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Libs will never see the irony or hypocrisy, as they know they are so correct, the end justifies all means. A certain person from Austria believed the same thing…
 
No, that's not what I said.

The comparison is the assassination with January 6th. Both were attacks on America.

The 2020 riots and the Birmingham riots were a result of malevolent behavior, see murder of George Floyd for the former and the night bombings for the latter.

I also agree anyone who committed a crime in said 2020 riots should face penalties for doing so just like those on Jan 6.

I'm just using a different example in history to show how dumb the line of thinking is to discount Jan 6 and go nuts over 2020.

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Also, never attempted to? You mean the people in the Capitol with zip ties? The people chanting "Hang Mike Pence" and the makeshift noose in the crowd?

The intention was there.

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“intention is there”

look everybody it’s the Amazing Kreskin! Mind reader of everyone on the planet. Azzurizicat knows your intentions before you do!
 
You understand that both can be bad right?

It's like when January 6th happened and y'all said "What about the cities that burnt down?"

Both are bad.
And you realize the issue is how the MSM, social media and government members pick and choose which things are just kind of bad, really bad or justified, right?

Take your example. The reason people were saying “what about the cities that burnt down?” was because the media painted January 6th to be worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11 after justifying riots for the better part of a year. Yes, you can find a few links where government officials would say the words, “I condemn the riots” but in the same breath they’d justify what was happening, call for protests to continue and post links to help bail the arrested rioters out of jail.

Then let’s look at Ukraine, Hunter’s laptop and the social media’s handling of that situation. According to the MSM Trump withheld money for defense. That was everywhere. But Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion dollars unless Ukraine fired a prosecutor going after his peach of a kid.



Guess what? Even with video evidence the internet claims this is a conspiracy theory. Type in “Biden threatens to withhold money from Ukraine”. The words “Biden/Ukraine conspiracy theory” come up. No one in the media cared when Biden did this and ignored it.

During the election process you couldn’t even post about Hunter’s laptop. You either had your post removed, were banned or suspended for it. The MSM didn’t discuss it until after the election was over.

So yes both things can be bad, but the media, social media and politicians not only get to determine the framing of just how bad something is, but they also get to control how much you hear about it… if at all… and that is the biggest problem.
 
And you realize the issue is how the MSM, social media and government members pick and choose which things are just kind of bad, really bad or justified, right?

Take your example. The reason people were saying “what about the cities that burnt down?” was because the media painted January 6th to be worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11 after justifying riots for the better part of a year. Yes, you can find a few links where government officials would say the words, “I condemn the riots” but in the same breath they’d justify what was happening, call for protests to continue and post links to help bail the arrested rioters out of jail.

Then let’s look at Ukraine, Hunter’s laptop and the social media’s handling of that situation. According to the MSM Trump withheld money for defense. That was everywhere. But Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion dollars unless Ukraine fired a prosecutor going after his peach of a kid.



Guess what? Even with video evidence the internet claims this is a conspiracy theory. Type in “Biden threatens to withhold money from Ukraine”. The words “Biden/Ukraine conspiracy theory” come up. No one in the media cared when Biden did this and ignored it.

During the election process you couldn’t even post about Hunter’s laptop. You either had your post removed, were banned or suspended for it. The MSM didn’t discuss it until after the election was over.

So yes both things can be bad, but the media, social media and politicians not only get to determine the framing of just how bad something is, but they also get to control how much you hear about it… if at all… and that is the biggest problem.

man, you’re just a troll pffft
 
Sam. There are excerpts from his daughters diary that have been made public. I don’t think she directly stated he molested her, but the shower stuff is in there. She is or was a messed up individual. It’s open to interpretation on why. But the FBI was concerned enough about the contents of the diary to raid PV to retrieve it.
Lol... you can literally read the entire diary at this link.


There's 0% it was written by anyone other than Ashley Biden. 0%.
 
If he could have ever learned to STFU for five minutes and to not just be the President of the Red States of America 24/7....we wouldn't have Jelly brain Joe today.
What is Biden doing to help Red States? seems he's the President of the Blue States of America. His Infrastructure bill strongly favors blue states, He's shipping illegals overnight into red states. He denied FEMA relief to an area in Florida hit by tornados. It's been war on red states since the day he took office.
 
Some of us never left. Trump is just the culmination of decades of rightwing propaganda being pumped into our communities. Before everyone jumps me there is lots of liberal media and it sucks too. But the emotional appeals made to the right and left wings are different and the right traffics in pure hate. Of everyone and everything that can be perceived as an enemy. The left absolutely has its problems too. But there's a direct line from Nixon's Southern Strategy through Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Tucker Carlson to Trump. And that line is the power of hate.
This is rediculous. Remember those politicians screaming about getting into people's faces who disagree with them? Remember those politicians who bailed out criminals who burned, looted and even murdered? You really are short of the facts on this one, champ.
 
What is Biden doing to help Red States? seems he's the President of the Blue States of America. His Infrastructure bill strongly favors blue states, He's shipping illegals overnight into red states. He denied FEMA relief to an area in Florida hit by tornados. It's been war on red states since the day he took office.
He also denied antibodies to FL. Because of politics.
 
Not really.
To be honest, until he knew exactly how that money was going to be used, I would have withheld it too. Too many Democrat led states have their priorities all screwed up when it came to Covid relief. They felt the need to govern and push all of their agendas through lens of social justice or through some tyrannical means espoused by the globalists.
 
This is rediculous. Remember those politicians screaming about getting into people's faces who disagree with them? Remember those politicians who bailed out criminals who burned, looted and even murdered? You really are short of the facts on this one, champ.

They know they are.

They just twist and distort, sow discord and confusion so the truth isn't as easily known.

 
You're just a troll. Saying people hate America just because they don't share the same ideals is about as un-American as you can get.
The point is your side won't talk policies or agendas. The blind hatred for the evil, "monster", dictator, Nazi, Trump is all you all have. or "muh..Jan.6th". None of you can discuss how his policies and the things he put in place hurt you, harmed our way of life in America, or how they made our lives worse off. You all have this blind hatred fostered into your brain by the Liberal media, and all of the doomsday, everything is racist, or Jim Crow 2.0 or everything is a "threat to our democracy" BS being spewed 24/7 about Trump with Zero basis in fact to back up those claims.

So if you want to have a legitimate discussion on "ideals" then put the blind hatred for Trump aside and talk policies. we can talk about the policies and agenda items we want to see without mentioning Trump. We honestly don't care who leads the charge on the republican side as long as they stand by those ideals. Right now, Trump just happens to be the face of that platform. I'd like to see somebody like DeSantis replace him, but it's looking like that's not going to happen just yet. Our platform is a pretty simple one. Yours isn't. So lay your "ideals" out there without mentioning a politicians name and lets see if we can find some common ground.
 
Agree about talking too much sometimes and I think a lot of his people tried telling him unsuccessfully. If he could have just stayed away like Biden does they would have nothing to say about him because all he ever did was fix things and make things better. If you are referring to his bashing blue state governors and the like, have to admit, those are some of the crappiest states and a lot of good people in those states deserve better. Wanting to get better leaders in the crappiest states is what any decent person would want for the people. I don't think he treated any state different when trying to help them beat covid. He attacked the bad leaders in those states. Not the innocent people that just want to live a good life.
Trump may have talked like he thought Blue States didn't deserve the help but when they asked for it, He stepped up and provided it. Sending the Hospital Ship to New York (that didn't even get used) is a good example. he did that all while the Democrat Governor of NY was actively killing the elderly by placing Covid Positive patients in Nursing Homes.
 
The point is your side won't talk policies or agendas. The blind hatred for the evil, "monster", dictator, Nazi, Trump is all you all have. or "muh..Jan.6th". None of you can discuss how his policies and the things he put in place hurt you, harmed our way of life in America, or how they made our lives worse off. You all have this blind hatred fostered into your brain by the Liberal media, and all of the doomsday, everything is racist, or Jim Crow 2.0 or everything is a "threat to our democracy" BS being spewed 24/7 about Trump with Zero basis in fact to back up those claims.

So if you want to have a legitimate discussion on "ideals" then put the blind hatred for Trump aside and talk policies. we can talk about the policies and agenda items we want to see without mentioning Trump. We honestly don't care who leads the charge on the republican side as long as they stand by those ideals. Right now, Trump just happens to be the face of that platform. I'd like to see somebody like DeSantis replace him, but it's looking like that's not going to happen just yet. Our platform is a pretty simple one. Yours isn't. So lay your "ideals" out there without mentioning a politicians name and lets see if we can find some common ground.

It's a mistake to think you can reason with these people, that you can have some good faith dialogue reaching some common ground.

You conservatives, no offense, are naive in that respect. These aren't your grandad's emocrats.
 
You're just a troll. Saying people hate America just because they don't share the same ideals is about as un-American as you can get.
Gassy is not a troll, "DUKEBLU." You are. And you just confirmed his point - that you have the WRONG ideals when it comes to America. Your ideals would destroy our culture which has transformed the world and made it a better place. You and your fellow travelers want to see America's decline.
 
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Sure it's dumb to say Biden "created" these jobs as they were jobs that were already lost but when the right used the same argument in 2020 it was fine. In the article above Trump is touting the "largest monthly jobs gain in the history of our country."

It's fair for him to do that but not the other side?

You say "shockingly poor ability to reason them through" and if you really mean this that means you're critiquing Trump as well.

Why?



Prior to the Covid crash Trumps administration created around 6,900,000 jobs

22 million jobs were lost between March and April 2020. 22 million minus 7 million (rounded up 6.9m) is a deficit of 15 million jobs

By the time Trump touted those June numbers around 7.1m jobs had returned meaning there was still a deficit of 7.9 million jobs, meaning those jobs he was taking credit for weren't actual jobs created during his administration.

Again using your logic that would mean Trump has a "shockingly poor ability to reason them through"


Worst of all Trump touted those June 2020 numbers and yet the unemployment rate at the time was 10.2%, a number higher than the first year peak under Obama. Unemployment levels didn't reach first-year Trump levels until Fall 2021.



Now we know these job losses in 2020 are attributed to the mini-recession we had due to Covid and the lockdowns but if Trump can tout and tout and tout then the same rationale has to apply to the other side.
Nowhere in that article did it state that he "Created" jobs. Thats the line the Biden Administration likes to use. that article stated "added" as in recovered. and used it in the context of the economy rebounding. "Creating" jobs implies that new jobs were "Created" over and above the lost jobs. plus they didn't fudge the unemployment numbers. 11.1% is a bad number no matter how you slice it. There is no way on this planet it's at the 3.9% or whatever they say it is now.

How can that be when there are over 11 million job openings available in this country? I work for a large restaurant franchisee, we can't hardly fill positions in the restaurants. Nobody wants to work now, why is that? NOBODY is paying the federal minimum wage anymore, wages have increased due to the demand. It's not a case of having more jobs than people available anymore. Just about every industry or business across the board is scrambling for workers. There are just a great number of people who have taken themselves out of the equation for whatever reasons and aren't being factored into the numbers anymore. Pre-Covid almost nobody had trouble staffing their businesses, we certainly didn't.
 
Like this?


Sure it's dumb to say Biden "created" these jobs as they were jobs that were already lost but when the right used the same argument in 2020 it was fine. In the article above Trump is touting the "largest monthly jobs gain in the history of our country."

It's fair for him to do that but not the other side?

You say "shockingly poor ability to reason them through" and if you really mean this that means you're critiquing Trump as well.

Why?



Prior to the Covid crash Trumps administration created around 6,900,000 jobs

22 million jobs were lost between March and April 2020. 22 million minus 7 million (rounded up 6.9m) is a deficit of 15 million jobs

By the time Trump touted those June numbers around 7.1m jobs had returned meaning there was still a deficit of 7.9 million jobs, meaning those jobs he was taking credit for weren't actual jobs created during his administration.

Again using your logic that would mean Trump has a "shockingly poor ability to reason them through"


Worst of all Trump touted those June 2020 numbers and yet the unemployment rate at the time was 10.2%, a number higher than the first year peak under Obama. Unemployment levels didn't reach first-year Trump levels until Fall 2021.



Now we know these job losses in 2020 are attributed to the mini-recession we had due to Covid and the lockdowns but if Trump can tout and tout and tout then the same rationale has to apply to the other side.
You can't have it both ways. After the lockdowns had taken their toll, your buddies in the Democrat party and the media (but I repeat myself) were bashing Trump for the economy, which had been ARTIFICIALLY recessed. So Trump was using their OWN ARGUMENTS to show that he had brought things back to normal. But your boys in the blue states would have none of it. Now that Biden's in control, they want to play that same game and claim a 'recovery.' You guys always operate on double standards.
 
But you trust the guy that calls Putin a genius and withheld security $$$ from Ukraine. Gotcha.
Joe Biden's own words on video...What's this sound like to you?

"And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.

So they said they had — they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to — or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said — I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."
 
Everything is Trump for you. Trump did this. Trup did that. Trump, Trump Trump. YOu're in serious trouble man. It's very unhealthy.

It doesn’t matter what you say, man. They are not changing their minds. And no, there isn’t some event that will make them be like, “Okay, they were right-Trump went too far this time.” He’s praising a Russian dictator that’s about to start World War 3. At what point do people realize Trump is a bad person and hurts America?
We've stated many times on here about the times we thought Trump "went too far". But that also works both ways. at what point will you ever view him with a fair and rational lens and say "well yeah, maybe that was a good policy", or "maybe Trump did something right there". You're leftist media found a way to demonize or spin every Trump move regardless of how positive it was. The running joke was always that Trump could have found a cure for cancer and the media would post headlines like "How curing cancer is bad for our economy".
 
We've stated many times on here about the times we thought Trump "went too far". But that also works both ways. at what point will you ever view him with a fair and rational lens and say "well yeah, maybe that was a good policy", or "maybe Trump did something right there". You're leftist media found a way to demonize or spin every Trump move regardless of how positive it was. The running joke was always that Trump could have found a cure for cancer and the media would post headlines like "How curing cancer is bad for our economy".
I agree that everything Trump did wasn't bad. I was glad to see him elected and had high hopes for him.
For me though, the bad was so bad it just outweighed the good. Refusing to concede the election and commit to a peaceful transition of power was more in line with a dictatorship than a democracy.
I just pray we have a choice other than Biden and Trump in 2024....assuming Putin doesn't nuke us all before then.
 
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So In your mind comparing right wing rioters and left wing rioters is equivalent to comparing an assassin to a civil rights uprising?

You’re screwed in the head…

Jan 6th killed no one and never attempted to. The people who broke the law should be punished in accordance with the law, which is not happening as due process has been denied. The left wing rioters broke the law and should be punished in accordance with the law, which is also not happening because they weren’t punished at all. You and yours are walking hypocrisy.
Well you're wrong on one point. there was one person killed. An unarmed Ashley Babbit, as she was trying to escape the situation. She was gunned down by a Capitol Police officer. That officer faced zero accountability for his actions. This same officer was one who left his firearm in a restroom stall at one point.
 
No, that's not what I said.

The comparison is the assassination with January 6th. Both were attacks on America.

The 2020 riots and the Birmingham riots were a result of malevolent behavior, see murder of George Floyd for the former and the night bombings for the latter.

I also agree anyone who committed a crime in said 2020 riots should face penalties for doing so just like those on Jan 6.

I'm just using a different example in history to show how dumb the line of thinking is to discount Jan 6 and go nuts over 2020.

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Also, never attempted to? You mean the people in the Capitol with zip ties? The people chanting "Hang Mike Pence" and the makeshift noose in the crowd?

The intention was there.
You realize the zip ties were something somebody picked up off of a table in the capitol, likely left there by one of the Capitol Police officers but gotten to by one of the people who got inside.

An you Honestly believe in your heart of hearts that a group of unarmed individuals were capable of breaching the Capitol Police and Secret Service to get to Mike Pence and thusly carry him outside to actually publicly hang him from a makeshift noose? The premise of that alone is laughable and absurd on every surface. The fact you'll apply literal interpretations of things people chant in a protest is laughable as well. Did you think when Kathy Griffin held up a fake bloody trump head, that she literally had sights on breaching security and beheading Trump? do you know how many examples we can provide of people in the media and even some democrat politicians openly opining for the assassination of Trump during his presidency?
 
Some of us never left. Trump is just the culmination of decades of rightwing propaganda being pumped into our communities. Before everyone jumps me there is lots of liberal media and it sucks too. But the emotional appeals made to the right and left wings are different and the right traffics in pure hate. Of everyone and everything that can be perceived as an enemy. The left absolutely has its problems too. But there's a direct line from Nixon's Southern Strategy through Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Tucker Carlson to Trump. And that line is the power of hate.
Show me some examples of this "rightwing propoganda being pumped into our communities" I'm curious to see what you think that is? Show me the examples of the right trafficking in "pure hate". Then show me what liberal democrats are actively doing to improve the communities they've been governing for decades.
 
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You can't have it both ways. After the lockdowns had taken their toll, your buddies in the Democrat party and the media (but I repeat myself) were bashing Trump for the economy, which had been ARTIFICIALLY recessed. So Trump was using their OWN ARGUMENTS to show that he had brought things back to normal. But your boys in the blue states would have none of it. Now that Biden's in control, they want to play that same game and claim a 'recovery.' You guys always operate on double standards.
I don't even think Biden wants to claim a "recovery" he wants to take credit for "creating" jobs. as if they were new jobs over and above.
 
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