Hotter oceans fuel these storms, causes them to intensify more rapidly, causes them to get much more powerful. And a hotter atmosphere, because we’re living on a currently overheating planet — hotter atmosphere holds more water, so we get these intense, intense rainfalls, which cause the sorts of flooding that’s happening right now. 30 inches of rain in a day dumped on Asheville, NC
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You're speaking in climate change generalities and talking points, which is understandable as that is all they have. However, none of this can be pinpointed to what took place in Asheville, NC and surrounding communities. Not one bit of evidence.
Note....floods have been taking place for generations. Hurricanes for generations (previously instructed you before on this)
If you have specific evidence that can be attributed to this event, then please share w/ the class.
I know there have been many predictions from the past to the present day made by persons like Al Gore that did not come true. These were largely alarmist claims of what would occur by now that have not occurred. Can the people who believe in man-made climate change point to any correct, specific predictions other than general predictions (like weather will become more extreme which is very subjective and recency bias exists)
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While @KAB Cats is revelling in his moral superiority, he failed to notice he helped me make the exact point i intended. That people are so tunnel visioned on the carbon scam, they can't be bothered to worry about the very real actual man made problems of toxic waste into land and water or the massive amounts of trash we produce.
But yes, chase down the cow farts.
But yes, chase down the cow farts.
Okay, we aren’t going anywhere here.
You made the claim that humans should do everything possible to curb climate change. You then said carbon emissions do not cause climate change.
So, my question is, how do we address climate change? You already said toxic waste doesn’t cause climate change. So, it can’t be that.
We're going somewhere, just not where you think. The focus should be on the toxicity pouring into water and soil, not the nonsense carbon tax and power grab. Problem is people like you are so well conditioned to focus on the carbon you overlook the obvious.
You just post to shitpost I’m pretty sure but whatever
Pretty powerful picture in general. That said interesting the history of the flood there of 1915. Did carbon emissions cause that too?
Why was Asheville, North Carolina flooding so bad? Rare weather events and climate change are to blame
Asheville saw a 100-year flood with Helene. The reason why is complicated. Here's what to know.
www.citizen-times.com
Large swaths of Asheville, including Biltmore Village and theiconic River Arts District were submerged under nearly 25 feet of water after the French Broad River overflowed.
But why did this happen? This "100-year flood" is no expression — the flood of 1916 in Asheville crested at 21 feet, a record that has now been smashed by Helene.
But why did this happen? This "100-year flood" is no expression — the flood of 1916 in Asheville crested at 21 feet, a record that has now been smashed by Helene.
At maximum, I disagree with this assessment and at minimum I'm skeptical. This is why.
For one, the author cited the severity of hurricanes (as a result of global warming) as a reason for the flooding in North Carolina. However, per the author's admission, they define increasing severity as high winds (per the cited Princeton study) -- not flooding. A little contextual switcheroo took place in making that claim.
Secondly, in my opinion, what the author of the article is claiming is not science. This is true for a few reasons.
1) Due to inability of being able to isolate conditions of severe weather, they are incapable of creating a logical tautology that proves global warming is culprit of the severe weather
2) Given that hurricane season is well-established for centuries, there is little distinction between a single hurricane and a longterm of trend of hurricanes of varying severity dating back decades.
Given this, someone may be able to make a claim "XYX could be due to global warming". That might be a valid claim. However, if you take any climate event in isolation and claim it's the result of climate change, it's inherently deceiving because that is not what climate is. Climate is the pattern of weather over long timespans. Nothing that took place here is anomalous or a smoking gun to that climate shifting.
I typed none of the above to prove that climate change is not taking place, but I think this is where skeptics also feel justified in their criticism because they aren't necessarily wrong about that.
Helene recovery bill estimated at 34 billion
If only we had never left the Paris Accord. No hurricanes would exist today.
Florida politicians’ climate denial draws destructive response from Helene • Florida Phoenix
I hope you readers all came through the horrors of Hurricane Helene fairly unscathed. At my rickety Craftsman humble-abode in St. Petersburg, we suffered eight or nine brownouts and scores of tree limbs knocked down, but that was it — this time. Just a few blocks away, though, the storm surge...
floridaphoenix.com
If you think that contrasting 1916 to 2024 is a matter of looking at where the water crested only, you will be susceptible to any numbers of untruths. But, I posit that if 1916 water depths happened in 2024, the Aussie golfer would still be claiming that the flood was a sole result of climate change. There is no room for nuance and an attempt to understand when dealing with many climate alarmists.
Hunga Tonga-Hunga was predicted to impact temperatures for the five years after its eruption in 1/22. Scientists concluded there had not been an eruption like it since about 1880s. I wonder why all of a sudden we experienced a once every 140 year volcanic event like that? Is man responsible?
The only way to stop this is to tax the United States more and to eat bugs.
In the 1970s, there were only 25,000 polar bears. Today, only 31,000 remain.
😂
I’m surprised that the polar bear at the Louisville zoo has survived. It gets pretty hot in his facility
The only reason that thing is alive is because I use a paper straw at Starbucks.
Emotional meteorologist on Milton ...
www.nbcmiami.com
apple.news
www.today.com
‘Just horrific': John Morales becomes emotional over Milton's explosive growth
Just before his noontime segment on air, Hurricane Specialist John Morales realized that Milton had become a Category 5 monster storm.
www.nbcmiami.com
Florida meteorologist becomes emotional on air over Hurricane Milton's staggering growth: 'Just horrific' — New York Post
Storm expert John Morales had to briefly pause in the middle of an NBC broadcast while discussing the storm raging over Yucatan, Mexico, and other states along the Gulf of Mexico.
Florida meteorologist gets emotional reporting on incoming Hurricane Milton: ‘This is just horrific’
John Morales grew visibly emotional as he warned of the devastating destruction Hurricane Milton could unleash.
www.today.com
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Evidence of weather abounds in this thread. And, I predict more weather to come.
Emotional meteorologist on Milton ...
‘Just horrific': John Morales becomes emotional over Milton's explosive growth
Just before his noontime segment on air, Hurricane Specialist John Morales realized that Milton had become a Category 5 monster storm.Florida meteorologist becomes emotional on air over Hurricane Milton's staggering growth: 'Just horrific' — New York Post
Storm expert John Morales had to briefly pause in the middle of an NBC broadcast while discussing the storm raging over Yucatan, Mexico, and other states along the Gulf of Mexico.Florida meteorologist gets emotional reporting on incoming Hurricane Milton: ‘This is just horrific’
John Morales grew visibly emotional as he warned of the devastating destruction Hurricane Milton could unleash.
Im confused. Pretty much all meteorologist agree this is going to significantly weaken before landfall.
Being emotional makes no sense.
Judging based solely on appearance, this guy must remember hurricanes Allen and Andrew from decades ago.
Yes. You are correct. Milton is currently expected to weaken, perhaps to a Cat 3. Hopefully, this happens to lessen impact. There are so many reports out there, but only the storm's unpredictability seems clear to me.
I've read that:
1) Tampa Bay area is still struggling with damage from Helene.
2) This will be the first hurricane to directly hit Tampa since 1921.
3) Tampa is one of, if not, THE most floodable cities in the country.
4) It is possible that Milton could regain strength as it crosses the gulf toward landfall.
5) Even if windspeed reduces, it is the surge of water level in Tampa that is of major concern.
I do not pretend to understand how hurricanes behave and how the combination of wind AND water affect areas. This just seems to be particularly bad, especially because it is coming on the heels of Helene. The situation is very frightening.
I take there's a trend in this data showing more frequent & intense hurricanes hitting the US by decade, but I don't see it.
I ask The Shark to sort it out & report back. Thank you.
I ask The Shark to sort it out & report back. Thank you.
I'll argue that NOLA is the most flood-prone US city hands down.
Didn’t a hurricane just hit Tampa a few years ago? First one since 1921 doesn’t seem accurate.
Here is one of many articles that talk about the claim. Perhaps being a "direct hit" is the key. Not sure, though ...
Hurricane Milton's landfall could be a first for Florida in 100 years
Milton intensified to a Category 5 and will be the first hurricane in 100 years to make a direct hit on Tampa.
www.newsweek.com
DIRECT HIT is explained here:
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This is very frightening ...
As Milton takes aim at Florida, why is Tampa Bay so vulnerable to hurricanes?
The last time the eye of a major storm like Hurricane Milton directly struck Tampa Bay was 1921 when the city was a sleepy backwater
It was hurricane Ian a couple years ago. I thought that one was supposed to directly hit Tampa then took a slight turn south, but don’t remember for sure.
Obviously this hurricane is now so it needs to be the apocalypse to grab attention.
Edit: looking at articles from late Sept 2022, looks like they thought it was going to hit Tampa and it moved further east than they were forecasting.
Obviously this hurricane is now so it needs to be the apocalypse to grab attention.
Edit: looking at articles from late Sept 2022, looks like they thought it was going to hit Tampa and it moved further east than they were forecasting.
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I predict that in the fall of each year in the Caribbean and Gulf there will be hurricanes and some will be severe.
I’m also calling for tornados every spring in tornado alley. Some will be severe.
Look at me, I’m a climate scientist! Now give me your money.
The talk about “climate disasters” leaves out the reality of people living where they’re not supposed to. If you build in a hurricane zone or a wildfire zone, there will occasionally (and maybe often) be disastrous results.
Sad to say, but even in the valleys of Appalachia, what exactly do you expect when most settlements (by necessity) are near creeks, rivers, and streams?
Nature is a bitch. Some of us act like she’s supposed to behave herself at all times.
That’s not reality.
Sad to say, but even in the valleys of Appalachia, what exactly do you expect when most settlements (by necessity) are near creeks, rivers, and streams?
Nature is a bitch. Some of us act like she’s supposed to behave herself at all times.
That’s not reality.
