Would you obey a mask mandate?

[WildcatofNati]

Well let's see who to believe PhDcat2018 or the Mayo Clinic? I'll have to think on that

BTW Denmark did not imply a herd immunity strategy, they used a more isolation approach like most all countries. Sweden's death rate per capita is the highest in Europe and they are moving away from the herd immunity approach.

I wish herd immunity worked but unfortunately the evidence doesn't support it and all you wind up doing is killing a lot of people needlessly and overloading the medical system to the breaking point.

The Swedish death rate per capita is far from the highest in Europe.

As for herd immunity, it may be closer than expected in Europe as cases are plummeting even after re-opening and with mask requirements only in certain countries. The percentage of the populace to be infected before herd immunity takes effect may be lower than 70 percent, depending on how many are able to beat the infection off through their own immune system.

www.off-guardian.org/2020/07/07/second-wave-not-even-close/

 

[Bill Derington]

Well let's see who to believe PhDcat2018 or the Mayo Clinic? I'll have to think on that

BTW Denmark did not imply a herd immunity strategy, they used a more isolation approach like most all countries. Sweden's death rate per capita is the highest in Europe and they are moving away from the herd immunity approach.

I wish herd immunity worked but unfortunately the evidence doesn't support it and all you wind up doing is killing a lot of people needlessly and overloading the medical system to the breaking point.

Defense, read the link I posted, they do not count deaths the same in Sweden and Denmark.
It’s impossible to compare nations if nations like the US and Sweden count death with Covid tge sane as death by Covid, and other nations only count death by Covid.
Surely you can see the difference?

 

[Get Bucket$]

Oh it definitely will result in things opening back up - but for all the wrong reasons. Executive orders and intrusions on rights must be specifically tailored to address an identifiable problem.

The science is clear - masks don't work. The numbers don't lie - we are in no more danger than we were the day before the mask. Or back in March when this first started. So he fails on both, when he must prevail in both.

Circling back - we shouldn't have to perform displays of fealty in order to have our freedoms back. By any measure, that's exactly what a mask order is.

I really can’t imagine a scenario where Andy is like great everyone wore their masks, let’s open it back up!

 

[goukcatsgo]

I really can’t imagine a scenario where Andy is like great everyone wore their masks, let’s open it back up!

its “open”... its whether he closes it back up.

outside of sports there isn’t much you can’t do.

 

[BernieSadori]

Yes.

I don't like it, but if it keeps the doors open for businesses to operate, then it's a small sacrifice to make.

I'm not sure how effective they are when the overwhelming majority of people don't wash them daily. Just a bunch of masked people constantly touching a dirty rag multiple times throughout the day.

 

[PhDcat2018]

Well let's see who to believe PhDcat2018 or the Mayo Clinic? I'll have to think on that

BTW Denmark did not imply a herd immunity strategy, they used a more isolation approach like most all countries. Sweden's death rate per capita is the highest in Europe and they are moving away from the herd immunity approach.

I wish herd immunity worked but unfortunately the evidence doesn't support it and all you wind up doing is killing a lot of people needlessly and overloading the medical system to the breaking point.

You don't understand man. If herd immunity isn't possible then the vaccine won't work. Vaccines bring about herd immunity by way of infecting the body with an attenuated version of the virus. That's how small pox was eradicated.

 

[Deeeefense]

You don't understand man. If herd immunity isn't possible then the vaccine won't work. Vaccines bring about herd immunity by way of infecting the body with an attenuated version of the virus. That's how small pox was eradicated.

Yea I realize vaccines create herd immunity but we don't have one yet

 

[PhDcat2018]

Yea I realize vaccines create herd immunity but we don't have one yet

Exactly, which is why the next option is to hope we reach that level soon. Naturally with minimal complications.

 

[warrior-cat]

Went out for lunch today with wife and daughter Then a couple of stores for some shopping. About half wore mask and no one complained either way. Got a few mean looks from some hispanic folks at the Mexican restaurant we went to probably for the shirt I wore.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I really can’t imagine a scenario where Andy is like great everyone wore their masks, let’s open it back up!

Don't take it from me. He said it.

 

[Hankshaker]

To be fair, that is an obnoxious shirt.

 

[Spocks Brain]

Went out for lunch today with wife and daughter Then a couple of stores for some shopping. About half wore mask and no one complained either way. Got a few mean looks from some hispanic folks at the Mexican restaurant we went to probably for the shirt I wore.

Cool shirt.

 

[warrior-cat]

Cool shirt.

I like your sig. Great episode btw. Yeah, the company for the shirt is called Warrior 12. They have a lot of great T-shirts and hoodie. I have about 12 of them of different messages.

 

[warrior-cat]

To be fair, that is an obnoxious shirt.

Depends on the point of view I suppose. Either way it expresses my feelings. Wait until you see the rest of them. More to the point than that one.

 

[warrior-cat]

Just came from a birthday party of a next door neighbor. He turned 50 and about 50 people were there. Mostly retired or currently serving military including his wife who is a CW3. No mask. Most that I know in the military frown on wearing it.

 

[Tannerdad]

I say wear the mask when you can. Quit being a pussy.

 

[CastleRubric]

Oh it definitely will result in things opening back up - but for all the wrong reasons. Executive orders and intrusions on rights must be specifically tailored to address an identifiable problem.

The science is clear - masks don't work. The numbers don't lie - we are in no more danger than we were the day before the mask. Or back in March when this first started. So he fails on both, when he must prevail in both.

Circling back - we shouldn't have to perform displays of fealty in order to have our freedoms back. By any measure, that's exactly what a mask order is.

Well done - yes

I’m generally done talking about what’s transpiring right now but I had to note appreciation for your remarks about the masks at least

In two Knoxville locations about a block apart today I see a “governor requests “ you wear but not enforced ....and then next door — can’t come in without a mask - calling people out etc but then walking you to a seat twenty feet away to sit and eat / drink/ cough and pick your nose without a mask at all


It’ll get worse - start thinking about what you’re going to do when faced with a “decision moment”

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Well done - yes

I’m generally done talking about what’s transpiring right now but I had to note appreciation for your remarks about the masks at least

In two Knoxville locations about a block apart today I see a “governor requests “ you wear but not enforced ....and then next door — can’t come in without a mask - calling people out etc but then walking you to a seat twenty feet away to sit and eat / drink/ cough and pick your nose without a mask at all


It’ll get worse - start thinking about what you’re going to do when faced with a “decision moment”

Thanks and I agree it will get worse. These governors are now in a test of wills against the people. They're trying to totally control that which refuses to be totally controlled - the American people. The refusal to be dominated results in an restrictions continuing to ratchet up; despite the fact the virus is no worse than day 1.

Will they eventually concede this and put their focus on treatment instead of prevention (since it's unpreventable)? Or will the ever increasing desire to bring the total populace to heel continue?

Unfortunately if past behavior is any indication - it'll be the latter.

 

[PhDcat2018]

Thanks and I agree it will get worse. These governors are now in a test of wills against the people. They're trying to totally control that which refuses to be totally controlled - the American people. The refusal to be dominated results in an restrictions continuing to ratchet up; despite the fact the virus is no worse than day 1.

Will they eventually concede this and put their focus on treatment instead of prevention (since it's unpreventable)? Or will the ever increasing desire to bring the total populace to heel continue?

Unfortunately if past behavior is any indication - it'll be the latter.

That's the thing though, the governor is an elected official. If he violates the law, the people and the attorney can remove him. He cannot create a mandate that cannot be overturned by the legislature or judicial branch. There's a reason the injunction was filed in the courts. Ole andy cannot control the state.

 

[Spocks Brain]

I like your sig. Great episode btw. Yeah, the company for the shirt is called Warrior 12. They have a lot of great T-shirts and hoodie. I have about 12 of them of different messages.

Thanks man.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

That's the thing though, the governor is an elected official. If he violates the law, the people and the attorney can remove him. He cannot create a mandate that cannot be overturned by the legislature or judicial branch. There's a reason the injunction was filed in the courts. Ole andy cannot control the state.

He had the health department promulgate regs that echoed his order. So it's a moot point and would need to be addressed another way.

I'm not sure what will stop him in terms of changing his point of view. He has tunnel vision and it's 1) killed our economy 2) sewn major division and 3) had no impact on the virus

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Already wear one. It makes others feel more comfortable: old people, the sick, businesses..

Ive posted this before, but this would be a great opprotunity for the right to extend an olive branch and just say "fine, we'll wear a mask because it makes you feel better". Everyone wants the other political party to meet halfway. This is it. Do it for the sick and do it so that maybe the Left will do the same down the road.. or at least so they will shut the **** up about it.

 

[lakercat]

Good evening, Sheep. You won't have to worry about me not wearing a mask because I'm back in the hospital since Wednesday morning. My mesh failed again (incisional hernia - 3" above the naval) which means they will do a very invasive surgery soon. Have had dozens of surgeries in the stomach/belly and this is what I get. Anyway, I think Andy is awful, but I would obey for a couple of weeks, although I do not believe that he has the authority to enforce such compliance. I'm sick as crap and it has zero to do with COVID.

 

[UKvisitor]

Gov Andy might not have a right to make you wear a mask. IDK.
Retail business do have the right to say this:

 

[cole854]

Good evening, Sheep. You won't have to worry about me not wearing a mask because I'm back in the hospital since Wednesday morning. My mesh failed again (incisional hernia - 3" above the naval) which means they will do a very invasive surgery soon. Have had dozens of surgeries in the stomach/belly and this is what I get. Anyway, I think Andy is awful, but I would obey for a couple of weeks, although I do not believe that he has the authority to enforce such compliance. I'm sick as crap and it has zero to do with COVID.

Get well soon...

And for having zero to do with covid...well, in your eyes only. Once the hospital submits your test, you are now another positive hospitalization stat regardless of what you went in for.

 

[UKvisitor]

Total number of cases of coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths percentage in the United States as of July 10, 2020, by state:
https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases

 

[The-Hack]

Sure, I will follow the suggestion/mandate/common sense to wear a mask.

Folks complaining about it need to look no farther back than to 1918/19. This ain’t our first rodeo on pandemics, and mask wearing wasn’t invented by Breshear or Trump.

 

[warrior-cat]

Gov Andy might not have a right to make you wear a mask. IDK.
Retail business do have the right to say this:

Yes but, that is the not the point being made. Businesses have always been able to state what is acceptable for you to enter. Those people who throw tantrums at stores that require it don't represent what we are saying, comply or get out. The ladies recording the man in a store that is not wearing one because it is not mandatory to enter do not have the right to harass him to wear it. You don't like it keep your distance, if he persist in getting in your face then you have a right to report. That was not the case. This concept is really not different than businesses where no weapons signs in a concealed or even opened carried state have been and people have not complained. Either comply or don't go in. That is not the problem. Making it mandatory in or out by governors or local politicians is. Keeping people from going to church, park, party, etc...is.

 

[UKvisitor]

Yes but, that is the not the point being made. Businesses have always been able to state what is acceptable for you to enter. Those people who throw tantrums at stores that require it don't represent what we are saying, comply or get out. The ladies recording the man in a store that is not wearing one because it is not mandatory to enter do not have the right to harass him to wear it. You don't like it keep your distance, if he persist in getting in your face then you have a right to report. That was not the case. This concept is really not different than businesses where no weapons signs in a concealed or even opened carried state have been and people have not complained. Either comply or don't go in. That is not the problem. Making it mandatory in or out by governors or local politicians is. Keeping people from going to church, park, party, etc...is.

Some of us don't know the difference and don't care about you or me.
They want to do what they want and FTW.
I don't confront those that don't want to work together to possibly slow this virus down and are so self asborbing. I do get away from them as quickly as possible and hope my mask helps me little bit.
I do limit my distance from them.

 

[warrior-cat]

Some of us don't know the difference and don't care about you or me.
They want to do what they want and FTW.

Agreed, those are the ones to avoid and if they get in your face either repel them or get someone who can. But, there seems to be a different set of rules for people in reference to the virus which makes people wonder just how bad this virus is or isn't.

 

[UKvisitor]

Agreed, those are the ones to avoid and if they get in your face either repel them or get someone who can. But, there seems to be a different set of rules for people in reference to the virus which makes people wonder just how bad this virus is or isn't.

The US leads the world in covid cases and the US doesn't have even close to the largest population. I blame that on management.
We just have the largest population of selfish fools.
Coronavirus world map: which countries have the most Covid-19 cases and deaths?

 

[warrior-cat]

The US leads the world in covid cases and the US doesn't have even close to the largest population. I blame that on management.
We just have the largest population of selfish fools.
Coronavirus world map: which countries have the most Covid-19 cases and deaths?

But not in deaths per capita. Perhaps herd immunity is the way to go.

 

[thebluestripes]

nothing gets past chewie

 

[UKvisitor]

But not in deaths per capita. Perhaps herd immunity is the way to go.

What is herd immunity and how does it work? I hope not like the old vid game of lemmons.
Really, what is herd immunity? I haven't researched it because it sounds like blind followings.

 

[goukcatsgo]

But not in deaths per capita. Perhaps herd immunity is the way to go.

the # of deaths has nothing to do with herd immunity. Our death rate is low due to our healthcare system and the relative health and age of our population.

 

[goukcatsgo]

The US leads the world in covid cases and the US doesn't have even close to the largest population. I blame that on management.
We just have the largest population of selfish fools.
Coronavirus world map: which countries have the most Covid-19 cases and deaths?

you believe China and Russia are telling the truth? You think India is testing enough people to track who has it and who doesn’t?

 

[UKvisitor]

you believe China and Russia are telling the truth? You think India is testing enough people to track who has it and who doesn’t?

NO I do not believe China or Russia reports. Leave them out and where do we stand?
What about India? Are they telling the truth?
We still lead the world. How many countries do you think are on this planet?

 

[goukcatsgo]

NO I do not believe China or Russia reports. Leave them out and where do we stand?

do you believe India and Mexico who have tested 1/15th and 1/25th as we have? With positivity rates way past ours?

comparing raw #’s is foolish. I’m not arguing whether anybody has handled this correctly, but using raw #’s when comparing is foolish

 

[UKvisitor]

do you believe India and Mexico who have tested 1/15th and 1/25th as we have? With positivity rates way past ours?

comparing raw #’s is foolish. I’m not arguing whether anybody has handled this correctly, but using raw #’s when comparing is foolish

Really, With America is Great Again, we shouldn't even be near the top of anything like this.
We should show the rest of the world how it is done properly. That just me thinking about a great america.
Yet there is other countries not with the problems the US has who have done better handling this..

 

[goukcatsgo]

Really, With America is Great Again, we shouldn't even be near the top of anything like this.
We should show the rest of the world how it is done properly. That just me thinking about a great america.

political nut jobs on both sides of this make it impossible to have a serious conversation about this. Have a great day.