POLITICAL THREAD

[DrH. Lecter]

And here we have the naked proposition of the right: brown people bad. 'If we were just more racist it would fix all our problems!' Have fun with that. I disagree.

Based on the lefts lists of the best places to live etc.... they always come back with lily white nations many of which are constitutionally Christian. What you are clearly saying is that if the US were whiter we'd have fewer problems. Diversity rather than assimilation is proven to fail.

 

[Lost In FL]

Opportunity to get put in a Covid camp. Can’t leave your house. Sounds awesome.

All expenses paid. Kind of like a staycation...maybe we should reconsider. Not

 

[Girthang]

Those damn white supremacists strike again.

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Aside from those being the most unlikely white supremacists, of course, they should be informed that they're doing a good job making white supremacy look like a thing.

Watching the videos as a person of color makes me wonder what we are doing, and, well, it's weird that after ignoring the data showing certain minorities are committing an inordinant percentage of total crime, they're going to keep increasing their percentage of crimes committed even while decreasing in population percentage. It's almost like ignoring the problem or excusing it only makes them more likely to commit more crimes. So weird

It seems like the "race" supremacists in this country have won the war. Almost like they knew they could before they even started. The white supremacists in the Democrat party succeeded in making all of the rest of their party racists and liberal simply by having one or two of their ideological ilk feign switching parties and claiming ALL of them did. Brilliant

 

[TheFrontRunner]

 

[Girthang]

Based on the lefts lists of the best places to live etc.... they always come back with lily white nations many of which are constitutionally Christian. What you are clearly saying is that if the US were whiter we'd have fewer problems. Diversity rather than assimilation is proven to fail.

Wow. From their own posts it really does seem like somehow "whites" are maybe not the problem...? As a person of mixed nationalistic descent, I find their racist and heavily biased data offensive.

 

[Lost In FL]

Was MM there too?

(Cue vhcat in 3, 2, ...)

 

[Girthang]

I'm wondering which of our resident Florida conservatives lives there?

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That house will be right-of-wayed soon as people flying over in private jets get offended

 

[Lost In FL]

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Maybe ... just maybe the "conspiracy theorists" were right!!

People that MANDATED this poison should be publicly executed.

Never forget how close we are to fascist dreams...

 

[Girthang]

Only in America can a certain ethnic group have their own TV networks, colleges, holidays, & clubs while celebrating their race for a whole month. But they then label everyone else racist.

If everyone didn't allow them to do it, then they wouldn't be racist. It's like dating that person from an abusive family or previous abusive relationship. They feel broken, but think YOU'RE THE PROBLEM because you somehow still care for them, while they hate you more and more for it as time goes on.

 

[hmt5000]

This is more of a simplified version of Umberto's list pasted earlier.

If you want you can take from this as well.
The 14 characteristics are:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
   Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
   
   
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
   Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
   
   
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
   The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
   
   
4. Supremacy of the Military
   Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
   
   
5. Rampant Sexism
   The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
   
   
6. Controlled Mass Media
   Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
   
   
7. Obsession with National Security
   Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
   
   
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
   Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
   
   
9. Corporate Power is Protected
   The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
   
   
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
    
    
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    
    
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    
    
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    
    
14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections

 

[screwduke1]

Former WH doctor for Trump, Obama blasts 'alarming' Biden health report: 'The cover-up needs to end'

Texas Rep. Ronny Jackson, a former White House physician, is calling for an end to the “cover-up” of President Biden's health, saying the details left out of his physical are "alarming."

www.foxnews.com

 

[Lost In FL]

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Oooohhhh... now i see why dion and the other lefties are all in with ukraine.


Makes perfect sense now.

 

[hmt5000]

You choose to tie the sentences together. I choose otherwise.

And since the large majority of elections these days involve drop boxes and/or mail-in ballots, he nearly universally doesn't care who wins even by your interpretation. Forty states have drop boxes. Forty-six have mail in. Go pound salt.

 

[JumperJack]

I like how on most of them you just went, 'Yeah, so what?'

I try to give you a lot of credit so please don’t lie. I gave concrete examples of who the fascists actually are.

 

[JumperJack]

And here we have the naked proposition of the right: brown people bad.

Projection.

 

[JumperJack]

What is going on? Why do U.S. taxpayers have to contribute to Ukrainians pensions? It is time to pull the plug on all of this.

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Can’t say we didn’t warn them.

 

[Dionysus444]

Because we don’t steal from people. Simple answer.

You're not stealing from anyone. They're dead.

 

[JumperJack]

Their economic opportunity works for any ethnicity. Claiming their success is due to their racial purity and not their public policy is pure racist sensationalist trash.

But what is their public policy?

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Those damn white supremacists strike again.

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Why do you think people believe they can just do this to others? Ask James.

 

[JumperJack]

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Holy shit man. They straight up lied to get that vaccine out.

 

[Lost In FL]

Why do you think people believe they can just do this to others? Ask James.

Because they know they will get away w it in dion's amerika. And the audacity to record it.

 

[Lost In FL]

You're not stealing from anyone. They're dead.

So ... if someone kills you right now, you are okay with someone taking your stuff. From your wife.

You definitely come from "privilege". Wow

 

[jameslee32]

In the age of false news: A journalist, a murder, and the pursuit of an unfinished investigation in India

Forbidden Stories pursued Gauri Lankesh’s unfinished work on false news and explored new leads in her murder case.

forbiddenstories.org

According to Joyojeet Pal, an associate professor at the University of Michigan who studies disinformation and politicians’ use of social media, IT cells are structured like a pyramid, with party leaders at the top and a network of influencers at the middle and bottom. The bottom layer plays a key role in creating and trending narratives, while also maintaining enough distance from the top to give leaders plausible deniability if the digital foot soldiers become too extreme. These low-level influencers also work to discredit those who “dissent” against the party line, such as independent journalists or activists.

“There is a certain kind of casting of aspersion on their character or motive based on who they are and what they have covered in the past, and the discrediting happens through that association,” he said. This causes a “chilling effect on journalists who then don’t want to engage online” anymore, he said.

 

[Dionysus444]

Gotta love the racists on the left using a "racist" culture as a socialist utopia while ignoring the non-utopian socialist and "racist" cultures as if they just don't exist. They also like to ignore that the reason that huge socialist countries seem to have some of their sht together is not because NOBODY works, but because EVERYBODY works or they get culled.

Sick leave, vacation time, maternity and parental leave, all are better in many European countries than here.

 

[Dionysus444]

But what is their public policy?

Providing a stable floor for those who fall through the cracks so they can stand on their own again.

 

[Dionysus444]

I try to give you a lot of credit so please don’t lie. I gave concrete examples of who the fascists actually are.

I appreciate your benefit of the doubt and am not trying to start a back-and-forth on this as it wasn't my list or posting. But on points 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, and 12 you basically agreed with the presented premise and just implied that a person would be crazy not to. 8 of 14 is a majority, nowhere did I lie.

 

[Marleydogg]

Sick leave, vacation time, maternity and parental leave, all are better in many European countries than here.

Ok. I've had it. Stop whinging, you pansy commie. Move. Move right now. Leave this hellhole of a country and tell us exactly which country you.find better and move to it. I don't want some list some WEF scum made, I want to know which country you think is so much better and I want you to pack up and move there now. Or not another word.

 

[Marleydogg]

Ok. I've had it. Stop whinging, you pansy commie. Move. Move right now. Leave this hellhole of a country and tell us exactly which country you.find better and move to it. I don't want some list some WEF scum made, I want to know which country you think is so much better and I want you to pack up and move there now. Or not another word.

Let me guess.. it'll be a majority white country. Typical liberal scum.

 

[Dionysus444]

Ok. I've had it. Stop whinging, you pansy commie. Move. Move right now. Leave this hellhole of a country and tell us exactly which country you.find better and move to it. I don't want some list some WEF scum made, I want to know which country you think is so much better and I want you to pack up and move there now. Or not another word.

I think it's more honorable to stay and try to improve my country. Isn't that what y'all're always saying immigrants at our southern border should do?

 

[Marleydogg]

I think it's more honorable to stay and try to improve my country. Isn't that what y'all're always saying immigrants at our southern border should do?

Only problem is, any idea for what you think is improvement is fundamentally, and historically proven over and over again, is much much worse.

How many times do we have to tell you this? Historian, my ass.

And I agree with you about corporate greed and tax loopholes and a lot of that type stuff, as most conservs here do.

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

I think it's more honorable to stay and try to improve my country. Isn't that what y'all're always saying immigrants at our southern border should do?

Ok then, which current existing country would you choose as your model for the new United States Utopia of Dion? You can only pick one.

 

[Dionysus444]

Ok then, which current existing country would you choose as your model for the new United States Utopia of Dion? You can only pick one.

We have to create it. That's why it's the future and not the present.

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

We have to create it. That's why it's the future and not the present.

I agree with the concept that we should always be striving to improve upon what we have. But the point of this discussion was that this country provides the best opportunity for people of all races, genders, etc...

You have been doing a shit ton of dancing around...but you have yet to come up with one single country that is better.

So stop dancing and answer the question. Or STFU about it.

Again, strive to improve the country...I’m on board. Shitting all over this country like it’s the worst is nothing but commie BS.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

You're not stealing from anyone. They're dead.

What a thieve’s mentality. Deny the power to bequeath. That is not your property. Yet, you think it somehow should be. Envy and greed. Such a hypocrisy.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Because they know they will get away w it in dion's amerika. And the audacity to record it.

The worst part is this, the lack of character that does impulse ugly things just because they believe they can. When morality is a sliding scale we see this kind of evil manifest.

 

[Dionysus444]

I agree with the concept that we should always be striving to improve upon what we have. But the point of this discussion was that this country provides the best opportunity for people of all races, genders, etc...

You have been doing a shit ton of dancing around...but you have yet to come up with one single country that is better.

So stop dancing and answer the question. Or STFU about it.

Again, strive to improve the country...I’m on board. Shitting all over this country like it’s the worst is nothing but commie BS.

No, the point of this discussion was me taking issue with this statement:

The US provides the most equal "opportunity" humanity can provide.

Which is nonsense. Humanity has not peaked in 2023 America. We can and will do better.

America has many things that are great. It also has many things that aren't so great. The best way to improve is to be clear-eyed in that analysis and not let patriotism or nationalism blind us.

 

[Lost In FL]

No, the point of this discussion was me taking issue with this statement:

Which is nonsense. Humanity has not peaked in 2023 America. We can and will do better.

America has many things that are great. It also has many things that aren't so great. The best way to improve is to be clear-eyed in that analysis and not let patriotism or nationalism blind us.

You are being intellectually dishonest, again. I didnt say a dam thing about the future. None of us know that. I had always hoped America would continue to be the beacon of freedom throughout the world. And i was truly hopeful when i saw the berlin wall come down and the USSR get destroyed. I was hopeful. Sadly, there are now to many selfish haters that hate the thing that gave them freedom and opportunity in the first place. I am convinced Our best days are behind us, just like i was convinced the jabs were fraudulent. And NO COUNTRY provides freedom and liberty anymore. Too many fools playing right into the WEFs, and Molochs, hands. Congrats, you did it, Joe.

Name another country.

 

[Lost In FL]

We have to create it. That's why it's the future and not the present.

So, it doesnt exist.

IN OTHER WORDS, no country is better than the US.

Thanks. Most of us already knew that.

 

[BarnabusStinson]

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

No, the point of this discussion was me taking issue with this statement:

Which is nonsense. Humanity has not peaked in 2023 America. We can and will do better.

America has many things that are great. It also has many things that aren't so great. The best way to improve is to be clear-eyed in that analysis and not let patriotism or nationalism blind us.

I agree 100% that humanity has not peaked in 2023. I have no doubt that we can and will do better. In fact, we can and will do better than any other country on the face of the Earth. Because that’s what we have always done.

Apparently we disagree on the sentiment of Lost In FL’s statement. So humor me for a moment & pretend that he meant the following:

The US provides the most “opportunity” that the world can provide. That there is no other country currently providing more opportunities to people of color, the LGBTQRSTUV(reserved for letters to be named later) community, etc...

I know that’s what he meant. Everyone reading this thread knows that’s what he meant. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are being truthful & somehow didn’t pick up on his sentiment.

So now that we are on the same page with what he actually meant...
Name the country.