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Why not? Those fckers are all about power and power trips. Underage boys/girls getting fcked by middle aged/old wealthy assholes...hmmm. Doesn't seem like much a stretch to me.
Hopefully just rumors. Not a good choice
and from CBS no less. He'll be gone by tomorrow......
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/comment...ness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/
Commentary: The unbearable smugness of the press
The mood in the Washington press corps is bleak, and deservedly so.
It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that, with a few exceptions, we were all tacitly or explicitly #WithHer, which has led to a certain anguish in the face of Donald Trump’s victory. More than that and more importantly, we also missed the story, after having spent months mocking the people who had a better sense of what was going on.
This is all symptomatic of modern journalism’s great moral and intellectual failing: its unbearable smugness. Had Hillary Clinton won, there’s be a winking “we did it” feeling in the press, a sense that we were brave and called Trump a liar and saved the republic.
So much for that. The audience for our glib analysis and contempt for much of the electorate, it turned out, was rather limited. This was particularly true when it came to voters, the ones who turned out by the millions to deliver not only a rebuke to the political system but also the people who cover it. Trump knew what he was doingwhen he invited his crowds to jeer and hiss the reporters covering him. They hate us, and have for some time.
And can you blame them? Journalists love mocking Trump supporters. We insult their appearances. We dismiss them as racists and sexists. We emote on Twitter about how this or that comment or policy makes us feel one way or the other, and yet we reject their feelings as invalid.
It’s a profound failure of empathy in the service of endless posturing. There’s been some sympathy from the press, sure: the dispatches from “heroin country” that read like reports from colonial administrators checking in on the natives. But much of that starts from the assumption that Trump voters are backward, and that it’s our duty to catalogue and ultimately reverse that backwardness. What can we do to get these people to stop worshiping their false god and accept our gospel?
We diagnose them as racists in the way Dark Age clerics confused medical problems with demonic possession. Journalists, at our worst, see ourselves as a priestly caste. We believe we not only have access to the indisputable facts, but also a greater truth, a system of beliefs divined from an advanced understanding of justice.
You’d think that Trump’s victory – the one we all discounted too far in advance – would lead to a certain newfound humility in the political press. But of course that’s not how it works. To us, speaking broadly, our diagnosis was still basically correct. The demons were just stronger than we realized.
This is all a “whitelash,” you see. Trump voters are racist and sexist, so there must be more racists and sexists than we realized. Tuesday night’s outcome was not a logic-driven rejection of a deeply flawed candidate named Clinton; no, it was a primal scream against fairness, equality, and progress. Let the new tantrums commence!
That’s the fantasy, the idea that if we mock them enough, call them racist enough, they’ll eventually shut up and get in line. It’s similar to how media Twitter works, a system where people who dissent from the proper framing of a story are attacked by mobs of smugly incredulous pundits. Journalists exist primarily in a world where people can get shouted down and disappear, which informs our attitudes toward all disagreement.
Journalists increasingly don’t even believe in the possibility of reasoned disagreement, and as such ascribe cynical motives to those who think about things a different way. We see this in the ongoing veneration of “facts,” the ones peddled by explainer websites and data journalists who believe themselves to be curiously post-ideological.
That the explainers and data journalists so frequently get things hilariously wrong never invites the soul-searching you’d think it would. Instead, it all just somehow leads us to more smugness, more meanness, more certainty from the reporters and pundits. Faced with defeat, we retreat further into our bubble, assumptions left unchecked. No, it’s the voters who are wrong.
As a direct result, we get it wrong with greater frequency. Out on the road, we forget to ask the right questions. We can’t even imagine the right question. We go into assignments too certain that what we find will serve to justify our biases. The public’s estimation of the press declines even further -- fewer than one-in-three Americans trust the press, per Gallup -- which starts the cycle anew.
There’s a place for opinionated journalism; in fact, it’s vital. But our causal, profession-wide smugness and protestations of superiority are making us unable to do it well.
Our theme now should be humility. We must become more impartial, not less so. We have to abandon our easy culture of tantrums and recrimination. We have to stop writing these know-it-all, 140-character sermons on social media and admit that, as a class, journalists have a shamefully limited understanding of the country we cover.
What’s worse, we don’t make much of an effort to really understand, and with too few exceptions, treat the economic grievances of Middle America like they’re some sort of punchline. Sometimes quite literally so, such as when reporters tweet out a photo of racist-looking Trump supporters and jokingly suggest that they must be upset about free trade or low wages.
We have to fix this, and the broken reasoning behind it. There’s a fleeting fun to gang-ups and groupthink. But it’s not worth what we are losing in the process.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/comment...ness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/
Commentary: The unbearable smugness of the press
The mood in the Washington press corps is bleak, and deservedly so.
It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone that, with a few exceptions, we were all tacitly or explicitly #WithHer, which has led to a certain anguish in the face of Donald Trump’s victory. More than that and more importantly, we also missed the story, after having spent months mocking the people who had a better sense of what was going on.
This is all symptomatic of modern journalism’s great moral and intellectual failing: its unbearable smugness. Had Hillary Clinton won, there’s be a winking “we did it” feeling in the press, a sense that we were brave and called Trump a liar and saved the republic.
So much for that. The audience for our glib analysis and contempt for much of the electorate, it turned out, was rather limited. This was particularly true when it came to voters, the ones who turned out by the millions to deliver not only a rebuke to the political system but also the people who cover it. Trump knew what he was doingwhen he invited his crowds to jeer and hiss the reporters covering him. They hate us, and have for some time.
And can you blame them? Journalists love mocking Trump supporters. We insult their appearances. We dismiss them as racists and sexists. We emote on Twitter about how this or that comment or policy makes us feel one way or the other, and yet we reject their feelings as invalid.
It’s a profound failure of empathy in the service of endless posturing. There’s been some sympathy from the press, sure: the dispatches from “heroin country” that read like reports from colonial administrators checking in on the natives. But much of that starts from the assumption that Trump voters are backward, and that it’s our duty to catalogue and ultimately reverse that backwardness. What can we do to get these people to stop worshiping their false god and accept our gospel?
We diagnose them as racists in the way Dark Age clerics confused medical problems with demonic possession. Journalists, at our worst, see ourselves as a priestly caste. We believe we not only have access to the indisputable facts, but also a greater truth, a system of beliefs divined from an advanced understanding of justice.
You’d think that Trump’s victory – the one we all discounted too far in advance – would lead to a certain newfound humility in the political press. But of course that’s not how it works. To us, speaking broadly, our diagnosis was still basically correct. The demons were just stronger than we realized.
This is all a “whitelash,” you see. Trump voters are racist and sexist, so there must be more racists and sexists than we realized. Tuesday night’s outcome was not a logic-driven rejection of a deeply flawed candidate named Clinton; no, it was a primal scream against fairness, equality, and progress. Let the new tantrums commence!
That’s the fantasy, the idea that if we mock them enough, call them racist enough, they’ll eventually shut up and get in line. It’s similar to how media Twitter works, a system where people who dissent from the proper framing of a story are attacked by mobs of smugly incredulous pundits. Journalists exist primarily in a world where people can get shouted down and disappear, which informs our attitudes toward all disagreement.
Journalists increasingly don’t even believe in the possibility of reasoned disagreement, and as such ascribe cynical motives to those who think about things a different way. We see this in the ongoing veneration of “facts,” the ones peddled by explainer websites and data journalists who believe themselves to be curiously post-ideological.
That the explainers and data journalists so frequently get things hilariously wrong never invites the soul-searching you’d think it would. Instead, it all just somehow leads us to more smugness, more meanness, more certainty from the reporters and pundits. Faced with defeat, we retreat further into our bubble, assumptions left unchecked. No, it’s the voters who are wrong.
As a direct result, we get it wrong with greater frequency. Out on the road, we forget to ask the right questions. We can’t even imagine the right question. We go into assignments too certain that what we find will serve to justify our biases. The public’s estimation of the press declines even further -- fewer than one-in-three Americans trust the press, per Gallup -- which starts the cycle anew.
There’s a place for opinionated journalism; in fact, it’s vital. But our causal, profession-wide smugness and protestations of superiority are making us unable to do it well.
Our theme now should be humility. We must become more impartial, not less so. We have to abandon our easy culture of tantrums and recrimination. We have to stop writing these know-it-all, 140-character sermons on social media and admit that, as a class, journalists have a shamefully limited understanding of the country we cover.
What’s worse, we don’t make much of an effort to really understand, and with too few exceptions, treat the economic grievances of Middle America like they’re some sort of punchline. Sometimes quite literally so, such as when reporters tweet out a photo of racist-looking Trump supporters and jokingly suggest that they must be upset about free trade or low wages.
We have to fix this, and the broken reasoning behind it. There’s a fleeting fun to gang-ups and groupthink. But it’s not worth what we are losing in the process.
I'm hoping all these names are floating around purely bc reporters (and Trump) hadn't really thought about any of this until yesterday.
Hopefully he'll reach out and find people nobody's thinking of. Fresh blood, ya know? If it ends up just being the people who stuck by him during the campaign, it'll look like just another version of Washington croneyism.
Quite simple really. They know they won't get looked at by guys unless they scream and act like a hog in heat. It gives them some inner satisfaction.
I hope/think it's just that. I think he'll be more sensitive. Surely. But I also think Rudy and Christie will have some role. They were behind him when support was basically zero.
Hopefully he'll find some new blood to mix with some old heads, because as an outsider he'll need some real help early on.
As if it would matter. Georgie boy is worth tens of billions, good for 7th richest man in America, last I checked.
He'll be just fine and he'll continue to hire "protesters" and "dissidents" to anger protectionists, libertarians, conservatives, and patriots in the hopes of driving up support for diversity, integration, immigration, assimilation, and socialism.
Too many disgusting 'ions and 'isms.
You're unfortunately just scratching the surface of this, fam.
No doubt about that. This goes all the way to the Saudis.
That same look you give when a teacher makes you shake hands right after you beat the piss out of each other.
Suddenly I feel like going out & buying a pair of New Balance.
Seeing Trump in Washington today scoping out how he is going to turn Obama's legacy and D.C. upside down may be the most rewarding thing to date.
Had to be in OTR tonight. Even though very well gentrified, very glad that Tensing verdict didn't come down.
Didn't wan't to be the white yuppie in a suit getting his car in the middle of a riot.
Didn't wan't to be the white yuppie in a suit getting his car in the middle of a riot.
Makes the entire eight years of BS worth it.
Seriously, all of the crap Obama did and his lapdog media and dealing with his racial BS and divisiveness, dealing with BLM and whiny SJWs...Tuesday night made all of it worth it.
Basically had to put up with his crap for eight years to get control of the presidency, the house and the senate.
Thanks, bro
I've always jogged in NB... Don't know if it's still the case, but they used to be all 100% made in USA
UL cheerleader suspended for pro Trump tweets. And for telling whiney friend to stfu about racism.
I guess if your white you aren't entitled to an opinion.
http://www.barstoolsports.com/barst...uspended-for-pro-trump-election-night-tweets/
I guess if your white you aren't entitled to an opinion.
http://www.barstoolsports.com/barst...uspended-for-pro-trump-election-night-tweets/
It's almost as if they were funded by a single source who has printed them to create divisions amongst the American populace...
Some styles and models still are. I usually purchase one US-made pair every year and mix with another style made overseas.
Never owned a pair in my life, but that'll probably change
Isn't the guy who tweeted that, Foval, the same guy from the Veritas tapes?
It's almost as if they were funded by a single source who has printed them to create divisions amongst the American populace...
It's almost as if they were funded by a single source who has printed them to create divisions amongst the American populace...
Is pussy grabs back supposed to intimidate me? Because it does quite the opposite.
I still think their best bet is Dean. They need a true-blue liberal who's also experienced without yet being on death's doorstep.
Funniest thing about these protests is these people actually believe their 5-10k people out in the streets, acting like morons, is a revolution. They fail to realize the real revolution passed them by. It happened Tuesday night, peacefully, at the ballot box.
Who would have thought the TNT NBA pregame guys would be the most reasonable Ds you'd hear speak after the election.
Bunch of dumb jocks who just don't understand how racist we are I guess.
Bunch of dumb jocks who just don't understand how racist we are I guess.
Because for the last 8 years they have been the spoiled kid that has gotten it's way. Hillary was going to be their shiny new toy to play with, but after a nasty divorce the new daddy is putting his foot down and told them no. Now, they are sitting in the middle of the aisle throwing a temper tantrum.
And yes, Kellyanne Conway is a goddam all star.
I'd vote for her for POTUS tomorrow. if you can get f*cking Donald Trump in the White House, no reason you can't get $20 trillion of debt of the backs of my kids and grandkids.
I'd vote for her for POTUS tomorrow. if you can get f*cking Donald Trump in the White House, no reason you can't get $20 trillion of debt of the backs of my kids and grandkids.
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