Harris doesn’t. That’s about as simple as it gets.

 

[JumperJack]

This number is so shocking that I have doubts that it is true, but the point remains: we are being invaded and destroyed and Kamala Harris failed to even try to stop it.

 

[DreadLox]

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You seem surprised that a worldwide pandemic would have economic ramifications.

 

[Wildcats1st]

Kamala sucks ass. Literally a socialist.


If you support legal weed use. Why would you puruse the death penalty for weed dealers? Kinda retarded.

What are you talking about? Anyone trafficking large quantities of weed from Latin America is also moving cocaine and fentenayl. Not to mention humans and other shat

 

[Dionysus444]

People don’t die from not getting rich. It may shock you to know that many of us were raised on beans and potatoes and have done just fine.

You have a cartoon-like view of the world.

Our for-profit healthcare system means exactly that. Many don't seek the help they need because of the cost. Hopefully you were lucky enough to be fit with no serious congenital or systemic issues. Not everyone is so lucky.

And you still gotta pay for beans and potatoes.

 

[DreadLox]

Responses like this are why I can’t take you seriously.

Did you see Trump’s economy (pre-COVID fiasco) when he had his tariffs in place? It was light years better than what we are seeing right now. I don’t give a sh*t what anyone thinks about Trump’s personality, but he had the economy humming and there’s no reason to think he couldn’t do it again if given the chance.

COVID has given you memory problems. Or faulty grasp of history.

U.S. economic performance by presidential party

 

[sambowieshin]

It is. Already been decided by the SC.

''Schenck v. United States established a nuanced approach to free speech, requiring a direct and imminent threat to public safety before restricting speech.''

You mean like an attack on the US Capitol where people are chanting hang Mike Pence? 🤡😂😉

 

[trueblujr2]

I’m a product of my surroundings, absolutely. But that’s been basically from the jump. Was a rabid lefty long before I made it to college. You know Thomas Crooks’s classmates’ story about the time they lined up by political affiliation and he was alone on the conservative side? That was me in AP Government, just in reverse. I’m been getting called a dirty commie since long before I went to college or got on this thread.

So the grade schools and High Schools are planting the seeds.

 

[JumperJack]

Our for-profit healthcare system means exactly that. Many don't seek the help they need because of the cost. Hopefully you were lucky enough to be fit with no serious congenital or systemic issues. Not everyone is so lucky.

And you still gotta pay for beans and potatoes.

Ah, the shifting of the point.

So for everyone else, the point remains: men shouldn’t be competing again women, or be in their locker rooms,

and lack of wealth doesn’t equate to starvation.

 

[JumperJack]

So the grade schools and High Schools are planting the seeds.

Astounding that Karl can read, but still believes Marxism can make people better off.

 

[JumperJack]

How can anyone not see the biggest problem we have BESIDES illegal immigration?

 

[Dionysus444]

So the grade schools and High Schools are planting the seeds.

How does, "Almost everyone in my High School was conservative, except for me," which was the story I just told, translate to grade school indoctrination to you?

 

[Dionysus444]

Ah, the shifting of the point.

So for everyone else, the point remains: men shouldn’t be competing again women, or be in their locker rooms,

and lack of wealth doesn’t equate to starvation.

I didn't shift any point. It costs money to live. Losing at sports doesn't kill you.

 

[hmt5000]

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This is the problem with electing socialist idiots to positions of power. Between this and the price controls she could push this recession into depression levels in a matter of a few years.

 

[UK82]

Only the uninformed agree with price control.

 

[hmt5000]

“You don’t have to intend racism to accomplish it.”

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CNN is a meme at this point. Does anyone actually watch for anything other than to laugh at stuff like this?

 

[vhcat70]

Vance plane makes emergency landing in Milwaukee. Boeing 737, main door opens in flight.

I can't find anything about this. Suppose I don't know where to look.

 

[Louis_Skunt]

Again.... I only brought any of it up in RESPONSE to Trump, this board and the Right Wing media making comments about Kamala's "blackness" and calling her the DEI hire. Calling her "Kamaleon" for claiming black and Asian heritage. She's bi-racial for Christ's sake.
Do you live under a rock? Have you not heard any of that BS being said about her?
My point was that if you all are gonna call her DEI or "Kamaleon" ... Then do a better job of explaining why DEI is completely unnecessary when your party has NEVER run a single POC for President or VP.
There's lots of irony there you are not getting.
Making fun of DEI while showing that without DEI it's a whites only club.
The ALL White Presidents Party really just needs to stfu about Kamala's race and DEI.

This is easy.
Are the Repubs supposed to beg them to run like Dems do? Its a homerun if they want the position due to sweeping the votes on both sides... but Black people dont want to run for president on the Repub side. Black people are only 13% of the population, what is the % of blacks that are Republicans, maybe half a percent at best? It's not like thousands grow up dreaming of becoming a politician. Seems like the love the mayoral positions and it stops there.

Dems have more minorities in politics because theyre gifted or pushed into it. Thats EXACTLY how you get nut cases pushing for violence like Maxine Waters, or classless losers like Stacey Abrams, or completely lost politicians like Kamala. They aren't qualified and have made terrible fools of themselves. They weren't qualified, they were gifted the position through skin color.

I like Tim Scott, and he seemed motivated but he's not sharp enough to carry on a conversation about anything but gas prices. He'd get demolished in an open debate. Nikki Haley is great, she'd beat Kamala with ease but thats another conversation.

But if you want to discuss DEI, why aren't there more white running backs in the NFL?

 

[hmt5000]

Putin is not going to use nukes. Ask any of his supporters on the R-U War thread.

Wrong.... He has stated his red lines for using nukes. People just want to ignore it and pretend Russia doesn't have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.

 

[vhcat70]

Unbelievable.

Do Democrats just plan to kill and imprison their opposition?

It's the Trump campaign's plane, not the government's.

 

[hmt5000]

I have a problem with the fealty it's adherents have to one person only vs. the rest of us. Not being a MAGA adherent isn't unamerican. So you're equally welcome to find your own country. To hell with excessive spending. Screw higher taxes thru tariffs. I have no need to call Harris names or fixate on her race.

Only about 10% of MAGA voters are Trump only voters. You just really don't want to accept that. 90%ish of Trump voters would have supported Ron if he won. The other 10% aren't pub voters. They only vote pub for Trump. Tons of democrats "walked away" and are die hards. Tons of black and hispanic voters are voting for Trump but not Pubs in general.

You have to look deeper than just surface level. And why are you so opposed to tarrifs? That was how the constitution was set up to fund the government. How about we tax foreigners for selling here instead taxing Americans and not foreigners?

 

[vhcat70]

I’ve been in the Finger Lakes region of NY fr a week now. Seen probably 75-100 Trump signs or flags in yards just driving all over the area. Literally not a single Harris or Biden sign. Not even one. Not even in Ithaca which has 2 very liberal colleges.

There's 10x that many people in a single apartment building in NYC. Some precincts there gave Trump all of 3% of the vote in 2020.

 

[hmt5000]

Go rent a car without an ID and let me know how that works out for ya. Go to an airport and try to get on a plane without an ID and report back. Go buy a box of Sudafed at CVS and tell the pharmacist you don't have an ID....you'll come back w/ some saline solution instead.

2nd amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms.... So why should I have to show an ID to buy a gun since owning guns is more protected by the constitution than voting?