Memphis basketball falling apart..

[morgousky]

I don't even blame Tubby really. I blame the idiotic AD who thought Tubby Smith was the right person to lead that program. There literally couldn't be a worse fit.

Man I said this over and over to people when they pulled this hire.

He can recruit Memphis while sitting back doing nothing they said.

What could go wrong they said.

I just kept thinking, Tubby working with Memphis handlers and parents? Yea, and my avatar is laying spread eagle waiting on me to come home.

 

[kydmb99]

Man I said this over and over to people when they pulled this hire.

What can go wrong? He can recruit Memphis while sitting back doing nothing they said.

What could go wrong they said.

I just kept thinking, Tubby working with Memphis handlers and parents? Yea, and my avatar is laying spread eagle waiting on me to come home.

Giving Tubby a 5 year/$15.45 million deal is absolutely a fireable offense.

He should've stayed at Texas Tech. That was the perfect job for him.

 

[HoptownCat93]

None of you have made any type of attempt to debate the fact that they were having players run out the door before he stepped on campus? The Nichols kid could not even make a full season at Virginia before he was kicked off the team.

He took over a sinking ship. That program was in terrible shape. He took over a roster of players that were not his own, and had a marginally better season than the previous season.

Tubby comes in and wins a title in season 1 at UK and "It's not his team, he gets no credit" Tubby comes in to a program that has players leaving and was a mess and its all his fault. Double standard?

 

[morgousky]

Giving Tubby a 5 year/$15.45 million deal is absolutely a fireable offense.

He should've stayed at Texas Tech. That was the perfect job for him.

When people say "you think you know more than an AD", just think about some of these contracts you knew wouldn't work from the beginning. They don't know crap.

 

[morgousky]

None of you have made any type of attempt to debate the fact that they were having players run out the door before he stepped on campus? The Nichols kid could not even make a full season at Virginia before he was kicked off the team.

He took over a sinking ship. That program was in terrible shape. He took over a roster of players that were not his own, and had a marginally better season than the previous season.

Tubby comes in and wins a title in season 1 at UK and "It's not his team, he gets no credit" Tubby comes in to a program that has players leaving and was a mess and its all his fault. Double standard?

Because thats not how it happened. Memphis is ALWAYS a mess. You have to manage what you have. He single handedly cost himself the Lawson's over SAUL SMITH. Rememeber when he didn't recruit a point guard so he could play at UK? Yea, he's doing it again.

Crawford was going to stay but Tubby doesn't even have them competitive enough to make an NIT. He's a good kid that stuck it out. It's not his fault Tubby can't put a junior high roster together.

Nicols isn't even part of this conversation. He left before Tubby ever stepped foot. I have no idea why you use him to try and bolster your argument. Makes no sense.

You can't run Memphis like a typical program unless you're Cal and can recruit away from the city. Tubby can't do that. And he knew it going in.

This will be his last stop at a decent program. I doubt Murray would hire him at this point.

 

[kydmb99]

None of you have made any type of attempt to debate the fact that they were having players run out the door before he stepped on campus? The Nichols kid could not even make a full season at Virginia before he was kicked off the team.

He took over a sinking ship. That program was in terrible shape. He took over a roster of players that were not his own, and had a marginally better season than the previous season.

Tubby comes in and wins a title in season 1 at UK and "It's not his team, he gets no credit" Tubby comes in to a program that has players leaving and was a mess and its all his fault. Double standard?

Tubby's obsession with making his completely unqualified son a coach is what took a bad situation and made it an absolute trainwreck. Kentucky was a trainwreck when Coach Cal took over, he seemed to adapt pretty nicely. Plus, have you seen their recruiting class coming in next season? If they were replacing these guys with some 4 star recruits I don't think people would be upset. Instead, Flubby is out recruiting JUCOs and DII commits.

 

[morgousky]

Tubby's obsession with making his completely unqualified son a coach is what took a bad situation and made it an absolute trainwreck. Kentucky was a trainwreck when Coach Cal took over, he seemed to adapt pretty nicely. Plus, have you seen their recruiting class coming in next season? If they were replacing these guys with some 4 star recruits I don't think people would be upset. Instead, Flubby is out recruiting JUCOs and DII commits.

It's crazy to me someone has difficulty with this. This board has made a living bashing Tom Crean into the dirt. That's why I think for some of these guys, and I hate bringing race into this, but it seems For some it's a protective complex they feel to back him because of his race. Soft bigotry of low expectation. What else could it be? The guy couldn't be worse and a few just can't stop backing him?

 

[NCukcat62]

It's crazy to me someone has difficulty with this. This board has made a living bashing Tom Crean into the dirt. That's why I think for some of these guys, and I hate bringing race into this, but it seems For some it's a protective complex they feel to back him because of his race. Soft bigotry of low expectation. What else could it be? The guy couldn't be worse and a few just can't stop backing him?

Dude is an average coach that doesn't know how to create a winning product anymore. And he is a black coach who is average. He's lazy and inept now because he wants his below average son to be on his staff.

 

[HoptownCat93]

It's crazy to me someone has difficulty with this. This board has made a living bashing Tom Crean into the dirt. That's why I think for some of these guys, and I hate bringing race into this, but it seems For some it's a protective complex they feel to back him because of his race. Soft bigotry of low expectation. What else could it be? The guy couldn't be worse and a few just can't stop backing him?

How about how this board seems to take joy in him not winning. And it ALL has to do with some ESPN panelists slamming UK fans 10 YEARS ago and several egos cannot let it go. No one on this board is saying he is better than Cal. No one says they miss him. I just get tired of people just ragging on a guy that was a class act and is a good coach, not a great coach. Tubby NEVER was a distraction in the media. Tubby never was accused of cheating. Tubby NEVER bashed the fan base. He did not do well and he left.

I'll never get the obsession about bashing him every time something happens to him, oh wait I do because of what I mentioned above.

And Tubby is nowhere close to Tom Crean, Tubby made the tourney every year at Kentucky and Crean could not even make it past the Sweet 16. Tubby had some teams (2003-2005) that were capable of winning a championship. Roster turnover happened and the last 2 years were above average, and bad by UK standards for sure and I wanted him gone too. But, I want Tubby to win and I'll always cheer for him. I'll also cheer for Marcus Lee and Charles Matthews to tear it up at their new schools next season as well. I'll cheer for Billy G to turn his life around and stay sober.

 

[kydmb99]

How about how this board seems to take joy in him not winning. And it ALL has to do with some ESPN panelists slamming UK fans 10 YEARS ago and several egos cannot let it go. No one on this board is saying he is better than Cal. No one says they miss him. I just get tired of people just ragging on a guy that was a class act and is a good coach, not a great coach. Tubby NEVER was a distraction in the media. Tubby never was accused of cheating. Tubby NEVER bashed the fan base. He did not do well and he left.

I'll never get the obsession about bashing him every time something happens to him, oh wait I do because of what I mentioned above.

And Tubby is nowhere close to Tom Crean, Tubby made the tourney every year at Kentucky and Crean could not even make it past the Sweet 16. Tubby had some teams (2003-2005) that were capable of winning a championship. Roster turnover happened and the last 2 years were above average, and bad by UK standards for sure and I wanted him gone too. But, I want Tubby to win and I'll always cheer for him. I'll also cheer for Marcus Lee and Charles Matthews to tear it up at their new schools next season as well. I'll cheer for Billy G to turn his life around and stay sober.

Correctly stating that Tubby has a played significant role in creating the dumpster fire that is currently Memphis basketball isn't "taking joy in him not winning". It's just the plain truth. I do, however, get tired of hearing about how great Tubby is/was when it was clearly obvious to anyone who actually followed the program that he lazily neglected key aspects of being the coach at Kentucky and took a program at it's apex and slowly flushed it down the toilet.

 

[preacherfan]

Another one of those awesome Memphis articles.

http://www.sportingnews.com/amp/nca...bby-smith-tom-bowen/sfgv0bpwjhbb1v51rr2pzj1bq

This is soap opera material.

The two Lawsons ranked first and second on the team in field goal attempts; they took 43 percent of all Tigers shots this past season. So why would they leave? Well, what happened in between season one and season two is that Smith was hired and chose to move Keelon Sr. off the coaching staff and into an administrative role, squeezing him through an NCAA loophole before it was officially on the books. One of the reasons Smith did this: to make his son, Saul Smith, an assistant coach.

 

[morgousky]

How about how this board seems to take joy in him not winning. And it ALL has to do with some ESPN panelists slamming UK fans 10 YEARS ago and several egos cannot let it go. No one on this board is saying he is better than Cal. No one says they miss him. I just get tired of people just ragging on a guy that was a class act and is a good coach, not a great coach. Tubby NEVER was a distraction in the media. Tubby never was accused of cheating. Tubby NEVER bashed the fan base. He did not do well and he left.

I'll never get the obsession about bashing him every time something happens to him, oh wait I do because of what I mentioned above.

And Tubby is nowhere close to Tom Crean, Tubby made the tourney every year at Kentucky and Crean could not even make it past the Sweet 16. Tubby had some teams (2003-2005) that were capable of winning a championship. Roster turnover happened and the last 2 years were above average, and bad by UK standards for sure and I wanted him gone too. But, I want Tubby to win and I'll always cheer for him. I'll also cheer for Marcus Lee and Charles Matthews to tear it up at their new schools next season as well. I'll cheer for Billy G to turn his life around and stay sober.

So basically you don't like people drawing conclusions based on his RECORD because he's a good guy that the NCAA says is clean?

He took a job that is dependent upon RECRUITING MEMPHIS KIDS. He knew it going in, but he put his SONS career ahead of his 3 million dollar contract. Do you typically take up for multi millionaire coaches who play house with their coaching staff?

Tubby has always been nice to me. We send off jerseys and jersey numbers to him yearly (we make Kentucky team auto coaches jerseys and sht) and he and Joe B are the best at returning things. But his record is his record and I'm not going to sit here and pretend he's something other than what he is. You've got a large sample size to work with. If you can't see the problem, then that's your problem.

 

[morgousky]

I thought you were tired of Memphis threads keyser?

 

[TopCatCal]

Everyone liked Tubby. He's a good man and he's been very good to a member of my family, but what he did here the 4-5 yrs almost made me stop watching the games (I did stop going to Rupp).

By being allowed to stay here so long, his record in futility brought the program to an all time low. I can't endorse putting his name in the rafters or anywhere else for that matter.

After what the "PC" media did to us fans for wanting him out, you couldn't help wanting to see Tubby fail, if for nothing else to justify our feelings as to why we didn't want him here.

I never thought Tubby was a "great" coach and he isn't or he would have resurrected the teams that paid him millions to do it.

You say. After what the "PC" media did to us fans for wanting him out, you couldn't help wanting to see Tubby fail.... BINGO... You are 1,000% correct ! Especially the media in Lexington. People like Mark Story, Larry Glover and Ryan Lemon telling us that Tubby was one of the top 5 coaches in college BB, And saying that we could never do better than Tubby. How dumb must they feel now ?

Another thing that I didn't like about Tubby was his ZERO work ethic.
Examples
McDonald's All-American Scotty Hopson of Hopkinsville, Ky. One recruiting service had Hopson rated as one of the top 10 high school players in the country. Tubby wanted Hopson, he offered a scholarship. But I'll never Hopson's HS coach saying that Tubby never set foot on their campus to recruit Hopson, not one time.

One summer when Tubby was here. There was a recruiting show on W.H.A.S. radio in Louisville . The host of the show asked his recruiting expert guest about an AAU event that had just taken place. An event where all the top HS recruits where at. His guest started naming the coaches he saw there, coach K, Roy, Izzo, ect. Then the host asked did you see Tubby there ? Answer NO.

The next summer the same thing happened again. The host of the show asked who were some of the coaches there ? He answered Pitino, Self, Donovon, ect..When asked did you see Tubby there. Answer NO.... Is there any wonder why Tubby has become such a mediocre excuse for a coach.

To those "PC" media types. Tell us how great Tubby is now.

 

[HoptownCat93]

So basically you don't like people drawing conclusions based on his RECORD because he's a good guy that the NCAA says is clean?

He took a job that is dependent upon RECRUITING MEMPHIS KIDS. He knew it going in, but he put his SONS career ahead of his 3 million dollar contract. Do you typically take up for multi millionaire coaches who play house with their coaching staff?

Tubby has always been nice to me. We send off jerseys and jersey numbers to him yearly (we make Kentucky team auto coaches jerseys and sht) and he and Joe B are the best at returning things. But his record is his record and I'm not going to sit here and pretend he's something other than what he is. You've got a large sample size to work with. If you can't see the problem, then that's your problem.

Lets see, he took over a roster that was worse than the year before and had a better season than the previous coach. So he was not losing. They had a collapse in February, but they were having a great season until something happened. I don't see where players from a previous staff and players leaving because their daddy did not get enough respect is his fault?

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

People like Tubby because he's generally a good man. He runs a clean program and he is a good coach (in terms of getting the best out of what he recruits). He's also a class act that treats his fanbase with respect and dignity, even when they are calling for his job.

The problems with Tubby all stem from his laziness and letting his family take priority over his career and the school's success. He's a lazy recruiter and as good of a coach as he is, he will never adapt his coaching to a recruits style of play (This is also why I believe he doesn't go after top recruits, why recruit the top players when you know you're coaching style is going to hinder their performance?).

While his love for his son is admirable, it is ridiculous to place his son's career over the school's success at this level. He's not a high school coach. He's being paid millions to win. Therefore, demoting a qualified assistant so your unqualified son can have his job is both unprofessional and a breach of duty.

I love seeing Tubby win. He was the first coach I remember watching coach at UK, and won the first title I remember being won at UK (25 y/o, don't remember Pitino's days here but I did watch them according to my parents) so he has a special place in my heart in regards to UK basketball. However, that does not excuse his laziness or lack of professionalism. It's honestly time for him retire if this is how he's going to run his career.

 

[preacherfan]

I don't even blame Tubby really. I blame the idiotic AD who thought Tubby Smith was the right person to lead that program. There literally couldn't be a worse fit.

I said that from day 1. Bad fit is EXACTLY right!

 

[HoptownCat93]

I can agree with the notion it may be a bad fit, but he's 1 year removed from one of the best turnarounds in the nation. Say what you want, but what he did at Texas Tech was nothing short of incredible. Billy G destroyed that team and Tubby got them back to the dance and won coach of the year in a top conference. And that was just ONE YEAR AGO. Maybe his recruiting sucks, but I doubt any coach that Memphis could've hired would have been able to come in and do much better.

 

[saxonburgcat]

I can agree with the notion it may be a bad fit, but he's 1 year removed from one of the best turnarounds in the nation. Say what you want, but what he did at Texas Tech was nothing short of incredible. Billy G destroyed that team and Tubby got them back to the dance and won coach of the year in a top conference. And that was just ONE YEAR AGO. Maybe his recruiting sucks, but I doubt any coach that Memphis could've hired would have been able to come in and do much better.

I think "incredible" might be a bit much for what he did at TT. To finish at 19-13 and 9-9 in that vastly overrated conference is impressive but not incredible.

Actually, if you want an incredible turnaround, look at what Billy G did at Texas A&M. The prior coach had never had a winning record in 6 seasons. By his 3rd season, Billy G was in the Sweet 16 and went 27-7 and 13-3.

Tubby simply is a bad fit in Memphis regardless of what he did at TT. Do you really think Memphis kids who play a lot of street ball are interested in playing for a team that scores 60 points a game? That is ONLY 1 of many reasons that Tubby cannot win there.

 

[Cat78Scot]

Really? I get that Pitino now coaches Louisville but the man brought us back from the dead and when he left we were on top of college basketball. Compare that to what Tubby did.

I'd argue that what Pitino did was more impressive than what Cal is doing, to this point, and I'm a huge Cal fan. Anyone who wasn't old enough or wasn't watching around the time P took this job can't fathom the amazing job while he was here.

I was ten years out of college in 98, I know what he did for UK. I also know what he's done since including flipping UK fans off and talking ish about us at almost every opportunity. He's the one that has made all the choices and taken actions that have resulted in tarnishing his legacy.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Lets see, he took over a roster that was worse than the year before and had a better season than the previous coach. So he was not losing. They had a collapse in February, but they were having a great season until something happened. I don't see where players from a previous staff and players leaving because their daddy did not get enough respect is his fault?

Great season? Lol hyperbole master

 

[Blue Decade]

Why cant people see the pattern that is Tubby Smith? He has never had any sort of success outside of a few years at Kentucky and Georgia, I just dont understand why he is even still coaching the college game. He needs to be an assistant somewhere at best.

Tubby Smith is a capable (not elite) veteran college basketball coach who rubs a lot of people (young and old) the wrong way. Everywhere Tubby has coached, there have been chemistry problems with players. In strictly basketball terms, it is ridiculous for anyone to argue that Tubby isn't qualified for the Memphis job. But Memphis could have done better, and I am not surprised Tubby is off to a rough start down there.

 

[kyups01]

Tubby Smith is a capable (not elite) veteran college basketball coach who rubs a lot of people (young and old) the wrong way. Everywhere Tubby has coached, there have been chemistry problems with players. In strictly basketball terms, it is ridiculous for anyone to argue that Tubby isn't qualified for the Memphis job. But Memphis could have done better, and I am not surprised Tubby is off to a rough start down there.

Tubby Smith is no longer qualified for high profile coaching jobs...meaning he needs to either coach a tiny small college or resort to the high school ranks. he has done absolutely nada since leaving UK to warrant the job offers he continues to get.

 

[Brentexcatfan]

Lets see, he took over a roster that was worse than the year before and had a better season than the previous coach. So he was not losing. They had a collapse in February, but they were having a great season until something happened. I don't see where players from a previous staff and players leaving because their daddy did not get enough respect is his fault?

Donna? Saul?

 

[morgousky]

I just don't understand how people cannot look to the facts of Tubby Smith.

He was handed a gold mine at UK. Rick not only left the cupboard full, he left the program at its highest peak since RUPP. He basically took that hand and turned it into crap, also allowing Florida to take control of the SEC in dominance in the dance and nationally. Seriously wtf?

He gets fired at Minnesota for not meeting demands and placing Saul Smith and his illegal practices ahead of program instetst. Seriously wtf?

He goes to tech and people think he's a God for finishing .500 and then completely crapping the bed. Billy Gillispie has done more. Seriously wtf?

At Memphis, what was supposed to be a quick fix for stability, turns into him not fulfilling recruiting demands in the city, losing half the roster, and once again placing his son's career over his contractual duties costing him 4 players two of them top 25. He's got less than a 10% approval rating in the city. No joke. So seriously, wtf?

At this point, before you make a judgement on Tubby, you need to check your motives. Trying to turn that into something it's not is bizzare. Why? Soft bigotry? Low bar? Is tubby not capable of achieving what others are able to accomplish with ease?

Again, I'm not trying to necessarily make it about that, but what other options for these motives is there? I and countless others were told we wanted him out because he's black. It's not like I started the conversation.

 

[BlueSince92]

OP has already put more effort into this thread than Tubby ever put into recruiting while here.

 

[bigc45157]

The "dad" assistant wasn't qualified? Here's a quote from the article: "Prior to the Memphis gig, Lawson was a high school head coach and had led his team at Hamilton High to an undefeated season and state title with his sons on the roster."

That doesn't even get into the fact that the guy is connected in Memphis, important at that school, and has multiple kids who are top prospects (assistants need to recruit right). The guy was definitely qualified to be an assistant coach.

And you fail to mention the mismanagement of players that the article describes, which is on Tubby.

Stop trying to defend the man, he's what, 3 or 4 failed stops beyond his failures here. How many times must he show that he's not what he's reputed to be before some of you see reality.

That doesn't mean he's qualified. If you have at least two high D1 talents on your team, you're prolly winning a lot of HS games.

What's his recruiting experience? What's his collegiate coaching experience? Dude may be great, but winning a HS title doesn't mean jack when you start talking about the ability to coach college ball.

 

[EvilMD]

How about how this board seems to take joy in him not winning. And it ALL has to do with some ESPN panelists slamming UK fans 10 YEARS ago and several egos cannot let it go. No one on this board is saying he is better than Cal. No one says they miss him. I just get tired of people just ragging on a guy that was a class act and is a good coach, not a great coach. Tubby NEVER was a distraction in the media. Tubby never was accused of cheating. Tubby NEVER bashed the fan base. He did not do well and he left.

I'll never get the obsession about bashing him every time something happens to him, oh wait I do because of what I mentioned above.

And Tubby is nowhere close to Tom Crean, Tubby made the tourney every year at Kentucky and Crean could not even make it past the Sweet 16. Tubby had some teams (2003-2005) that were capable of winning a championship. Roster turnover happened and the last 2 years were above average, and bad by UK standards for sure and I wanted him gone too. But, I want Tubby to win and I'll always cheer for him. I'll also cheer for Marcus Lee and Charles Matthews to tear it up at their new schools next season as well. I'll cheer for Billy G to turn his life around and stay sober.

End thread. A lot of people on here acting like they know what Tubby is dealing with down there. Maybe this assistant coach was slimy and doing things that would get the school in trouble? Maybe Tubby wanted a program that he could control and not have to worry about who's doing what on his staff that would reflect poorly on him?

 

[preacherfan]

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End thread. A lot of people on here acting like they know what Tubby is dealing with down there. Maybe this assistant coach was slimy and doing things that would get the school in trouble? Maybe Tubby wanted a program that he could control and not have to worry about who's doing what on his staff that would reflect poorly on him?

I think you make a fair point. Time will tell. But, we know for a fact that Tubby had to make room for Saul (that was pointed out in one of the many articles posted), we know that Saul got in trouble at Minny and that wasn't good for Tubby.

We know that Saul has been quoted (another posted article) talking about recruiting for Memphis by calling a kid up and asking if he is interested and if he doesn't say yes immediately, moving on to another player. We also know that one top recruit has already said that the Memphis staff doesn't know how to recruit (another article).

And, then we have a total team collapse at the end of the season, multiple player transfers, etc. At this point, the ONLY conclusion I can come to logically, based on what I know, is that Tubby is a disaster in Memphis. But, as I said, time will tell.

 

[kb22stang]

That doesn't mean he's qualified. If you have at least two high D1 talents on your team, you're prolly winning a lot of HS games.

What's his recruiting experience? What's his collegiate coaching experience? Dude may be great, but winning a HS title doesn't mean jack when you start talking about the ability to coach college ball.

His recruiting experience? He's the reason you have the top two players on your team and he's got more elite prospects that will follow him. Tubby's brilliant answer to losing these guys, sign D2 prospects??

Reread that last sentence a few times.

He used to be an average coach that could make a run every once in a while (UK & GA) then he was just a solid coach that could make the NCAA or just miss the cut (Minny and TT) but now he's devolved into a joke.

 

[kb22stang]

How about how this board seems to take joy in him not winning. And it ALL has to do with some ESPN panelists slamming UK fans 10 YEARS ago and several egos cannot let it go. No one on this board is saying he is better than Cal. No one says they miss him. I just get tired of people just ragging on a guy that was a class act and is a good coach, not a great coach. Tubby NEVER was a distraction in the media. Tubby never was accused of cheating. Tubby NEVER bashed the fan base. He did not do well and he left.

He wasn't paid to be good, he was paid like a top 5 coach. And the reason he failed at UK was not due to ability but sheer laziness and nepotism. That, along with the racism accusations from national media and our fellow UK fans, is why I take great joy in him being exposed for the fraud that he is.

Petty, yes. Don't care. His tenure at UK made me dislike watching UK basketball. And he was handed a Ferrari and he left us with a Ford.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

Tubby is lazy and has been for 12 years. When kids opted for prep school over coming to UK, you know we sucked.

He was an awful recruiter. If you can find the link, go back and look at the runner-up schools for these recruits. Roman Harris second best offer was Portland State. Mike Williams' runner-up was American University.

 

[EvilMD]

I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue with you about Tubby's recruiting. What we don't like is how you use it to smear a good man and a good bench coach. Ten years at Kentucky he never lost a first round game. Four Elite Eights and one title. It's obvious he won the title because someone else recruited the players for him, but still. He gave us a title, the only title in my lifetime where we weren't the favorite going in.

I want him to succeed at Memphis and make the Hall of Fame, because he's part of our history and that would reflect well on us to have another Hall of Fame coach. Plus I think he's a class dude.

 

[JFCats22]

Shocking that KU/Self continue to take such high quality players.

Has any school had as many asshats on their team as KU has?

 

[Smashcat]

Shocking that KU/Self continue to take such high quality players.

Has any school had as many asshats on their team as KU has?

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KU is a program that deserves critical attention but Self has made members of the media his buddies, and they look the other way.

 

[JFCats22]

KU is a program that deserves critical attention but Self has made members of the media his buddies, and they look the other way.

Would love to see a list of the shady players/issues that KU has had in the last 5 years or so.

 

[EvilMD]

For all of you critical of Tubby for losing the two brothers to Kansas, watch that video. It's one of the two players singing rap lyrics with "F--- Tubby" inserted.

If I was Self I would tell the two brothers he can't take them any more. The sooner the better.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

I used to have Tubby's home phone number when I was in middle school. Some rich girls I was friends with, got taken to the Maui Invitational where they met Brian. They would three way call to ask for Brian and talk for a bit and Tubby always answered the phone.

We'd occasionally call and hang up after he answered just to prove it.

"Howlooow?"

 

[TankedCat]

Tubby's last year at UK, Barnhart told him he had to shuffle his coaching staff. Tubby resisted and by December his agents was quietly looking for jobs outside of Kentucky for him.

I doubt an AD willing to pay a crazy amount for Tubby would step in to stop the hiring of Saul, but the AD could and should have some say in this.

He bears some responsibility for the state of Memphis basketball, not just for his hiring decision, but for allowing it to be driven off a cliff.

 

[TankedCat]

For all of you critical of Tubby for losing the two brothers to Kansas, watch that video. It's one of the two players singing rap lyrics with "F--- Tubby" inserted.

If I was Self I would tell the two brothers he can't take them any more. The sooner the better.

they wouldn't play for me after that and I'm definitely not a Tubby fan.

Self is a different guy