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Or we could just start running an actual offense and make some shots, Cal. Playing with energy and effort are extremely important but so is execution.
And a game plan for the type of team you will be playing next. Every coach in the country knows exactly what Cal will do, the type of defense, zero offense, so they plan around our weakness. And when you start losing to mid majors, there is a problem.

And before some of you come back with Duke this or that, or UNC this or that, or Mich St with this or that, I don't give a damn about them, that is for their fans to debate.
 
Any time you lose a game it hurts and this team is under development. That being said, if trading coaches were possible, who would you trade Cal for? I can't think of a one that I would trade him for. The truth of the matter is there is enough great players to go around for a lot of teams and it is very, very hard to win the championship every year or two.
Coach Cal is giving Kentucky a good chance to win it all just about every year he has been here. He gives Kentucky just as good of a chance as any other coach gives their team. Look at Duke last year and all they didn't accomplish.
He has kept the program clean too. That itself means a lot.
Blast away---
No one, especially me, disputes this. But something has changed since 2015 with our program. Would it hurt our coach to try something different, not be so predictable, develop some sort of offense, and defense, other than the switching and getting out of position?
 
Well I would love to hear who you losers think could replace Cal. Most of you live in a dream world.
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You're about to get your wish. Apathy is gonna set in and people will start not caring and no one will complain.

This guy think guys miss shots because they don't practice, not because of the god awful offense they're forced to play in. I don't ever want to hear we have the most knowledgeable fanbase again.

Good. Less riff raff to bitch.
 
Every loss like this gets him a little closer to leaving I would imagine. It's one thing to lose to a marquee program, it's quite another to take embarrassing losses against nobodies. If these kind of losses continue to pile up he's going to get an itch to move on because he's just not going to want to deal with it.

I"m not saying it's a good or bad thing, I'm just saying. Tonight, Evansville, Auburn and Kansas ****ing State with a FF on the line. These do more damage than the FF losses in 14 and 15. Hope I'm wrong and eventually lights the fire we need to hang 9 but I'm not seeing it right now.
I think it’s unfair to have Auburn on the list. Had any of the referees known the rules at the end their game with Virginia they probably would have won the national championship. Kansas State and Evansville I’ll give you.
 
It's not time for Cal to go but let's not act like we've been going to a final four every year either .
Don’t act like we haven’t been incredibly close to 2 in the last 3 years either. If we had beaten auburn last year you think that affects reality that much?
 
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There was a time in the Tubby era where the majority of fans knew we needed to move on. We appreciated his winning the title with Pitino’s players and all the success he had after that, but we collectively knew his days were numbered.

Am I alone in wondering if we’re not seeing the same thing with Cal? This team has absolutely no shot at being special. Next year there’s going to be a logjam, meaning more transfers and disgruntled players. It really is, and has been for the past three seasons, a hot mess.

We can all remember how, at Memphis, he assembled athletes, but not many basketball players. He’s gotten back to that, and it just doesn’t work in 2019.

We are witnessing the beginning of the end.

Blast away.
Sad to say, but I think you may be correct. I'm optimistic about next season. But anyone who isn't concerned by our last few seasons, well, I don't know what to tell you.
 
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I'm particularly tired of watching UK teams come out without passion because they're loafing. What's the punishment for such lethargy?
It needs to be brutal. Because another brutal loss puts real pressure on Cal. By no means do I hope we lose, but if we’re f
It's just time. Everything has an ending. Stevens would be a perfect fit here.
That’s right. Everything has an end. And this is the beginning of the end for Cal. A good salesmen knows whether or not people are going to buy the product, and Cal is a good salesmen. He knows that his product isn’t good, and that more and more people are recognizing it. He uses social media and makes one sales pitch after another. He talks about tweaks and how he likes his team, but in spite of this, more and more of us just aren’t buying it.

It won’t be this year or the year after. But the pressure is mounting. And, lifetime contract or not, this will all come crumbling down soon enough.

There were really good times.

But he is certainly trending down.
 
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He cant suit up and win the game. Lets just hope he can get in their heads and change the way they think about basketball.
 
It always is around here. It is always next years class is loaded, then they look just like last years team. I stopped thinking about next years class 4 years ago, because, it is wash, rinse and repeat.
Very true. Remember preseason when Cal was saying this is a great 3 point shooting team. Maybe his best ever. And what are we 326th in all of college basketball.

Cal is showing us more and more every day he wants to be a politician. He has the heart of one and speaks like one
 
I feel like your response isn’t to the message you quoted.
No, it is though looking through the thread it probably would've been better for someone else. All of you being critical of Cal should look around college basketball this season and see that nobody is that great. This entire thread is just ridiculous, college basketball teams lose, great programs have down years. This could be a down year for uk. We still have one of the best coaches in the country.
 
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To me it’s simple, he recruits athletes and needs to have more guys that can flat shoot it.
We are always athletic and rarely have multiple shooters on any given team.

Herro was very much an anomaly for Cal.
Booker, Murray....
 
Time for another phase in Kentucky basketball. Tired of this particular song and dance album. Kentucky was great before Cal and will be after.
Actually we sucked the two year before Cal and wasn’t much better the 5 years before that.
 
No, it is though looking through the thread it probably would've been better for someone else. All of you being critical of Cal should look around college basketball this season and see that nobody is that great. This entire thread is just ridiculous, college basketball teams lose, great programs have down years. This could be a down year for uk. We still have one of the best coaches in the country.

No, we do not have one of the best coaches in the country. The product that apparently most here see on the court, isn't "well coached". It's one thing to lack athleticism. It's entirely another to lack basic fundamentals. We used to have the best recruiter in the country. He isn't that anymore, either. There are definitely some title contenders this year. We ain't one of them. We weren't last year, either, or before that. You will disagree, but it won't be long before you're expecting everyone to agree with you that a change needs to be made.
 
No, it is though looking through the thread it probably would've been better for someone else. All of you being critical of Cal should look around college basketball this season and see that nobody is that great. This entire thread is just ridiculous, college basketball teams lose, great programs have down years. This could be a down year for uk. We still have one of the best coaches in the country.
I think it's the fact that we've had several "down years". That makes a pattern. I think that's what has some of us concerned. I'm hoping Cal has a fantastic year, next year. A return to pre-2016 success. Cause it ain't happening this season.
 
its hard to argue with his recruiting. He may have slipped in that he doesn't hand pick the players anymore but there is no one on his par with recruiting, not even Coach K in terms of consistency

Now achieving results comparable to the talent he has? - that's the point to debate.

With this scheduling we have, its an admission of a failure at some level with Cal.

The maddening part of this is we'll probably beat OSU.
 
No, just no. I really can't believe we have fans do this after every loss. Is there things Cal needs to work on, absolutely. When things are changing in college basketball, Cal has always been ahead of the curve. He has been the trendsetter, not a follower. Have we all forgotten all the people that try to emulate Cal? He does something like pro day and immediately other schools copy. Cal's offense of system needs work and he is aware. Part of it is figuring out this team, which he still has plenty of time. After this year, I think he needs to really consider working on spacing. You know something that opens things up and a lot of his offense would click. I think he was trying to implement more of it this year but our shooters haven't produced yet. I hope we have Allen back this year, he is a deadly shooter and instant offense (as long as he is what he was, before the injury). Guys will settle in soon and hopefully we get a healthy team back. If that all happens, this team is still a title contender.

I know it sucks right now, two bad losses as most would consider them. By tournament time look for us to be up there in the title conversation. This team is inconsistent at the moment but let's see what happens the next couple games. They very well may roll through UL and OSU, then we will look a bit better. I have a feeling that's what we are about to see. Then with the break in January we become more consistent and get better and better. We haven't been blown out by any team thus far, just some goofy let down games. Now if we get destroyed or drop both of those big games, we might have to understand we are just a tournament team.

Still with this teams potential and Cal as coach, I think we will be fine.
 
This gets so tiring. EVERY fan feels like their program "should have been". Should and Could do not matter in the end. What matters is that we DIDN'T.
Of course results matter and obviously we want to win. My point is that a close loss in an elite 8 is an indistinguishable margin from a final four when you’re using final fours as your baseline of success. What you’re saying is that the talent and coaching have gotten so bad that we aren’t a final four contender when just last year we were by any standard of evaluation.
 
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No, just no. I really can't believe we have fans do this after every loss. Is there things Cal needs to work on, absolutely. When things are changing in college basketball, Cal has always been ahead of the curve. He has been the trendsetter, not a follower. Have we all forgotten all the people that try to emulate Cal? He does something like pro day and immediately other schools copy. Cal's offense of system needs work and he is aware. Part of it is figuring out this team, which he still has plenty of time. After this year, I think he needs to really consider working on spacing. You know something that opens things up and a lot of his offense would click. I think he was trying to implement more of it this year but our shooters haven't produced yet. I hope we have Allen back this year, he is a deadly shooter and instant offense (as long as he is what he was, before the injury). Guys will settle in soon and hopefully we get a healthy team back. If that all happens, this team is still a title contender.

I know it sucks right now, two bad losses as most would consider them. By tournament time look for us to be up there in the title conversation. This team is inconsistent at the moment but let's see what happens the next couple games. They very well may roll through UL and OSU, then we will look a bit better. I have a feeling that's what we are about to see. Then with the break in January we become more consistent and get better and better. We haven't been blown out by any team thus far, just some goofy let down games. Now if we get destroyed or drop both of those big games, we might have to understand we are just a tournament team.

Still with this teams potential and Cal as coach, I think we will be fine.
Cal haters will ignore this great post and call you a sunshine pumper for being a rational fan lol
 
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Say to say, but I think you may be correct. I'm optimistic about next season. But anyone who isn't concerned by our last few seasons, well, I don't know what to tell you.

Here are some of the ways this turns around and the fan base becomes united:

- Final Four this season.
- Sign another top 5 player to go with Clarke. Clarke and Boston alone won't cut it anymore than PJ and Herro could cut it last year.
- Bring back the majority of the current roster.

If none of these options happen, the fan base will continue to unravel.

People talk about next year's class, but it needs another star to really make the fans excited. Clarke is a stud, and Boston is Maxey-level good, but Cal needs one more big fish to get this thing off the runway.
 
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I think it's the fact that we've had several "down years". That makes a pattern. I think that's what has some of us concerned. I'm hoping Cal has a fantastic year, next year. A return to pre-2016 success. Cause it ain't happening this season.

Obviously I hope your last point is wrong, but I fear it may be correct. For one, I'm not sure that my using the worn-out line of "well the rest of college basketball sucks" has much more longevity when it comes to reasons why this UK team has a chance at a title in April.

At some point, UK needs to become a very good team that plays to win instead of playing to merely compete for stretches. It won't matter if the rest of the landscape is marginal if our own guys don't make the necessary strides. There is obviously still time, but I haven't seen any improvement yet, and that's distressing.
 
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