Come on man. Criticism is ok, bust and soft are not Criticism.
Time to say on Edwards
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I am too. Starting is not working for him it appears to me.
Do you remember the coury flurry days? When Billy G got us in a hole basically every single game because he worked hard in practice?
Also I remember the sweet 16 game where freshman Nick Richards had to start and we got off to a 10-1 deficit to never recover from.
I don’t know how many examples you will find overall in the NCAA though because generally most coaches and teams try to start their best players that help them to win the game.
we all assume Edwards is gone at the end of this year, right? But at this point I think there’s about a 0% chance he gets drafted in the 1st round.
1. He's a bust in comparion to his pre-season hype and HS rank. And because players don't stay longer than 1 year with Cal 95 percent of the time. He's a bust when compared to his hype and rank
2. He is soft. I don't see how that's not criticism. He avoids contact and openly shys away from it at times.
I'm asking about UK under Cal in ncaa tourney. I'm not looking it up because I'm not the guy throwing a random ass stat with no facts out there.
Idc about Billy g and coury.
And that game was 2018 kstate and UK literally led by 1 with 90 seconds to play. I dont think richards 8 minutes is the reason they lost and he wasnt the sole reason they got down 13 to 1 to start that game. And it looks like he started because we had no other options at center that season and that's on the coach 100%.
If he doesn’t return, this team cant make a deep run, imo.
His play against KU was so critical to us having any chance in that game. There are times where you can only win when you have a guy that relentlessly attacks the rim, makes follow slams that no one else on the court can make, and is happy to be the last option on offense, while playing lockdown defense.
We can advance in the tournament without him, but I don’t think we can advance very far.
Well there is an example and yes I was at the game and richards was absolutely the reason they started off down 13-1 or whatever it was to 1 if you go rewatch the game.
Yes if a player plays 8 minutes and in that 8 minutes the team is -12 and they lose the game by 3 that makes a difference.
Whether you like cal or love him or hate him that has nothing to do with it, that is common sense.
At this point, he should be coming in mostly before media timeouts to give guys extended rest, like other teams do and Cal used to do when he had a shorter bench, or when UK has a lead they aren't nervous about losing.
It's on Edwards to commit and develop into a better player, which might mean a second year of college, or throw away what could have been a promising professional career.
There's zero doubt for me that rumors of him never being in the weight room, not putting in voluntary time in the gym working on his game, etc., are true at this point. He is slow, looks like he doesn't lift weights, and has terrible body language. Doesn't carry himself like a player dedicated to his craft or all that emotionally engaged in success.
I'm a Thiero fan too, but the potential season implications of a back issue that's caused him to be out this long are starting to be concerning to me. I agree Thiero is needed.
Individually starting Edwards hasn’t worked so why not bring him off of the bench to see if that could maybe improve his play .
Cal has clearly cut his overall minutes so if you can do that and not worry about his confidence why not have him come off of the bench to see if they helps him mentally ?
Cal has clearly cut his overall minutes so if you can do that and not worry about his confidence why not have him come off of the bench to see if they helps him mentally ?
Hard to disagree. The guy is a 20 year old high D-1 level athlete and has no muscle definition in his arms or shoulders. I was shredded in college and I just did it for the girls (sorry that’s a douche thing to say but it’s accurate). I lifted my ass off without any money on the line.
The only NBA team that drafts him is the one that owes Rich Paul a favor.
Or, one that doesn't spend any time reviewing his actual film from UK ... instead, relying solely on his HS highlight reels and ranking (NBA teams aren't this lazy).
If he played anywhere else this season, he would almost certainly be a college sophomore next season.
I remember saying Tyty Washington did exactly 0 things at an NBA level, clearly was not working hard in the weight room, and I didn’t see how he was worth a 1st round pick at the end of his freshman year.
It was miraculous he got picked in the 1st round. And he was a MUCH better college player than Edwards. Someone want to tell me how his NBA career is going?
That's where I'm at now. It's worth trying a different approach with him at this point. Only question would be if bringing him off the bench messes with the flow of the rest of the team.
Every time Burks is out there, I think to myself, "This is the guy who led OTE in scoring?? The league that had Dillingham and several lottery picks throughout???" I mean, he literally air-balled an alley-oop against Texas A&M.
I was going to reply that he air balled an alley oop and then you got it in there. That was wild 😂
I don’t think it would. I think you replace him with Reed. Rob had the perfect game to give a spark off the bench and hopefully the change will light a fire under Edwards .
There have been a few post saying his work ethic is bad which if that’s true that’s very disappointing.
There are more guaranteed contracts in the 2nd round than ever before ... becoming expected. Livingston's deal was silly, but that's what Klutch can do.
I’m at the point where I don’t even see him as a 2nd rounder. I’d take Livingston over him. I just mean if I’m looking at them both based on what I see from them as freshmen in college at least.
Edwards just isn't getting drafted in his current format. He's going to have to be a sophomore next year, but I bet it will be somewhere else. A lesser program near home is my guess.
I mean, there's always a chance he comes back. Because the only other option right now is to try his hand at another school.
I mean, there's always a chance he comes back. Because the only other option right now is to try his hand at another school.
Rocking the skinny-fat physique right now.
Yep. Hard to find examples of other coaches bringing guys who will be lottery picks off the bench. I don't know if there is another example! And I get starting DJ and Edwards for a time - but good grief, their stock has fallen as a direct result of their play and Dilly and Reed's stock has risen as a direct result of their play. Commentators don't even know what to do with it now while announcing the game. Weird stuff.
He's already 20 though. That's a problem.
Cal has created the culture that if you're ranked high and you don't go to the draft, you must have somehow "failed", and he immediately recruits over said player making things even worse. Cal does not feel his purpose is to build around guys coming back, his legacy is how many of his guys go onto pro ball. I think this year there HAS been a change in Cal, but I can't tell if he's letting Welch run things, or if he's just getting old.
I wonder if he's worried that over-working or hitting the weights will lead to injury and thus maybe not getting drafted. Seems counter-productive, but not everyone's perspectives are the same
He’s only been getting 16-19 minutes for awhile now tho. He’s seeing if he gets going first half, if not he sits him.
I can honestly see him return now but we need to support him. He can still be a good player at some point.
Maybe this will be a wake up call that he won’t coast to a pro deal. Maybe he will start working harder now.
He's a solid freshman college basketball player at this point. I'm not sure if he gets drafted high enough to go or not. I don't think the NBA drafts on performance as much as potential.
I am fairly certain that if he can't go to the NBA, he's going somewhere else after this season to get the development he needs.
I am fairly certain that if he can't go to the NBA, he's going somewhere else after this season to get the development he needs.
His NIL exceeds $400,000. Not bad for a guy struggling on the court. He makes what I make in about 5 years, and I have a grad degree and over 10 years experience in my field.
If he came back, he still could be a lottery pick, but I think he pushes through. The pressure will be enormous to get drafted at the end of this year. Even so, a second year from this kid could extend his NBA playing career by a half-decade if he puts it all together.
Just toying with the thought for a moment..
G - Sheppard - Fland - Perry
G - Johnson - Fland - Perry - Hart
F - Edwards - Richmond - Thiero - Burks
F - Thiero - Big Z - Burks
C - Quaintance - Onyenso - Cyril
G - Sheppard - Fland - Perry
G - Johnson - Fland - Perry - Hart
F - Edwards - Richmond - Thiero - Burks
F - Thiero - Big Z - Burks
C - Quaintance - Onyenso - Cyril
Why? I hate how Edwards plays and gets to start even though he doesn't deserve it.
All the "wait and see" people were wrong, AS USUAL, and all the "Edwards shouldn't be starting and playing meaningful minutes" people were right, AS USUAL. So maybe all you "wait and see" people should shut up and listen next time smarter people try to educate you about basketball.
I'm not sure we're on the same page here. I said Edwards wasn't nearly as good as Tyty was, just made a comparison in their soft bodies and the fact that I think neither showed NBA ability in their freshman year.
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