POLITICAL THREAD

[trueblujr2]

Does anyone think Newsom is a good candidate? Or does everyone just think it’s his turn?

The real next President will be whoever Biden’s Running Mate is. Assuming they manipulate the election again.

 

[yes_takeaside]

I know it would be light-years better for even Haley to be Potus than Biden or any Dem.. I know this is the biggest election of my lifetime and likely much further than that. It's also the easiest election to win agsinst a man who should be in a nursing home and a vp who is the embodiment of a ditzy air head with a Joker laugh. Yet it's a damn coin flip! Trump is probably the most polorizing figure in American political history at least modern era. That's not who you run in an election you must win at all costs. The Dems can swing and miss and be fine they got the media and education system that will always back them Conaervatives can't miss here.

But we are where we are I have no choice but to support Trump but I don't have to like the fact he's the nominee to do it. This election should have been a slam dunk walk.

Not a coin flip at all. The polls lie.

They have to pretend it’s close to allow for a potential cheat.

Biden has no legit shot, and may not even be the candidate.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Section 2 of Moore v. Harper. Most of the cases and precedents cited are from the 17 and 18 hundreds my friend:

"2. The Elections Clause does not vest exclusive and independent authority in state legislatures to set the rules regarding federal elections. Marbury v. Madison, 1 Cranch 137, famously proclaimed this Court’s authority to invalidate laws that violate the Federal Constitution. But Marbury did not invent the concept of judicial review. State courts had already begun to impose restraints on state legislatures, even before the Constitutional Convention, and the practice continued to mature during the founding era. James Madison extolled judicial review as one of the key virtues of a constitutional system, and the concept of judicial review was so entrenched by the time the Court decided Marbury that Chief Justice Marshall referred to it as one of society’s “fundamental principles.” Id., at 177.. The Elections Clause does not carve out an exception to that fundamental principle. When state legislatures prescribe the rules concerning federal elections, they remain subject to the ordinary exercise of state judicial review. Pp. 11–26.
(a) In Ohio ex rel. Davis v. Hildebrant, 241 U. S. 565, this Court examined the Elections Clause’s application to a provision of the Ohio Constitution permitting the State’s voters to reject, by popular vote, any law enacted by the State’s General Assembly. This Court upheld the Ohio Supreme Court’s determination that the Federal Elections Clause did not preclude subjecting legislative acts under the Clause toa popular referendum, rejecting the contention that “to include the referendum within state legislative power for the purpose of apportionment is repugnant to §4 of Article I [the Elections Clause].” Id., at 569. And in Smiley v. Holm, 285 U. S. 355, this Court considered the effect of a Governor’s veto, pursuant to his authority under the State’s Constitution, of a congressional redistricting plan. This Court held that the Governor’s veto did not violate the Elections Clause, reasoning that a state legislature’s “exercise of . . . authority” under the Elections Clause “must be in accordance with the method which the State has prescribed for legislative enactments.” Id., at 367. The Court highlighted that the Federal Constitution contained no “provision of an attempt to endow the legislature of the State with power to enact laws in any manner other than that in which the constitution of the State has provided that laws shall be enacted.” Id., at 368. This Court recently reinforced the teachings of Hildebrant and Smiley in Arizona State Legislature v. Arizona Independent Redistricting Comm’n, 576 U. S. 787, a case concerning the constitutionality of anArizona ballot initiative to amend the State Constitution and to vest redistricting authority in an independent commission. Significantly for present purposes, the Court embraced the core principle espoused in Hildebrant and Smiley: Whatever authority was responsible for redistricting, that entity remained subject to constraints set forth in the State Constitution. The Court dismissed the argument that the Elections Clause divests state constitutions of the power to enforce checks against the exercise of legislative power. The basic principle of these cases—reflected in Smiley’s unanimous command that a state legislature may not “create congressional districts independently of” requirements imposed “by the state constitution with respect to the enactment of laws,” 285 U. S., at 373—commands continued respect. Pp. 15–18.
(b) The precedents of this Court have long rejected the view that legislative action under the Elections Clause is purely federal in character, governed only by restraints found in the Federal Constitution. The argument to the contrary does not account for the Framers’ understanding that when legislatures make laws, they are bound by the provisions of the very documents that give them life. Thus, when a state legislature carries out its federal constitutional power to prescribe rules regulating federal elections, it acts both as a lawmakingbody created and bound by its state constitution, and as the entity assigned particular authority by the Federal Constitution. Both constitutions restrain the state legislature’s exercise of power. This Court’s decision in McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U. S. 1, in which the Court analyzed the Constitution’s similarly worded Electors Clause, is inapposite. That decision did not address any conflict between state constitutional provisions and state legislatures. Nor does Leser v. Garnett, 258 U. S. 130, which involved a contested vote by a state legislature to ratify a federal constitutional amendment, help petitioners. That case concerned the power of state legislatures to ratifyamendments to the Federal Constitution. But fashioning regulations governing federal elections “unquestionably calls for the exercise oflawmaking authority.” Arizona State Legislature, 576 U. S., at 808, n. 17. And the exercise of such authority in the context of the Elections Clause is subject to the ordinary constraints on lawmaking in the state constitution. Pp. 18–22.
(c) Petitioners concede that at least some state constitutional provisions can restrain a state legislature’s exercise of authority under the Elections Clause, but they read Smiley and Hildebrant to differentiate between procedural and substantive constraints. But neither case drew such a distinction, and petitioners do not in any event offera defensible line between procedure and substance in this context. Pp.22–24.
(d) Historical practice confirms that state legislatures remain Cite as: 600 U. S. ____ (2023) 5 Syllabus bound by state constitutional restraints when exercising authority under the Elections Clause. Two state constitutional provisions adopted shortly after the founding expressly constrained state legislative action under the Elections Clause. See Del. Const., Art. VIII, §2 (1792); Md. Const., Art. XIV (1810).
In addition, multiple state constitutions at the time of the founding regulated the “manner” of federal elections by requiring that “elections shall be by ballot.” See, e.g., Ga. Const., Art. IV, §2.
Moreover, the Articles of Confederation—from which the Framers borrowed—provided that “delegates shall be annually appointed in such manner as the legislature of each state shall direct.” Art. V. Around the time the Articles were adopted, multiple States regulated the appointment of delegates, suggesting that the Framers did not understand that language to insulate state legislative action from state constitutional provisions. See, e.g., Del. Const., Art. XI (1776). Pp. 24–26."

WTF are you cutting and pasting from?

Google is not your friend, because you don’t know what you are reading or even looking for, friend. Should have simply gone to Wikipedia.

“Beginning with Gitlow v. New York (1925), the Supreme Court applied the First Amendment to states—a process known as incorporation—through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

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[Caveman Catfan]

Republican movements in the ME are significantly better than the monarchies we align ourselves with.

You are like a sitcom. I would call you Dorcas, but I do not want to offend the memory of Tabitha. 😆

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Whatever this post is, at least you saw with your own eyes the IDF using human shields. We'll see if you remember next time you try to paint them as the good guys with your 'false equivalency'.

I am not sure what I saw, but I know that innocents are dying in Gaza because Hamas hides behind them and under them. At least you admit that.

 

[screwduke1]

Losers.

 

[screwduke1]

12 year old Jewish girl gets raped because she is Jewish...the AP thought it was appropriate to go after Israel in the article about it. Beyond pathetic.

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I really don't get the crazy hatred Israel and Jews get. They literally do nothing and try to survive and the whole world just shits on them.

 

[Marleydogg]

'Human shields, HUMAN SHIELDS!!!!1!!' to 'Human shields are fine when my side does it. Duh.'

Look, commie clown, an enemy combatant isn't exactly a human shield. That refers to innocent civilians, but no shock you can't really make a distinction, since pretty much everyone is Gaza is a combatant.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

'Human shields, HUMAN SHIELDS!!!!1!!' to 'Human shields are fine when my side does it. Duh.'

We know you think Hamas hiding under schools, hospitals, and apartments after starting a war is okay so long as it gives you permission to blame Jews. If my government raped, baked, stole, and slaughtered people to start a war and then wanted to hide under my local elementary school, I’d take up arms it against myself.

 

[trueblujr2]

Soooo…basically what I said.

Sorta not really. You implied a Dem Governor being ahead in the polls implies the state will be tighter than people think when voting Trump. I pointed out how Kentucky, despite voting Dems for governor is still overwhelmingly a Red state when it comes to Federal elections. Andy Beshear winning the Governor’s race has not changed the fact Kentucky will still go 60-40 in Trumps favor.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

The real next President will be whoever Biden’s Running Mate is. Assuming they manipulate the election again.

I guess it is a selling point to Dems for Biden to admit he does not know if he will serve the whole term if he wins.

 

[screwduke1]

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I believe this video is old...from the 2016 or 2020 election cycle. Still funny as hell though.

 

[Marleydogg]

'Human shields, HUMAN SHIELDS!!!!1!!' to 'Human shields are fine when my side does it. Duh.'

Also, you didn't address my point.

How effective is a 'Human shield', when the people you are using the shield against have no regard at all for that life, and would blow that convoy to hell if they had the opportunity, regardless of dude on the hood of the vehicle.

Answer please.

 

[screwduke1]

We need D-Sus to tell us how Hezbollah are allies to Democracy.

As soon as Israel invades Lebanon (sounds like pretty soon) I'm sure dion will tell us how much he loves Hezbollah.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Losers.

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I really wonder if a good ass whooping would be good for these people. Maybe a few public canings?

 

[screwduke1]

https://www.newsmax.com/us/donald-trump-vice-president-2024-elections/2024/06/22/id/1169767/

Trumps VP pick will be at debate.

Is there a list somewhere of who is gonna be at the debate?

 

[SDC888]

Im convinced trump was the only scenario where they stick with Biden. Anyone else and newsom would've been it

What they are doing, and have been doing, is weaseling in a style-over-substance figurehead to advance their agenda, then acting like that is a mandate against yours, a repudiation of it.

Remember Dukakis looking like a loser sticking his head out of the tank, lanky Kerry trying to look hip windsurfuing, or Gore just being his monotone self. With Baideng, they have his faux sympathetic grandpa charm, while Barry could speak eloquently as a pseudo-intellectual without actually saying anything and look "cool" doing it. THey learned their lesson.

It's down by down, moving the ball down the field while you are left with your hands in your pockets, wondering why people don't vote for the candidate with the obviously more subtsantive policy.

 

[RunninRichie]

Socialism is the last step before full blown communism, lmao. Anyone saying that is a retard.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

Losers.

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Shouldn’t they be going after the LIV?

 

[AshWilliams]

Pedophile Sting Allegedly Catches Maryland Dem Party LGBTQ+ Diversity Chair [VIDEOS]

"Groomers are about to be mad." - Alex Rosen

www.rvmnews.com

Does Samwise live in MD?

 

[SDC888]

I believe this video is old...from the 2016 or 2020 election cycle. Still funny as hell though.

evergreen

 

[vhcat70]

https://www.newsmax.com/us/donald-trump-vice-president-2024-elections/2024/06/22/id/1169767/

Trumps VP pick will be at debate.

I thought they weren't allowed any guests. No?

 

[Dore95]

Those injured Palestinians should be afraid, because Hamas would just assume cut off their heads than care about how they were being transported.

“Just assume”? I normally wouldn’t say anything but you talk down to everyone on here.

 

[AshWilliams]

What is it with the left and diddling kids

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Dogface looks like she was hit in the face with an anvil.

 

[AshWilliams]

I really don't get the crazy hatred Israel and Jews get. They literally do nothing and try to survive and the whole world just shits on them.

Ever heard of Satan?

 

[55wildcat]

LMAO.....

‘Bling bishop’ who was robbed of $1m worth of jewelry in front of …​

 

[55wildcat]

Free Marriage Tip:
Don't ask your wife when dinner will be ready while she is mowing the lawn

 

[tommyg4uk]

Sorta not really. You implied a Dem Governor being ahead in the polls implies the state will be tighter than people think when voting Trump. I pointed out how Kentucky, despite voting Dems for governor is still overwhelmingly a Red state when it comes to Federal elections. Andy Beshear winning the Governor’s race has not changed the fact Kentucky will still go 60-40 in Trumps favor.

No I didn’t.

I specifically said I would bet on a split ticket as of now and that NC polling is much tighter than people realize.

Trump is even polling better in NV right now.

Robinson certainly doesn’t HELP the ticket, but wouldn’t necessarily be the reason Trump lost NC if that were to happen .

 

[Lost In FL]

Yes, the Louisiana state legislature is Congress. Your initial premise is incorrect and hence the rest does not need to be addressed yet.

You can't address it because your programmers haven't told you what to say yet. NPC.

 

[L.O.D.]

Not a coin flip at all. The polls lie.

They have to pretend it’s close to allow for a potential cheat.

Biden has no legit shot, and may not even be the candidate.

I hope you're right but I pray Biden is the Canidate as I am not sure Trump can beat anyone else.

 

[55wildcat]

 

[UK82]

Losers.

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Stonehenge and now a PGA tournament. The only accomplishment the Stop Oil Now crowd has achieved is pissing a hell of a lot of people off. Nothing more.

 

[Dionysus444]

WTF are you cutting and pasting from?

Google is not your friend, because you don’t know what you are reading or even looking for, friend. Should have simply gone to Wikipedia.

“Beginning with Gitlow v. New York (1925), the Supreme Court applied the First Amendment to states—a process known as incorporation—through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

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I cut and paste directly from Moore v. Harper which directly addressed the ISL theory @Lost In FL was espousing. "Congress" as used in the Constitution, specifically here the First Amendment, refers to all government apparatus. Including the Louisiana State Legislature.

 

[Dionysus444]

Also, you didn't address my point.

How effective is a 'Human shield', when the people you are using the shield against have no regard at all for that life, and would blow that convoy to hell if they had the opportunity, regardless of dude on the hood of the vehicle.

Answer please.

Your premise is just bullshit bigotry.

 

[Dionysus444]

As soon as Israel invades Lebanon (sounds like pretty soon) I'm sure dion will tell us how much he loves Hezbollah.

And I'm sure you'll be here cheering Israel on like the little fascist you are.

 

[UK_1576]

Your premise is just bullshit bigotry.

You want to kill Jewish people. How about you pipe down, Hitler.

 

[UK_1576]

And I'm sure you'll be here cheering them on like the fascist you are.

You literally want to kill Jewish people. You are the fascist, Hitler.

 

[UK_1576]

I cut and paste directly from Moore v. Harper which directly addressed the ISL theory @Lost In FL was espousing. "Congress" as used in the Constitution, specifically here the First Amendment, refers to all government apparatus. Including the Louisiana state legislature.

All you do is copy and paste, because you’re trash. White fascist trash.

 

[Dionysus444]

You can't address it because your programmers haven't told you what to say yet. NPC.

No, your entire post was built on a flawed premise. The rest was just nonsense that flowed from that. The Louisiana State Legislature is part of Congress as used in the First.

 

[SDC888]