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The left won't tell you that if Trump were to win, the destruction they will cause would make any from the right look like childsplay.

It’s all just preemptive excuses due to Trumps lead in polls. If he wins, and i doubt the dem fraud train will let him, the whole narrative for their rioting will be…What about Jan 6th!
 
I've never taken the founders' "rights bestowed by God" (paraphrasing) as meaning the God of the Old and New Testament, the God of Abraham etc.

I've always taken it to mean Natural Law. Meaning it's a moral compass we're born with, that exists outside of our circumstance/upbringing.

I can't imagine anyone that has actually studied the founding of our country, and the men that did it, thinking otherwise.
“Endowed by their Creator”. While many of them were deists, many were not.
 
Another day, another hare-brained argument from the smartest guy in the room.

Karl, how can it be possible that the mention of God-given rights appears in a document proclaiming political independence?

We clearly see two disparate concepts on one piece of paper. How can that be, Karl?
Again, I'm not talking about the constitutionality of the ruling. I'm talking specifically about the theory of 'natural rights' that are 'God-given' espoused by the majority of this thread(and of course conservatives generally). That our rights are inherent to our existence as humans given to us by God and are then infringed upon by governments. Basically the whole thread claims that to be true. Do you not?
 
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Is this your only response to being blatantly hypocritical? Just say that being a hypocrite doesn't bother you?
 
I've never taken the founders' "rights bestowed by God" (paraphrasing) as meaning the God of the Old and New Testament, the God of Abraham etc.

I've always taken it to mean Natural Law. Meaning it's a moral compass we're born with, that exists outside of our circumstance/upbringing.

I can't imagine anyone that has actually studied the founding of our country, and the men that did it, thinking otherwise.
Pretty much. But you obviously haven't discussed this topic with the thread. They will argue vehemently that they come directly from God. I can link posts from tons of the posters here arguing that exact thing and against what you're saying.
 
Abortion is also the law of the land and that doesn't keep you from advocating against that law. You shouldn't support a law that removes God given rights, whether it's legal or not is of no consequence to whether it's moral. You obviously aren't saying that every single thing that's legal is moral and everything that's illegal is immoral so you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Abortion is not the 'law of the land'.

This statement is absurd.
 
Again, I'm not talking about the constitutionality of the ruling. I'm talking specifically about the theory of 'natural rights' that are 'God-given' espoused by the majority of this thread(and of course conservatives generally). That our rights are inherent to our existence as humans given to us by God and are then infringed upon by governments. Basically the whole thread claims that to be true. Do you not?
So you have no answer. That’s because what you’re arguing is nonsense.

“We the People of the United States, (NOT THE WORLD) in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, (NOT THE WORLD’S POSTERITY) do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. (NOT THE WORLD).

How does one become “of the United States”? The 14th amendment says they must be naturalized.

As to whether inalienable rights apply to everybody, Karl, why don’t you ask a billion Hindus or a billion communists or a billion Muslims why not? Let us know what they say.
 
Ahhhh. Nixon, Watergate, Vietnam, The good ol' days. Better than they are now at least.
 
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Pretty much. But you obviously haven't discussed this topic with the thread. They will argue vehemently that they come directly from God. I can link posts from tons of the posters here arguing that exact thing and against what you're saying.
You act like it’s a shock, Karl.

Are there unalienable rights, and if there are, where do they come from?
 
So you have no answer. That’s because what you’re arguing is nonsense.

“We the People of the United States, (NOT THE WORLD) in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, (NOT THE WORLD’S POSTERITY) do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. (NOT THE WORLD).

How does one become “of the United States”? The 14th amendment says they must be naturalized.

As to whether inalienable rights apply to everybody, Karl, why don’t you ask a billion Hindus or a billion communists or a billion Muslims why not? Let us know what they say.
I'm asking the participants of the thread, you. One and all. Any representative of those groups in the thread here are welcome to respond. Would welcome the diversity.
 
Any representative of those groups in the thread here are welcome to respond. I'm asking the participants of the thread, you.
You already know the answer. It’s contained within the founding documents themselves.

To first have unalienable rights from
God, you have to accept that there is a God. Hard to swallow pill for sure.
 
I'm looking for it too. Nothing in the U.S.C.

Ps, it's not the law of the land if say, Mississippi can ban it. By definition.
So now you're arguing the Christian position is that all current laws are infallible and can't be changed? Good to know, will use that against y'all every chance available now... But seriously you aren't arguing that. Neither was @warrior-cat , and I was giving you the benefit of the doubt on that already so don't force me to be a dick about it.
 
It's hyperbole to compare this to 20th century European fascism/totalitarianism, but not by much.

I've tried to spread the truth forthe last 15 to 20 years, concerning the left. The "left" (I hate to say liberalism, because liberalism used to be a pretty good thing) as it is currently constituted, is the very DEFINITION of a fascist totalitarian government. It dismays me when friends of mine, that are life-long Democrats/Liberals refuse to acknowledge that which is as plain as day; The Democrat party, in trying to be everything to everyone, has splintered itself, and forsaken what was once it's hardcore base. Middle class, working Americans. Folks that probably don't have a college degree, but learned a trade, or work in a factory. Those folks have, been f***ed over (as have minorities, particularly black Americans) by the Democrats for 6 decades. Not only have the Democrats not HELPED them, they've made things WORSE. It only takes an hour of honest research at the library to confirm this.

The "Elite" in this country don't sit in corporate board rooms, They all reside in Washington DC and they don't give two f***s about the middle and lower class, unless it gets close to election time.
The funny thing about politics and political debate is that I agree with most everything you said but just replace Democrats with Democrats AND Republicans.
 
Another day comes to a close on the catpaw argument thread where, yet again, Karl has formulated an argument that seemed coherent in the afternoon, and yes, maybe even interesting- but, like proud Icarus, he flew too close to the blazing light of logic and his wings, like his far-fetched argument (the Founders meant for illegals to have the same rights as you and me!) have melted away.
 
Another day comes to a close on the catpaw argument thread where, yet again, Karl has formulated an argument that seemed coherent in the afternoon, and yes, maybe even interesting- but, like proud Icarus, he flew too close to the blazing light of logic and his wings, like his far-fetched argument (the Founders meant for illegals to have the same rights as you and me!) have melted away.
But you personally think our rights come from God, not the Founders. As you've said on this page. So why are those God-given rights only for Americans?
 
So now you're arguing the Christian position is that all current laws are infallible and can't be changed? Good to know, will use that against y'all every chance available now... But seriously you aren't arguing that. Neither was @warrior-cat , and I was giving you the benefit of the doubt on that already so don't force me to be a dick about it.

Huh? I asked you to quote the section of the USC that makes abortion the law of the land.

Nothing else.

Guess you can't.

Pretend to be a lawyer some more. Guess it works on some rubes.
 
Haha. Imagine the stupid intern tweeting this out.

First time in Biden's life he's been right. Our freedoms are on the ballot. Problem is. It's his demoncrat/marxist party that taking our freedoms from us. Trying to imprison his political opponent. Right out of the Putin/communist playbook. Sending the KGB I mean the FBI to harass parents that speak out at school board meetings. And trying to start something called the misinformation department that would censor our 1st amendment rights. 4 more years of this and we will be no better off that the people living in Russia.
 
But you personally think our rights come from God, not the Founders. As you've said on this page. So why are those God-given rights only for Americans?
This is my last post on it and I’m going to bed. You just answered it. “Americans”.

Nobody is stopping anyone else from creating a government based on the same concept. They are for everyone who accepts the concept.

But it’s not written anywhere that accepting this concept means dissolution of national sovereignty. That’s a farcical argument that's beneath any serious person.
 
This is my last post on it and I’m going to bed. You just answered it. “Americans”.

Nobody is stopping anyone else from creating a government based on the same concept. They are for everyone who accepts the concept.

But it’s not written anywhere that accepting this concept means dissolution of national sovereignty. That’s a farcical argument that's beneath any serious person.

This second paragraph. Precisely.

Not a thing from stopping any other sovereign country from copying our Constitution and Bill of Rights, verbatim.
 
This is my last post on it and I’m going to bed. You just answered it. “Americans”.

Nobody is stopping anyone else from creating a government based on the same concept. They are for everyone who accepts the concept.
You are. You're directly supporting, even advocating for, suppressing those rights of the people. The very rights you think were directly given by God to humans.
 
Dion, no bs deflecting, dancing dodging, etc.
You made a claim.
'Abortion is the law of the land'.

Back it up. Show your work. Make shinsplints proud of the education you learned from him.
I'd do that but at this point you've given completely contradictory instructions so the onus isn't on me to sort out what you actually want:
Of course, now Dion will pivot to argue what 'law of the land' means, amd historically what it entails, blah blah blah. For like 3 more pages.
 
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But you personally think our rights come from God, not the Founders. As you've said on this page. So why are those God-given rights only for Americans?

How much weed have you smoked tonight?

Because America was created on the basis of respecting those rights for their citizens. Other countries not so much.

But which rights are you talking about? I don’t recall abortion being mentioned in the Constitution. Surely this isn’t the destination you were trying to take us to all along? I thought this was about illegals owning guns.
 
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