And Gran was forced to play that style because of QB injuries, etc. Gran is a quality coordinator. The problem he now has is the perception of not throwing the ball, so that may hamper his effectiveness if he got that job again. Unfortunately, perception is everything, but Gran knows what he is doing.
Who is our next OC?
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Like to see Tim as our athletic director be good for both basketball and football Barnhart has killed our basketball program and our football coach is underachieving all three need to go love to see Tim couch as a ad
Yes but you can't compare his situation with that of the regular person because it isn't the same. He just spent a season telling anyone who's listen that he was putting down roots. Then just a few days ago he told kids he was staying. But now we find out he not only is taking a new job, but he was actually interviewing for jobs (more than the reported interest) all along.
Not only did he leave, but for apparently less money and hitching to a journeyman QB and a team on shaky ground. Shouldn't surprise us because the bears are much worse off and apparently he wanted that job.
That's just very poor character. If he stayed silent on it all, noone would have a complaint
He was an offensive analysis with Monken and came with him to UGA. His expertise is QB, Monken was a schemer and game planner. I was disappointed when he went to Tech but it was a good opportunity. Kids liked him. I like him but that opinion doesn't mean much. 3 names with UGA connections I seen Mentioned he would be my choice.
We could do worse. Eddie at least knows how to run the ball in short yardage situations and inside the 10 yard line.
Get him a good passing game coordinator/QB coach and let's go!
The Bucs had an opening at OC because the one last yr got the Panthers job
Who knows, maybe Coen sees a chance to ride Mayfield in '24 and land a big chair for '25. If not sooner if ownership got tired of Bowles
For what Stoops really wants to do Gran is fine. Recruit a road grader OL, pick up some power RBs, get a running QB and some blocking WRs and TEs that are OK with blocking 99% of the time. As long as Stoops is HC that's the best we cam hope for.
I don't want to see Liam Coen on this campus ever again. Take your junk to Goodwill and get the hell out.
This is also not a ringing endorsement of either the coaching ability or the intellect of Mark Stoops. Coen was not that good with us either year; to have hired him a second time showed signs of desperation and inadequate planning and networking. Frankly, I'm glad this disengenuous guy (prick) is gone. We do not need that kind of person on this or any other Kentucky sports staff, period.
Stoops fired his very good close fired Gran because, despite those on here or social media insist, he wanted to go beyond being a 7-5 coach.
So he knew that meant much better QB play. And that lead him to the most effective widely used scheme now in the NFL, the McVey Shanahan system.
Does he stay with that scheme? Or a more college friendly playcaller like Morehead or Rees?
So he knew that meant much better QB play. And that lead him to the most effective widely used scheme now in the NFL, the McVey Shanahan system.
Does he stay with that scheme? Or a more college friendly playcaller like Morehead or Rees?
We could do a lot worse than Eddie. He gets a bad rap from a lot of our fans, but guy is a damn good OC.
This is the problem with having a defensive HC who dosen't care about offensive side.
The reality may be risking another year where your system is too slow OR taking the money drop and going for broke in the only league where it might work....
Gran didn’t get fired bc of fans. He got fired bc of inability to recruit and in this era you would have MAC level wide receivers. People have forgotten what a damaging recruiter he was with all the bad takes.
Probably Eddie Gran....that would be the most Stoops like move ever
I’m curious too. He is the complete opposite of charismatic. He sounded like a robot when he was doing press conferences at MSU.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I am liking the option of Tommy Rees. He has 4 years of experience as an OC at major college football programs. He's extremely young at 31, so he should have lots of energy for recruiting. And he should relate well to players. His time at Notre Dame and Alabama means he has spent time recruiting key areas we need to recruit well. And that also means he's had multiple years of establishing relationships with recruits, most of them high end talents. He might be able to steer some of those UK's way.
The only negatives I can find with hiring someone so young is the fact that he has lots of ambition and like Coen, may not stick around long. Being young, he may also be less likely to stand his ground and be willing to bump heads with Stoops when it comes to managing his offense. These are two areas where an older guy like Moorhead might be a better option. But recruiting is so important that the strengths of a guy like Rees may trump the experience of Moorhead, who isn't very personable.
The only negatives I can find with hiring someone so young is the fact that he has lots of ambition and like Coen, may not stick around long. Being young, he may also be less likely to stand his ground and be willing to bump heads with Stoops when it comes to managing his offense. These are two areas where an older guy like Moorhead might be a better option. But recruiting is so important that the strengths of a guy like Rees may trump the experience of Moorhead, who isn't very personable.
Are you talking about the same Gran that won 10 games including the citrus?
If we're talking 7 wins being the top, Gran got 8 with the top 3 QBs out. Salvaging our 2019 season with a wr at QB after completely changing our offense three times, twice during the season. It was such a an incredible job it literally reduced Chris doehring to tears on the sec post season wrap up.
The notion we were a 7-5 program with him is just not true. His last season was the worst during covid playing an all sec schedule having one of his best friends die mid season and his QB coach basically quit after Mizzou.
I know fans thought he was boring and I know for perception sake we needed a change. But I don't understand the revisionist history and general dislike for someone that was the difference in getting us over the 5 win hump while winning alot of games under some difficult circumstances (his daughter died during his oc time too).
I’ve always said this. If I hear one more “But duh wildcat!!!!” comment
Gran had success but it was time for him to go. The QB and Wr recruiting was unacceptable. As far as new OC Moorhead or the guy from GT.
Didn’t we think we were getting that with Scangrillo? Didn’t Cien recommend him?
Stoops has done nothing to merit being replaced. You and others may not like the outcome of the past couple of seasons, but nevertheless he is still the winningest coach in school history and changed the perception of the program. Stoops will leave on his own and if this off season is any indication, his loyalty is waning. There was speculation of Ferentz retiring at Iowa, looks like that may still be a year or two off, but I have to think Stoops is eyeing that eventuality.
Personally, I don't want "continuity" with the Shanahan/McVey offense. The people who run that are NFL guys, not college guys and they simply won't stick at this level. That also highly limits the pool of available replacements when we inevitably have to replace an OC from that coaching tree after he leaves after one year. That is how we ended up with dud Scang.
Gimme the offenses that Bama or Georgia run. That is similar enough and probably much less complicated overall, thus more suitable at the college level.
Gimme the offenses that Bama or Georgia run. That is similar enough and probably much less complicated overall, thus more suitable at the college level.
Coordinators are going to look to move up the food chain, that's the nature of the beast. Rees will be a hot name in coming years because of what he's achieved at an early age. For me it's Rees or Faulkner, don't think UK could go wrong with either. But people are going to have to understand....this is a very competitive situation, getting 2-3 years out of most guys would be all that we'd expect.
I'd be very happy with 2-3 years. And I agree with you, my two favorites for the open position have become Rees and Faulkner. The more I think about it, the more apparent it becomes that these guys are perfect for what we need. Young, charismatic, solid recruiters that are also excellent X's and O's guys. Rees has a bit better resume, but Faulkner has the advantage of being thoroughly familiar with Vandagriff.
That was in fact the problem with Gran, in addition to seemingly being a package deal with a QB coach we pretty much all agree was a dud. He seems like a great guy and is definitely a strong X&O coach at least in the run game, but despite us managing 10 wins behind an all-time defense in 2018, you have to be able to recruit and have some semblance of balance on offense in order to consistently compete in the SEC, and we were looking at neither by the end of his tenure. If he had stayed on, there was a good chance we were looking at Beau Allen being our starting QB as a true sophomore with Isaiah Epps as his top target. Does anybody think that team would have even sniffed 10 wins?
Made one of the best in season adjustments of any OC going at the time. Completely scrapped the main plan and kept developing a new one.
Yeah that was it. Stoops started off here signing several 4 star and regarded recievers but by year 8 we were just a 3 yard and dist team that couldn’t get anybody that didn’t want to show up and block every play so we were boxed in. With the portal just starting that year he changed the narrative quickly to get wandale back etc who left in the first place because 3 yards and a cloud…
I still don't understand the infatuation with Sumrall.... it's like the "it's not your money!" crowds wet dream..... same people that were saying " build the statue!" a year ago. There are better, proven options out there. Give it some time and he may fully prove himself.
1 Boise St OC
2 Notre Dame QB Coach ( Fort Thomas Highlands Alum)
3 Dana ex WVA HC and Houston HC ( his hair reminds me of Bill Murray’s in Kingpin)
2 Notre Dame QB Coach ( Fort Thomas Highlands Alum)
3 Dana ex WVA HC and Houston HC ( his hair reminds me of Bill Murray’s in Kingpin)
Faulkner probably has better recruiting contacts in the south, read GA/FL. He's #1 with me with Rees #2 BUT....a guy I'd like to see at least get an interview is Rams passing game coordinator Jake Peetz. He also interviewed with the Bucs, would continue with what foundation Coen has laid with the system UK has recruited to thru the portal. Another young guy, around 40 I think.
You’re comparing apples to oranges. Of course you’d trade their record for ours. I would too. But if he can’t put a dominate offense on the field at Alabama what makes you think he’s gonna do that at UK with far lesser talent?
Bama lost to Texas and Michigan ... 2 pretty good teams.... Milroe was a year one starter and was brand spankin new in one of those losses..... Michigan's defense destroyed alot more than the Bama offense last year....
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