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Why? Is your views on sexuality more important than my views on politics?
False. And even if it weren't, if you lose your investment, money that you put into the business, that would be enough. All the worker did was lose his/her (two genders) jobs and they could pick up and go to the next job. That investment could be everything that owner had and more (loan). The worker still has their savings and other monies if they have any. Your take is from a position of ignorance or greed.
The baker wins out, if he/she (Two genders) decides not to bake, so be it. It is there religious right and their business. Easy call.
The rationale is that immutable characteristics, like what race you were born or in what country, are separate from changeable opinions, like politics. Weren't you actually alive for the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Seems like you should already know these things instead of needing to be schooled by a millennial.
She's the next John Roberts. Trump should've known better. But it was McConnell who pressured Trump to nominate her. Aren't you guys just so lucky to have Mitch "represent" you?
This, today, sounds to me, that you don't have to offer your services to folks who don't follow your religious convictions: "Supreme Court sides with Catholic foster agency that excludes same-sex couples in 9-0 ruling"
9-ZERO no less. D44 out on limb by himself & past where he's sawing.
""CSS seeks only an accommodation that will allow it to continue serving the children of Philadelphia in a manner consistent with its religious beliefs; it does not seek to impose those beliefs on anyone else," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in a majority opinion."
Seems to me the bakers are just offering a service consistent with their religious beliefs.
Supreme Court sides with Catholic foster agency that excludes same-sex couples in 9-0 ruling
The Supreme Court sided unanimously with a Catholic foster agency in a dispute against the city of Philadelphia over whether it should be banned from participating in the city's foster program because it excludes same-sex couples.
It's quite clear people change their minds on gender identity.
Biden just signed the Bill making Juneteenth a federal holiday marking the end of slavery. The only problem is that it’s a Texas holiday, slavery in the United States was still legal and happening in June of 1865. There were slaves in KY up till December 1865.
Im not against marking a holiday for the end of slavery, but at least be historically accurate while describing it.
Im not against marking a holiday for the end of slavery, but at least be historically accurate while describing it.
So, you can change your sexual orientation or just want to be a woman for a hour/day or whatever and be who you want to be at that time then change back at any time according to today's standard right? With that in mind, a Klansman can walk in and say he is protesting his peoples history and now identifies as black and he wants you to bake a cake with a swastika on it because it symbolizes the oppression of his now self appointed race and he needs to educate people on how to identify it.
How about the black panthers? Can they be refused service? blm? antifa?
By the way, you are schooling no one. That is the problem with liberals. Your ignorance to your actual lack of knowledge is scary.
Did you read the ruling or even the article you linked? It pertains to government agencies that already provide exceptions. They ruled that since Philadelphia already provides exceptions they cannot withhold one here unless they have a particular reason, the 'strict scrutiny' standard. "The creation of a system of exceptions under the contract undermines the City’s contention that its nondiscrimination policies can brook no departures. The City offers no compelling reason why it has a particular interest in denying an exception to CSS while making them available to others." Masterpiece Cakeshop is not a government entity nor do they have exceptions to even have a 'strict scrutiny' standard on. You really think this would've been 9-0 had it given private business free license to discriminate, effectively overturning the Civil Rights Act?This, today, sounds to me, that you don't have to offer your services to folks who don't follow your religious convictions: "Supreme Court sides with Catholic foster agency that excludes same-sex couples in 9-0 ruling"
9-ZERO no less. D44 out on limb by himself & past where he's sawing.
""CSS seeks only an accommodation that will allow it to continue serving the children of Philadelphia in a manner consistent with its religious beliefs; it does not seek to impose those beliefs on anyone else," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in a majority opinion."
Seems to me the bakers are just offering a service consistent with their religious beliefs.
Supreme Court sides with Catholic foster agency that excludes same-sex couples in 9-0 ruling
The Supreme Court sided unanimously with a Catholic foster agency in a dispute against the city of Philadelphia over whether it should be banned from participating in the city's foster program because it excludes same-sex couples.www.foxnews.com
The same could be argued of religion. And a counter-argument could be made. Regardless of your opinion on the subject, that's the current law of the land. Both are protected.
False. The gay couple hold opinions too. They have the opinion that they are sexually compatible but, according to God and the Bible which the baker lives by they are not in his eyes. The baker is not refusing service because they are male or female couples, he refused to bake the cake they wanted because he could not by God's law engage in condoning the actions the cake represented.
He refused service because the couple was male-male and not male-female. He's discriminating based on the sex of one of the participants. This isn't about opinions.
Lie.
Really is amazing just how dumb and/or disingenuous you leftist scum are in propagating your beliefs.
False, I posted the male or female couples and that them being sexually compatible was their opinion. But, according to God and the Bible which the baker has the right to follow (religious freedoms) they are not compatible and he did not want to bake a cake that showed that opinion or orientation. He has that right by God's law and religious freedoms. They could have had a wedding cake just not one the baker felt was against his principles.
By the way, it is now time to school you. Biologically, same sex couples cannot procreate. By design and proven incompatible.
So I guess you agree cruise ships should be able to require vaccines from their customers before they board no matter where they disembark from?
It doesn't matter who's "compatible" or what that even means. It's illegal to discriminate on the basis of sex.
LOL
Actually you aren't funny, more like pathetic.
Dang!
And from your posts I would have guessed fifth grade.
So, what do you think the hundreds of thousands of new "citizens" crossing the border now is going to do to the Dimwits education level? But don't worry, they will get all the benefits Americans have, until we go bankrupt.
It is also illegal to make a person do something against their religious beliefs in this country so, by right the baker did not have to bake a cake that was vulgar or against his religious beliefs. Not unlike conscientious objectors refusing to go war after drafted based on religious beliefs once confirmed that that was the case. You are trampling on his right so, again to help you understand, your right cannot supersede my right when it is in my business. Plus, they could have had any other cake there thereby not being refused service. Only they decided they were going to make him do what they wanted him to do against his will and religious right. His business and his right to not go against God.
Completely false and made up stats by those who agree with your stance.
Notice a course in logic was conspicuously absent.
I haven't really followed this very closely, but did he refuse service or did he refuse to decorate the cake the way they wanted. There is a huge difference. If he would have sold them a cake decorated in a different way that doesn't violate his beliefs, then he is not refusing service. I really don't know the answer to that question.
From what I saw, all these headlines were misleading. They ruled on standing which isn't a ruling on the merits. Still....lib judges never cross on important issues
I bet he did. No way he wants this demented fool out of there
Good question. One issue is that we're being kind of nebulous here when talking about highly specific legal issues. The SC case he's known for is Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, 2018 which is the gay wedding cake. From the link:
Craig and Mullins visited Masterpiece Cakeshop in Lakewood, Colorado, in July 2012 to order a wedding cake for their return celebration. Masterpiece's owner Jack Phillips, who is a Christian, declined their cake request, informing the couple that he did not create wedding cakes for marriages of gay couples owing to his Christian religious beliefs. Craig and Mullins promptly left Masterpiece without discussing with Phillips any of the details of their wedding cake. The following day, Craig's mother, Deborah Munn, called Phillips, who advised her that Masterpiece did not make wedding cakes for the weddings of gay couples because of his religious beliefs...
The new case that sparked the discussion is a different allegation that the plaintiff tried to order a pink cake with blue frosting, but the bakery refused her saying they “did not make cakes for ‘sex changes.’”
Either way he offers custom cakes. You can't say, "You can't buy anything in my store other than this one raisin," and still say you're not refusing service. You're refusing a service you provide to others based on sex.
Something doesn’t seem right in that description. I have a hard time believing he refused an order simply because it was a pink cake with blue icing.
That's what's being reported everywhere, but with the media who knows.
"Autumn Scardina filed a lawsuit against Masterpiece Cakeshop in 2017, after the bakery refused to bake her a pink cake with blue frosting, symbolizing her gender transition. Phillips testified that the bakery refused to bake the cake “based on the message they believed it would have conveyed - that a person can change genders and that a gender transition should be celebrated.”"
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a person could get a pink cake with blue icing from a number of different places. if that was they really wanted and for the purpose of celebrating their whatever.
so why don't you understand that was never the point of this situation. they never cared about the cake. they only cared about the confrontation and the opportunity to be a victim. they purposefully targeted a a specific cake place and with this purpose in mind.
why is that not a an issue to you? they weren't looking for a damn cake, they were looking for confrontation. plain and simple. why does a business owner have to concede to someone who only had that purpose in mind.
beautiful thing about capitalism, if someone won't provide you with the service and take your money, someone else will.
I like how you used the pronoun “they”. I see what you did there.
Y'all celebrate and champion rural living. One of the fixtures of rural life is limited options. Becky out in the backwoods may only have one place within miles that makes custom cakes. The problem can be even worse out west where towns are so far apart. Businesses aren't legally allowed to refuse service on the basis of sex, race, religion, national origin; age or disability(added later). That protects you from your local gun shop refusing you service just for being an American or white devil just like it protects them with the cakes.
False, that was not the case here. It was not rural and not only that but the baker has the right to refuse on religious grounds. His right to believe his position.
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Former President Donald Trump will begin his Make America Great Again rallies starting next week with an event in Ohio.The campaign-style event was announced by Trump’s Save America PAC and will be the former president’s first rally since leaving the White House.“President Trump’s first of many...
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So asking Biden what flavor ice cream he ordered is negative reporting? He would have self destructed if he had to go through the questions Trump put up with.
Lol...28 trillion in debt, brilliant Bernie sanders comes up with a 6 trillion dollar reconciliation plan.
Proving my point again- Dump.Money.On.Everything
Again, he could tax us all at 100% and still not have enough money
He's by far the greediest person in the country
Proving my point again- Dump.Money.On.Everything
Again, he could tax us all at 100% and still not have enough money
He's by far the greediest person in the country
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