The only risk an owner has is of losing his investment and going back to being a worker like everyone else.
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That's a massive oversimplification. There are 1000 things that can go wrong for a business owner. Much of it out of their control. Many of them spell the end of the business. All of it must be navigated carefully minute by minute.
If the worst happens, they indeed might return to the workforce. Of course that's after almost certain massive financial loss. However everyone they employed loses a job.
If people stop reaping the reward, they stop taking the risk. If they stop taking the risk, jobs go away.
See this is the problem I have with liberals. They expect everyone to support and celebrate every walk of life. I will never hurt another human that does no physical harm to me, but don’t expect me to agree and accept those life styles that I disagree with.
And often the gov will change the rules of the way the game must be played after substantial time and money has been invested.
Looks like the ky gop finally making moves against crt. Better late than never.
No one’s stopping you from disagreeing with or not accepting trans people (your own words). They’re stopping you from refusing service as a business owner. Disagree and don’t accept all you want. But if you’re going to offer a service or good to the public you cannot deny that to someone based on their race, sex, religion, or national origin. What’s your counter argument here? You think businesses should be able to deny black people service?
Here we have the most popular president in U.S. history being bullied by a frenchman...
Sounds like he's running for Senate next year. 🤠
The counter argument is that you have to lie; you purposefully mischaracterize the issue to make your argument.
The gay couple could go in and have a wedding cake made, just not a for a gay wedding say with a figurine of two grooms kissing, since you are asknig the owner (purposefully mind you) to compromise his convictions to support your values.
You obfuscate the issue to make it seem like something it isn't... this is the case with all radical leftist ideology. It only makes sense when you have built it on a foundation of lies.
Here we have the most popular president in U.S. history being bullied by a frenchman...
He’s mad about George Washington not offering support to the French during the Revolution.
Dang white supremacy here.
I have no problem with race., but if someone wants another person to make something that is vulgar or distasteful to them then they should be able to tell the customer politely to take their business elsewhere. This may hurt your feelings, but you can get over it. Oh, that’s not the politically correct thing to do. Smdh
You may not have a problem with race, but some do. So they should be allowed to refuse service because they find black people vulgar and distasteful? You may not like it but sexual orientation and gender identity have the same legal protections as race.
Buckhead, Georgia taking action to break away from Atlanta. Atlanta is out of control and will not enforce criminal activity. So bye
https://georgiastarnews.com/2021/06...-as-city-officials-campaign-to-leave-atlanta/
Buckhead, where residents are already trying to formally break away from the City of Atlanta so they can address an out-of-control crime wave using their own resources, had another violent weekend, including a murder.
According to the Atlanta Police Department’s (APD’s) website, someone shot a man Saturday as he jogged through the 1200 block of West Wesley Road in Buckhead.
APD officers also reported a fatal shooting Sunday at the Intercontinental Hotel at the 3300 block of Peachtree Road. Hotel staff told The Georgia Star News Sunday that the hotel is in Buckhead.
https://georgiastarnews.com/2021/06...-as-city-officials-campaign-to-leave-atlanta/
Buckhead, where residents are already trying to formally break away from the City of Atlanta so they can address an out-of-control crime wave using their own resources, had another violent weekend, including a murder.
According to the Atlanta Police Department’s (APD’s) website, someone shot a man Saturday as he jogged through the 1200 block of West Wesley Road in Buckhead.
APD officers also reported a fatal shooting Sunday at the Intercontinental Hotel at the 3300 block of Peachtree Road. Hotel staff told The Georgia Star News Sunday that the hotel is in Buckhead.
Dion, you didn't answer the question posed earlier.
Do you think a black cake baker should be forced to bake a cake in the shape of a Klan hood for a local kkk rally?
Yea, or Nay?
No. Political affiliation is not a protected class like sex is. You're allowed to refuse service to a Klansman. Like restaurants kicking out Trumpers a few years ago.
Intentionally misleading and disingenuous attempt to equate things which are not alike.
There is so little actual discrimination in our society that you scum leftists have to manufacture it whole cloth.
There were plenty of bakers willing to take their business that they intentionally chose not to patron. There is nothing liberal at all about forcing your values on to people who don't accept them. No one's civil rights are ever actually violated in modern American society, as evidenced by the very fact that you have to lie to prove they still are.
I'm surprised the Atlanta city crime hadn't made it's way to Buckhead years ago. Just a few blocks up the road.
Of course with BLM, libs, riots, defund the police, etc....criminals are more emboldened today than ever.
How about a gay Klansman?
Explain how it's misleading or disingenuous. Sex, and by extension sexual orientation and gender identity, and race have the same legal protections.
Supreme Court sides with Catholic foster agency that excludes same-sex couples in 9-0 ruling
The Supreme Court sided unanimously with a Catholic foster agency in a dispute against the city of Philadelphia over whether it should be banned from participating in the city's foster program because it excludes same-sex couples.
If you're refusing service based on their being a Klansman and not because they're gay then it's allowed. Same for Clayton Bigsby the black Klansman.
Explain how you don't understand the explanation I already gave you.
The issue here is not "protected class," but what service is rendered. This is more akin to no shoes, no shirt, no service than it is one about civil rights.
Two parent household is by far the greatest extrinsic factor of a person's outcome in life. For years it's way more impactful than race.
It just isn't sexy and doesn't get votes. So noone cares.
Noone is denying service. The owners would bake them a normal cake. They just don't want to bake that particular cake.
If roles were reversed, should the gay baker have to bake a cake with a swastika or confederate flag? Of course not.
Nonsense like this does nothing but damage efforts of inclusion because it devalues actual examples of legitimate bigotry
Oh no. You seem to have missed out on intersectionality. Why would you discriminate against a gay Klansman if he is living his truth?
Why don’t you educate yourself, fascist?
A more accurate comparison would be, sorry Black baker, you must bake my white supremacist cake with a swastika becaue I'm gay.
I'm a protected class.
I'm a protected class.
No shirt, no shoes, no service is exactly what we're discussing. You're allowed to deny service based on those things because they aren't race, sex, religion, or national origin (age and disability too which were added later). You're making my point.
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As do the bakers religious rights. Again, he isn’t refusing to sell them a cake, he’s refusing to decorate it on religious principles. Their rights don’t trump his rights.
Anybody in favor of reparations at this point, is capable of cheating to win elections.
Ok, should a Trans cake baker be forced to decorate a cake with the words "All Trans People are freaks and should die"? From my understanding of your logic, yes, they should have to do that.
No, you misunderstood what I meant by "more akin" as it's not the real issue either. You never deal with the real issue because it's losing ground.
He sells custom decorated wedding cakes. If your position is the couple have a sex right to buy their wedding cake and the baker has a religious right to not compromise his religious beliefs then how do we resolve it?(this isn't true legally obviously, owner and customer have different legal burdens, so this is just a hypothetical) Whose right trumps who? Not making the cake sides with the owner, making the cake sides with the couple. Any outcome violates someone's rights.
As another poster asked earlier. Should a black baker be forced to make a cake for the KKK?
edit. I saw where you did. I respond as I read through.
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The outcome is you go to a different cake decorator. The customer is willfully going to his business, even after knowing his stance. They are intentionally trying create a situation that hinders his religious rights while there are other options for them.
The SCOTUS has already ruled on this.
The KKK isn’t a political affiliation. It would be denying service to some whites for doing something the black baker didn’t agree with.
Explain to me how sexual ORIENTATION is protected versus actual, you know, actual sexual biological identity.
Bake the cake, bigot! You Communist.
