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The LIV Golf tour, which is bankrolled by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, apparently generated "virtually zero" revenue during its first season, according to its lawyers.

Mark Schlabach of ESPN reported LIV attorneys wrote as much in a motion filed Monday with the U.S. District Court for Northern California in an effort to convince U.S. District Court Judge Beth Labson Freeman to deny efforts from the PGA Tour to add the Public Investment Fund and its governor, Yasir Al-Rumayyan, as plaintiffs to its countersuit against LIV.

There is a January 2024 trial date scheduled for the countersuit, in which the PGA Tour has alleged LIV Golf interfered with existing contracts with players. However, the PGA Tour wants to delay that trial date because it said the Public Investment Fund and Al-Rumayyan have not complied with discovery and depositions.
"Delay will equally harm LIV because the Tour continues its anticompetitive conduct while the litigation is pending," LIV Golf's attorneys wrote in the motion. "The Tour has damaged LIV's brand, driven up its costs by hundreds of millions of dollars, and driven down revenues to virtually zero."

The admission that the revenues are "virtually zero" is noteworthy given the amount of money that has been put into the venture.

Schlabach noted former LIV Golf president and COO Atul Khosla, who resigned in December, previously said the Public Investment Fund spent approximately $784 million on things such as production costs and employee salaries in the first season, and that is not even including the player salaries.
 
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Way more forgiving than my last two drivers (Mavrik, TM M4). To be fair, I didn’t shorten the shaft 3/4 inch, so some of the forgiveness can be credited to that. No noticeable distance lost, maybe a bit more distance. The misses just aren’t as extreme as the other drivers I’ve had.
 
The LIV Golf tour, which is bankrolled by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, apparently generated "virtually zero" revenue during its first season, according to its lawyers.

Mark Schlabach of ESPN reported LIV attorneys wrote as much in a motion filed Monday with the U.S. District Court for Northern California in an effort to convince U.S. District Court Judge Beth Labson Freeman to deny efforts from the PGA Tour to add the Public Investment Fund and its governor, Yasir Al-Rumayyan, as plaintiffs to its countersuit against LIV.

There is a January 2024 trial date scheduled for the countersuit, in which the PGA Tour has alleged LIV Golf interfered with existing contracts with players. However, the PGA Tour wants to delay that trial date because it said the Public Investment Fund and Al-Rumayyan have not complied with discovery and depositions.
"Delay will equally harm LIV because the Tour continues its anticompetitive conduct while the litigation is pending," LIV Golf's attorneys wrote in the motion. "The Tour has damaged LIV's brand, driven up its costs by hundreds of millions of dollars, and driven down revenues to virtually zero."

The admission that the revenues are "virtually zero" is noteworthy given the amount of money that has been put into the venture.

Schlabach noted former LIV Golf president and COO Atul Khosla, who resigned in December, previously said the Public Investment Fund spent approximately $784 million on things such as production costs and employee salaries in the first season, and that is not even including the player salaries.

From what I've heard, this is almost putting lipstick on a pig. They are apparently hemorrhaging money. If they're not cooperating on the legal side then the PGA Tour will be in better position to drag it out longer, which will cost them but also keeps the loses piling up for LIV.
 
Any thoughts on Aaron Rodgers winning AT&T pro am with a 2.6 handicap index but got 10 shots? His pro didn't even make the cut and they still won. Keith Mitchell was not amused to name one other pro
 
After reading what happened, I'm fine with it.

Pebble uses their original handicaps, from when they first have played that event, only adjusting when someone has made the cut. He did not make the cut last time he played.

Is it a silly way to doing it? Yes, but he did not sandbag, supposedly.
 
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From what I've heard, this is almost putting lipstick on a pig. They are apparently hemorrhaging money. If they're not cooperating on the legal side then the PGA Tour will be in better position to drag it out longer, which will cost them but also keeps the loses piling up for LIV.
I hang out with a lot of golf fans obviously and for what it's worth I have not heard one person say they have watched any of these LIV events. I know I haven't
 
On the face of it, LIV looks pretty good with major winners last 10 years. But, look closer, Phil was probably a fluke in 2021, given what he has done since.
Stenson was never the same, past prime.
Garcia was never the same, past prime.
Dechambeau may have injury issues, ditto Koepka.
Watson past prime.

Some of the young blood like Smith, Reed, Ancer, Niemann are going to need to carry on and compete for top 5's or they are going to need to cycle in new faces and Munoz will not cut it.

You can't just assume they are good now, like they were a year or two or 5 ago. The OWGR helped them as much then as it doesn't now. They may not have been playing well after their majors but it got them into other majors/events, make cuts and get more points, self fulfilling prophecy. Took a long time to cycle off the top 50.

5 or 10 year major exemptions are running out and some will only have past champion status in some of the majors.

2022- Cam
2021- Phil
2020- DJ and Dechambeau
2019-Brooks
2018-Reed and Koepka twice
2017-Garcia and Koepka
2016- DJ and Stenson
2014- Bubba
2013- Phil
 
Question. This course in Arizona where they play the WM Open...the par 3 16th that is surrounded by the stands. Are they permanent or do they tear them down after the tournament?
Don't think I've ever heard the announcers over the years say, or I've missed it.
 
Question. This course in Arizona where they play the WM Open...the par 3 16th that is surrounded by the stands. Are they permanent or do they tear them down after the tournament?
Don't think I've ever heard the announcers over the years say, or I've missed it.
They tear them down. Never played the course but know some who have that say its a rather pedestrian course when the stands are gone during the year.
 
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They tear them down. Never played the course but know some who have that say its a rather pedestrian course when the stands are gone during the year.
Thanks.
Thought they did, but they are good size, carry a lot of weight, etc. Probably takes a good while to put them up...but if they can put temporary outside elevators up on high rises as they are being built for materials, workers, etc...guess these are a piece of cake.
 
That's only the 2nd hole in one I can ever remember being shown live. It's always just on tape. I would like to see Fowler pull this out and that will help.
 
Thanks.
Thought they did, but they are good size, carry a lot of weight, etc. Probably takes a good while to put them up...but if they can put temporary outside elevators up on high rises as they are being built for materials, workers, etc...guess these are a piece of cake.
They start building in October...start removal tomorrow. Each year they do something different to try and improve the viewing, access, etc.

The overall process of preparing for a PGA tournament, especially one that is in the upper tier of fan attendance, is a monstrous undertaking.
 
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Go to YouTube, Golf Subpar podcast, one or two episodes back they had the guy who was in charge of the Thunderbirds volunteer group for WMO. He explains why they have to take it down. As Cole stated above, they try to improve it every year. There is a rotation of deputies who are responsible for the 16th, three years from when they join the 16th group.
 
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Be very surprised if Tiger makes the cut. Seems to be more of helping hand by Tiger to bring in the viewers knowing LIV is ramping back up. Do not doubt his golf game can compete but that leg is a mess and unless he rides a cart I just do not see him being competitive again.
 
Genesis Invitational today:

Tiger, Rory, JT tee off 3:04 eastern. How to watch golf today:

ESPN+ 930 am eastern to 8pm eastern
Golf Channel 4eastern to 8pm


You can watch golf 10.5 hours today if u choose.
 
Be very surprised if Tiger makes the cut. Seems to be more of helping hand by Tiger to bring in the viewers knowing LIV is ramping back up. Do not doubt his golf game can compete but that leg is a mess and unless he rides a cart I just do not see him being competitive again.
Well he is getting close to being eligible for the Senior Tour and they can use carts. Going to be interesting to see if Tiger will play.
 
IF Tiger can get around like today for 72 he wins again. Looks excellent so far for 8 months off.
 
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Tiger’s golf game is not in question. It’s absurd how fast he swings the club after everything his body has been through but he has impeccable mechanics and muscle memory to be able to get the club in the perfect positions for power and accuracy. That all said, I just don’t think that leg can power through 72 holes. However, if there anyone who can will themself its Tiger.
 
Tiger’s golf game is not in question. It’s absurd how fast he swings the club after everything his body has been through but he has impeccable mechanics and muscle memory to be able to get the club in the perfect positions for power and accuracy. That all said, I just don’t think that leg can power through 72 holes. However, if there anyone who can will themself its Tiger.

His game is in question. He simply won't be able to make enough birds to keep up w/ the scoring machines that dominate these days. Perhaps you might see a once a year top 10 or something to make the media salivate, but he is no longer going to have any of the leaders looking over their shoulder.

It's great he can get out there and play, and hopefully make a few cuts when he does show up, but he is fork/done in terms of winning again.
 
Tiger just hit one of the worst putts in the history of ever. Actually, the decision to pull putter was a brain fart.
 
Given his age, physical condition, and inactivity. I think think we are just asking for the impossible from Tiger at least at this point. Who knows maybe lightning will strike one more time
 
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