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How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
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My gosh, you have a severe case of TDS. You said you would never bring up Trump, but would only respond to others discussing him. You can’t help yourself, bless your heart.
You're right. Just too juicy to resist & I forgot. I'll try to behave but probably can only last so long. And I also brought earlier up how he's barely ahead of Biden in polling. It's hard to be that weak against Biden.
 
He hates democracy just like his buddies Putin and Kim Jong Un.
Disgusting to praise the dictator of Russia for potentially the most aggressive military move since World War 2.
Also disgusting for Republicans to be attacking Biden right now instead of Putin. That is exactly what he wants.
You and @Platinumdrgn ever bother to go further than just listen to clips

 
No you wouldn't. You'd find some way to explain it away. The existence of God is a problem for you because that means you're accountable for the way you live your life, and you can't have that. So you deny God's existence and "poof" you don't have to account for your behavior. But in the fullness of time you will meet God and you will have to give an account. I don't envy you that encounter.

By the way, you're doing the 'evidence' thing wrong. You believe that absence of evidence equals evidence of absence. The fact is, you have a harder time denying the existence of God because it's like trying to prove that there is no gold in China. In order for you to claim there is no God, you must have complete knowledge of every atom of the universe, otherwise you are simply guessing. And guessing means you admit you are ignoring all the evidence around you. Until you have that complete knowledge of every atom of the universe, you cannot say for a fact that God does not exist.

Romans 1:18 talks about people just like you:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
Different religions have different virtues and vices. If I was just interested in morally justifying my decisions I'd pick one that aligned with me.

Again, I'm not claiming for a 100% certainty there is no God. Just that the evidence I've seen doesn't indicate to me that there is one. There might be, but it's unlikely. Is that the position you're going with as well? There might be a God? You seem pretty sure. An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence. And what if we did gain knowledge of every atom in the universe? Would God cease to exist then? What you describe is called God of the gaps. The further we push the boundaries of scientific knowledge the smaller the area of unknown God recedes into. How small does that have to be to definitively say God doesn't exist? Even if it's infinitesimal you'll still say that doesn't prove it 100%, he could still be there, as evidenced by your assertion about knowing every single atom. That's an epistemological trap. Yes. He could. But it's unlikely.
 
I'm not asking these questions to troll but to make you confront these hard truths. Either every human who's ever lived throughout history that never heard of Jesus's sacrifice is suffering for all eternity even if they lived a virtuous life or your understanding of salvation through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior is flawed.
Again, you are not well versed in the Bible, no pun intended.
 
Not at all. The Jews offered sacrifices for sin and were saved thus. There are examples in the Old Testament of even Gentiles finding God. The death of Christ fulfilled the law and made the necessity for sacrifice and the rituals of the priesthood no longer necessary. The book of Hebrews explains this in great detail.
I'm talking about people on the other side of the world from that. All the Native Americans in both South and North America who lived and died who never heard a word about Jesus of Nazareth. There are uncontacted people on islands near Sri Lanka this very minute. They know nothing of your Christ. They're doomed to burn for all eternity just because they happened to be born there? And what about all the thousands of years of humanity that lived before Abraham?
 
You and @Platinumdrgn ever bother to go further than just listen to clips

Waaiiitt a minute.. tipin, are you trying to tell me that plat queen and shin splints were using disinformation?

Lucky we are not in canada, or they would have accts frozen, etc.

Are they gonna actually plead ignorance? If so, they may have a strong argument, backed up by every one of their posts.
 
I'm not asking these questions to troll but to make you confront these hard truths. Either every human who's ever lived throughout history that never heard of Jesus's sacrifice is suffering for all eternity even if they lived a virtuous life or your understanding of salvation through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior is flawed.


There’s also room for faith there , Dionysus

I do believe God reveals himself through creation itself - and so it never struck me as far fetched that remote or culturally distant people would be exposed to the same simple good news of Jesus Christ’s redemptive power

How did you guys get into a faith / theology track in the middle of this thread ?

hahahaha - i like it - raising the bar
 
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There’s also room for faith there , Dionysus

I do believe God reveals himself through creation itself - and so it never struck me as far fetched that remote or culturally distant people would be exposed to the same simple good news of Jesus Christ’s redemptive power

How did you guys get into a faith / theology track in the middle of this thread ?

hahahaha - i like it - raising the bar
Vague spirituality is one thing. Eternal reward or damnation granted only through grace by accepting Jesus Christ is another. There was a Catholic/Protestant works/faith discussion awhile back that revealed many posters positions on the subject. And some of them are very dogmatic and extreme.
 
Different religions have different virtues and vices. If I was just interested in morally justifying my decisions I'd pick one that aligned with me.

Again, I'm not claiming for a 100% certainty there is no God. Just that the evidence I've seen doesn't indicate to me that there is one. There might be, but it's unlikely.
How are classic books written? Just splash a bucket of ink next to a ream of paper? No, of course not. Someone has to design it and create it.

Look around ... how symbiotic things live. If you believe the evolution fantasy, then which came first in the symbiotic view? How did the first one survive without the 2nd? And if this all just magic happened, where did it come from? If you say primordal soup, why is no other species saying every day, f this, im walking. If the chances of that first cell were so remote, how did it find the opposite sex (making it uncommon already), close enough to mate with? Doesnt make any sense at all.

The evolution argument is basically that we all evolved from a single rock. Rediculous. All the animals, birds, fish, insects, trees, flowers, mammals, all came from a single rock of carbon. That is stupid. When farmers plant corn, do they grow cows instead? Or when 2 horses are mated, does a farmer expect beans? NO! No one has ever seen 2 whales produce a cat. No, they always produce whales. Always. They will produce "variations", but never new species.

When you really stop to examine ALL of the evidence properly, the only logical conclusion is a creator, namely God. Even the multiverse argument falls apart and leads to God. You may not like that and you may hate him because you do not understand him and his ways, but that is your choice to a large extent and that is 100 on you.
 
I generally like your contributions but I don't really think "U wrong" adds much.
Vague spirituality is one thing. Eternal reward or damnation granted only through grace by accepting Jesus Christ is another. There was a Catholic/Protestant works/faith discussion awhile back that revealed many posters positions on the subject. And some of them are very dogmatic and extreme.


it’s better to give a little grace when it comes to matters of peoples convictions and faith -
and there’s room for everyone involved in these conversations to learn / grow
plus the conversations can be really worth the time when approached appropriately
 
How are classic books written? Just splash a bucket of ink next to a ream of paper? No, of course not. Someone has to design it and create it.

Look around ... how symbiotic things live. If you believe the evolution fantasy, then which came first in the symbiotic view? How did the first one survive without the 2nd? And if this all just magic happened, where did it come from? If you say primordal soup, why is no other species saying every day, f this, im walking. If the chances of that first cell were so remote, how did it find the opposite sex (making it uncommon already), close enough to mate with? Doesnt make any sense at all.

The evolution argument is basically that we all evolved from a single rock. Rediculous. All the animals, birds, fish, insects, trees, flowers, mammals, all came from a single rock of carbon. That is stupid. When farmers plant corn, do they grow cows instead? Or when 2 horses are mated, does a farmer expect beans? NO! No one has ever seen 2 whales produce a cat. No, they always produce whales. Always. They will produce "variations", but never new species.

When you really stop to examine ALL of the evidence properly, the only logical conclusion is a creator, namely God. Even the multiverse argument falls apart and leads to God. You may not like that and you may hate him because you do not understand him and his ways, but that is your choice to a large extent and that is 100 on you.
We've answered these questions. No one has ever said two whales can mate and produce a cat. What did they teach you about evolution and natural selection in school? This is really basic biology. Look at the entire fossil record. We know much of the history of life. You can look at these things yourself, they're real.
 
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Vague spirituality is one thing. Eternal reward or damnation granted only through grace by accepting Jesus Christ is another. There was a Catholic/Protestant works/faith discussion awhile back that revealed many posters positions on the subject. And some of them are very dogmatic and extreme.
Dude, for Christ's sake. (Pun intended)

Create a new thread for this crap.

You clowns sound like stoned College freshmen in a dorm lobby at 4 am.

It's the 'political thread', not the 'discuss theology' thread.
 
This thread is the same fights over and over. Can we just establish the disagreement on following topics and stop talking to each other about it as it’s not changing anyone’s mind.

VHS hates Trump.
BBFGA likes the covid shot as does VHS
Some believe in God. Others do not. This thread isn’t going to change their mind.

Sam/Plat are low-informed people and are pro left on every situation. Stop engaging with them and Dion as it hijacks the thread.

Ifs like the movie Groundhog Day with some of these fights.
 
This thread is the same fights over and over. Can we just establish the disagreement on following topics and stop talking to each other about it as it’s not changing anyone’s mind.

VHS hates Trump.
BBFGA likes the covid shot as does VHS
Some believe in God. Others do not. This thread isn’t going to change their mind.

Sam/Plat are low-informed people and are pro left on every situation. Stop engaging with them and Dion as it hijacks the thread.

Ifs like the movie Groundhog Day with some of these fights.
One more:

Trump supporters are delusional, support Putin and his puppet Trump over their own country, and believe in an array of conspiracy theories that would get them involuntarily admitted to any mental hospital in the United States were they to confess them to a psychiatrist.
 
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One more:

Trump supporters are delusional, support Putin and his puppet Trump over their own country, and believe in an array of conspiracy theories that would get them involuntarily admitted to any mental hospital in the United States were they to confess them to a psychiatrist.

Projection much, MITTENS?

That's your new name. Keep posting. This should be fun, MITTENS!
 
MITTENS! Are you Chris Cilizza from CNN?

Saw he posted an article today at 3.44 pm on CNN that stated 'we must finally admit, Romney was right on Russia.'

Not sure when you jumped on the Romney train, but the timing is highly suspect to sag the least.

Sniff. Sniff. I smell a rat.
 
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You and @Platinumdrgn ever bother to go further than just listen to clips

Wasn't Swalwell banging a chinese spy named Fang Fang? Didn't Fang Fang give Swalwell a list of people to put on his presidential campaign and didn't he put them on his campaign? Isn't this guy still getting top secret intel briefings?
 
One more:

Trump supporters are delusional, support Putin and his puppet Trump over their own country, and believe in an array of conspiracy theories that would get them involuntarily admitted to any mental hospital in the United States were they to confess them to a psychiatrist.
I want to apologize for my previous blue team on blue team violence, friend. I went back and read your posts and like the cut of your jib despite whatever differences of opinion we may have on political hot takes. I was way too harsh with my initial post. Please forgive my hubris, I spend too much time with the Trumpets and it rubs off. Welcome to the thread, post early and often.
 
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How are classic books written? Just splash a bucket of ink next to a ream of paper? No, of course not. Someone has to design it and create it.

Look around ... how symbiotic things live. If you believe the evolution fantasy, then which came first in the symbiotic view? How did the first one survive without the 2nd? And if this all just magic happened, where did it come from? If you say primordal soup, why is no other species saying every day, f this, im walking. If the chances of that first cell were so remote, how did it find the opposite sex (making it uncommon already), close enough to mate with? Doesnt make any sense at all.

The evolution argument is basically that we all evolved from a single rock. Rediculous. All the animals, birds, fish, insects, trees, flowers, mammals, all came from a single rock of carbon. That is stupid. When farmers plant corn, do they grow cows instead? Or when 2 horses are mated, does a farmer expect beans? NO! No one has ever seen 2 whales produce a cat. No, they always produce whales. Always. They will produce "variations", but never new species.

When you really stop to examine ALL of the evidence properly, the only logical conclusion is a creator, namely God. Even the multiverse argument falls apart and leads to God. You may not like that and you may hate him because you do not understand him and his ways, but that is your choice to a large extent and that is 100 on you.
Lmao. That has to be some of the dumbest attempt at examples ever posted on this thread. Over time species drift enough to become what we consider new species. Mammals do this in time periods beyond the comprehension of most humans, we think to small. Bugs, fish, some birds do this in relatively observable time periods. 100s of thousands of species have come and gone over earth's history. You may want to visit a few natural history museums.
Neanderthals figured out how to harness the power of sticks and rocks and go beyond simple sounds. Thousands of years later cavemen learned to harness fire, grow crops and write down some of those complex sounds. Eventually they dominated the earth with this power. What was the catalyst that created hominids? We don't know, all we can do is abstract guesses based on fossil records. But we do know that we come from Africa, not the middle east.
Will humans ever become a new species? Outside of unimaginable climate change or natural catastrophe i dont imagine it would happen on earth before we went extinct. With space travel and many generations it's certainly possible. Spending a few hundred years in vastly different radiation and gravities will definitely change us. In 5000 years earth will be covered in completely different species than it has now. And Christianity will be long forgotten.
 
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I want to apologize for my previous blue team on blue team violence, friend. I went back and read your posts and like the cut of your jib despite whatever differences of opinion we may have on political hot takes. I was way too harsh with my initial post. Please forgive my hubris, I spend too much time with the Trumpets and it rubs off. Welcome to the thread, post early and often.

You (plural) will never figure out just how dumb you actually are.

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Not a fan of Nationalism

Point 1 screams it

America has been great but it has also been horrible and both should be taught in schools. The whole immigration problem today can be rooted in our foreign policy actions overthrowing Central and South American governments.

Point 5 is laughable because the "market" as Trump likes to use does better under Democrat leadership at least since Reagan.

The GOP talk about helping the economy but lowering taxes only hurt it. Less revenue only increases the debt of this nation. Cutting government, a potential outcome of lowering taxes, can only pay for so much.

Think about someone wanting to get out of debt. Sure, cutting spending may help them get out of it but what if it doesn't, then what? Finding another job that pays more might be the only solution.

I.E. increasing revenue through raising taxes.

Point 7 is Big Brother which is funny because Scott uses the phrase Orwellian. The GOP is literally doing point 7. Look up gerrymandering. On the flip side "voter rights" is just giving everyone an easier opportunity to vote.

All Rick Scott is doing is pandering to the base.

Not going to say anything else because the people here are too far gone.

Update: the part about raising taxes was deleted because the plan set by RS says

" All Americans should pay some income tax to have skin in the game, even if a small amount. Currently over half of Americans pay no income tax"

If this pertains to those making $$$ I'd be for it. If it pertains to those struggling to get by then not so much.
 
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Not a fan of Nationalism

Point 1 screams it

America has been great but it has also been horrible and both should be taught in schools. The whole immigration problem today can be rooted in our foreign policy actions overthrowing Central and South American governments.

Point 5 is laughable because the "market" as Trump likes to use does better under Democrat leadership at least since Reagan.

The GOP talk about helping the economy but lowering taxes only hurt it. Less revenue only increases the debt of this nation. Cutting government, a potential outcome of lowering taxes, can only pay for so much.

Think about someone wanting to get out of debt. Sure, cutting spending may help them get out of it but what if it doesn't, then what? Finding another job that pays more might be the only solution.

I.E. increasing revenue through raising taxes.

Point 7 is Big Brother which is funny because Scott uses the phrase Orwellian. The GOP is literally doing point 7. Look up gerrymandering. On the flip side "voter rights" is just giving everyone an easier opportunity to vote.

All Rick Scott is doing is pandering to the base. There's even a point on his agenda about raising taxes on the lowest tax bracket which is funny because that's the class who cannot afford something like that. He thinks that's fine but raising taxes on people like him, which would provide more money to the local governments he talks about, is a "radical left idea."

Not going to say anything else because the people here are too far gone.

You hate America, so no one takes you seriously
 
Lmao. That has to be some of the dumbest attempt at examples ever posted on this thread. Over time species drift enough to become what we consider new species. Mammals do this in time periods beyond the comprehension of most humans, we think to small. Bugs, fish, some birds do this in relatively observable time periods. 100s of thousands of species have come and gone over earth's history. You may want to visit a few natural history museums.
Neanderthals figured out how to harness the power of sticks and rocks and go beyond simple sounds. Thousands of years later cavemen learned to harness fire, grow crops and write down some of those complex sounds. Eventually they dominated the earth with this power. What was the catalyst that created hominids? We don't know, all we can do is abstract guesses based on fossil records. But we do know that we come from Africa, not the middle east.
Will humans ever become a new species? Outside of unimaginable climate change or natural catastrophe i dont imagine it would happen on earth before we went extinct. With space travel and many generations it's certainly possible. Spending a few hundred years in vastly different radiation and gravities will definitely change us. In 5000 years earth will be covered in completely different species than it has now. And Christianity will be long forgotten.
There is ZERO EVIDENCE that a single species evolved into another. There is NO evolutionist that can show where this happened - they are all guessing. Even YOU admit you are guessing.

Actually, the fossil records DISPROVE evolution.

The gaps in the fossil record are huge and systematic. This is evidence against incremental evolution via mutation and natural selection - just as you claim absence of evidence is proof there is no God, so your own logic is used against you to show that lack of evidence in THIS case actually DOES disprove evolution, as scientific evidence is REQUIRED to validate a theory. There is no postulated mechanism for creatures to evolve over these chasms. Really, truly — there is no scientific theory at all to account for the hopeless gaps of a naturalistic worldview.

An honest assessment of evolution would lead one to the conclusion that fossils should show a near-infinite series of creatures from simple to complex. If fossils are abundant in nature, then there should be no problem in finding a multitude of transitional forms for all of the animal and plant life on the earth today. In fact, many evolutionists admit the abundance – the enormous wealth – of fossils of creatures that once lived.

So WHERE ARE THE TRANSITIONAL FORMS?


What is embarrassing is that the rule – not the exception – is that between the various classes of animals, both living and dead, are huge gaps. The transitional forms are absent. We regularly see the latest news story describing the latest potential “missing link” in the enigma of human evolution. But nothing ever gets settled. The advocates of human evolution can’t agree among themselves, not to mention present a case that would be compelling at all to a dispassionate observer.

The famous evolutionary paleontologist, Niles Eldridge, has admitted, “We paleontologists have said that the history of life supports (the idea of gradual evolutionary change), all the while knowing it does not.” Eldridge observes that those paleontologists who report that the data are inconsistent with the “theory” are relegated to the lunatic fringe of the community.

Why are evolutionists so tenacious in the face of an unsupportable “theory”? Because they are committed to naturalistic materialism. They won’t accept the possibility that God exists or that anything cannot be explained by natural physical processes.

Some evolutionists have given up on the idea of the random mutation / natural selection neo-Darwinian “theory” and suggested the idea of “punctuated equilibrium” in a desperate attempt to explain the fossil gaps. The idea is that when evolution occurred, lots of genes mutated very quickly and within a very few generations a new creature was “born.” The mathematics of this approach are so frightening, however, that some traditional evolutionists suspect that “punctuated equilibrium” was actually a joke when it was first introduced.
 
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