I don't know but if you think what Cal is doing hasn't given us great chances to win a title in 6 of his 8 years then you simply aren't realistic about how the NCAA tourney works.
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I don't know but if you think what Cal is doing hasn't given us great chances to win a title in 6 of his 8 years then you simply aren't realistic about how the NCAA tourney works.
We may be thankful for Kevin Stallings next season.If Pitt didn't hire that jerk I doubt Johnson would be leaving.
The rest of college basketball is not getting the same caliber players we are every year...
I think he, titles, cut and zay may all be the same... rinse and repeat it enough times, makes it true
I'm not into comparisons to other departments. The Nursing program isn't building a roster to compete in athletics. THe nursing instructor isn't paid 10's of millions of dollars to build that roster.
Diallo will have eneough people in his ear saying what you are suggesting. So some of us will worry the program and the roster. This is CatsIllustrated, not DialloPause.
So the way I see it, I can be called names, told I'm a hypocrite, and whatever else the usually suspects want to peddle to discredit.
None and done is not acceptable and there has to be some push back. I'm a UK fan, I contribute to UK, and I have a right to care about the position we are in more than Diallo's Porche.
Right on. I will be willing to bet, Mitch is pissed right now. This isn't right, and Cal needs to be acountable for this.
See this is what bothers me.
If it's ok for Diallo to do this, then you can't say others can't follow suit. So if 3-5 guys per year want to just wait it out, you'd have no problem with it, right?
No bro, get in line. It's about the players first, even if that means we're the only school in the country that loses it's entire roster ever year. Championships are just a bonus. The real goal is to have a player on every NBA team.
Accountable for what? Are you saying that if you were a coach, you wouldn't take one of the top players in the country?
75k to 275k a yr for 3 yrs as two way player on NBA/nbdl roster? Coming from the inner-city, he is an example of what we will be facing. Is this a generational thing, I want it, I want it now! A product of our fast food culture? Where the possibility of ability > actual skill. World of college basketball will be forever changed from here on out.
Okay.
I'm not gonna call you names. Never have.
But nothing you're saying changes a single point I made, which was countering your claim that everyone is conditioned on this.
No, the nursing instructor isn't paid 10s of millions of dollars, but neither are the kids. And if the kids are worth that much in the open market, I think it's outrageous for some random person to tell them that they aren't allowed to go get it. So if for some reason, his training for a couple months under Cal got him there, I wouldn't begrudge him one iota for taking the money.
Now, that's not the situation for Diallo. In my analogy, he'd be leaving a scholarship for a startup company, and I would tell my son to stop being stupid if he tried to do that.
How will you know which ones will do that? Are you not going to recruit the top players ?
you mean Mitch pisses himself when the boss even looks his way? Cal owns Mitch, it's not the other way around.
First, how many one and dones are there? From a pure numbers standpoint, your odds are always low. That there are OAD even in the mix to win it speaks to how transformative that level of talent can be.
Second, Tony Bradley might be OAD. Does his presence and contribution to UNC this year really change the validity of the "system" either way?
Third, Collins is leaving Gonzaga, and with anything short of that criminal, crooked whistle, he's on the floor and Gonzaga has a great shot of cutting down the nets instead. I don't think bad officiating can prove or disprove a recruiting method.
Finally, what about the years before? I mean, in the short, short time frame it has existed, we've seen Kentucky and Duke win it all with OADs as the entire focus, Ohio State get to the title game in the same fashion, Memphis get there with Rose and Gonzaga get there with Collins.
How many teams with no talented freshmen playing a big role have done so? It's close to an even split on years, which suggests that there's a bunch of different ways to build a successful roster, and it's pointless to make any kind of definitive claim that one way is superior or the other way doesn't work.
Why'd you stop at the last two years, by the way?
I agree with players first, but when a (non)player sits the bench for a semester, with no assurance of being at uk next year, while other highly regarded recruits are making commitments to other schools, then it has to be a detriment to uk recruiting if said (non)player bolts to the nba. jmo
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No one is mad at Diallo for wanting to make money playing basketball. What is frustrating the is increasingly pervasive culture around the program that has now culminated in players like Humphries making the decision to go pro and a player basically using Kentucky as a place to practice for a few months before bolting when just one year at Kentucky would likely make him millions of dollars richer than he's going to be otherwise. Kentucky is strictly an NBA feeder program. Winning is now secondary.
If Diallo leaves, and all these Bamba to Texas rumors turn out to be true then UK will not be very good next year. That's just the way it will be, and that will mean one hell of a long season on these boards. I can almost hear the bandwagon fans that have come on board since Cal arrived disappearing into the shadows already.
And as far as I know, it has happened only ONE TIME. And he may still play here. Soooo
But that's my point. You don't know. So don't allow that kind of precedent to be set. If we get burned on this one, Cal should be clear from now on.
the point I was making was if this is OK for Diallo and nothing is wrong with it, then it's ok for anyone to do it. So theoretically, it's ok for our entire roster to just wait it out using that logic.
There are posters on this board that would have no problem if Cal said we aren't playing this year because I've got 7 guys who could easily hurt their stock by playing. They'd defend it to no end. I know it's not going to happen like that, I just don't get some of these fans. Why not just follow the NBA, Kentucky is not in their best interest. Future millionaires they don't even know are.
Shit, im worried about UK and competing for a title. I guess by today's standards I'm just a POS.
Yeah, except we ARE WINNING. You act like we never make the tournament, let alone elite eights and final fours.
You see us winning a title this year? I sure as hell don't... and then next year, when this entire group of freshmen leaves, regardless of whether they're going to get drafted or not, because that's just what you do at Kentucky, we'll start over again and be in the same situation.. It's a cycle that will continue.
We all want championships but they are really hard to win. Even with great talent.
Look at dean smith. He had Michael Jordan multiple years and was lucky to win one.
If, BIG IF, Cal gets burned this time, he may pass the next time. He may feel the player is so good, it's worth the risk.
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The whole Diallo situation as a whole is ridiculous. Regardless of what he decides to do. It isn't a good look for anyone involved at this point. Cal this, Cal that...what ever Cal says I trust yada, yada, yada....I couldn't care less what Cal says. I was a fan long before he came here and will be and fan long after he is gone. He nor the media will dictate hoe I view things as a fan of the University that I have loved since birth!
True. It's worked. I'm not running to jump off of a mountain.
Really, I'm more irritated at UK "fans" who care way more about following coach speak and defending this kind of stuff over this program. There are tons of UK players in the NBA. Why not just be a pelicans fan instead of pretending to really care about UK's chances? Not you directly, I guess it's more of a question really.
Did you see us getting to the Final Four in 2011? If championships are the only thing that makes you happy, you're going to be miserable most years.
I'm glad our new expectation is "Let's hope a young team overachieves and somehow gets to the Final Four"
Also, I always get a chuckle out of the whole "He (player) doesn't owe the fans anything". yeah let's just forget that without the fans the program wouldn't even exist. Nothing is more annoying that people in the media or others trying to tell someone how to view a team or how to be a fan.
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Is there a reason why we don't put each other on ignore? I'm having trouble understanding this. I remember agreeing with a few of your post, not others. I like it or leave it. Honestly your post are vanilla has hell so I'm never one way or the other with you. But boy, you keep coming back constantly even when a post of mine has 15 damn likes. Who's mad?
Calipari or any other UK coach for that matter could tell some of you they were Jesus Christ and you would buy in hook, line and sinker and preach it until u were blue in the face. My point you ask? Just because someone says something doesn't mean they believe it.
My gosh why don't you and some others just relax a bit. Your all speaking hypothetically and alot of what if's. Who's to say Calipari ever takes a chance like this again? I see it as no risk because the kid probably wouldn't have went to college anyway if he does go pro so what did we truly miss on? I know we can say we would have gotten someone else but who knows. Alot on here are speaking in absolutes and that's just not true.
Ok, what is your expectation? Lets see, Cal has us in the mix for the championship all but one year. What more do you expect?
Theoretically speaking if you think there's nothing wrong with it, you'd be fine with a crop of players doing it every year right? I was speaking toward the logic, not the slippery slope argument itself.
Have you seen our freshmen laden teams struggle with teams like Cleveland State or such early in the season? Before they have adjusted to Cal or college ball or whatever. Now you want to throw one in in the middle of the season and to take minutes from who? Dom?
Not to even mention chemistry. It was said he probably wouldn't play this season before he got here. Did you still want him then?
Hami coming was not a mistake just bc some of you guys got your panties in a wad by doing what he said he was going to do from the start
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